The Forgotten Battles

[Aaron Kane 0]

Oh definently get Forgotten Battles. Forgotten Battles is like a sequel to the original IL2, except FB has EVERYTHING included from the original. So if you dont purchase the original IL2, you wont be missing out on anything, since FB has it all.

[theavonlady 2]

Thanks. That's the advise I've gotten from everyone so far.

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aaron Kane @ Mar. 13 2003,18:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Alright, I'm going to cry.  I just completed the Kuban campaign, which was a follow up from Stalingrad.  Now we are in... Bele-something, and its late 1943.  I was expecting to be upgraded to the FW190A5, but what aircraft do they give me?  The danged BF109G6... that thing is not fun at all...<span id='postcolor'>

Bah, and I still have the I-16 . Although I must say I like the model 24 much more than the model 18. Those Shvak 20mm's do a pretty good job at penetrating and igniting fuel tanks . 7 missions and haven't had an engine failure yet -  Had a couple of close calls, but as soon as I saw that RPM needle dropping I pulled some hard positive G's and problem solved . Looks like practice makes perfect.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I want a WWI flight sim.<span id='postcolor'>

Well, the I-153 Chaika was considered as the most advanced biplane fighter ever to be mass produced before the monoplanes really took over, you could fly that . Other than that, the Polish Pz 11 has that WWI feel, and soon we're getting a few different versions of the Gladiator.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (R. Gerschwarzenge @ Mar. 14 2003,02:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I want a WWI flight sim. <span id='postcolor'>

I belive that a WW1 mod is been made for Forgotten Battles.

IL-2 Centers WW1 project forum

You should be able to find out quite a bit about the WW1 project for IL2 here

[Aaron Kane 0]

I think I found a bug...

When flying a Messerschmit (sp?), and you set the prop pitch to 100%, your engine goes REALLY fast, then the sound cuts out, then your engine overheats and fails in seconds.  If you are unlucky, sometimes the plane just explodes in midair. Was this an occurance in reality, or just a little bug?

And I miss my FW190 damn it!  This BF109G6 sucks ass!  I've made like 5 kills in 10 missions!  

[zverushka 0]

Well, I bought myself a joystick. Shld be coming any time now.

I tried the Il-2 demo with the keyboard. I actually shot two aircraft down with the keyboard (pe-2, BF-109),  ut it was VERY hard keeping on target. When I got close to these guys, I literally poured everything I had into them when the sights managed to cross the target, cannons, MGS, everything.

BTW.. W is for WEP (War Emergency Power). You use this when taking off with an IL-2, since its a flying brick. I swear, that thing weighs heavier than a tank. Max altitude I can get is around 700 meters. (although I have a keyboard, joystick may be different)

I think in real life the only airplane with WEP was the BF-109 or the FW-190, I forget which

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Aaron Kane @ Mar. 14 2003,00:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think I found a bug...

When flying a Messerschmit (sp?), and you set the prop pitch to 100%, your engine goes REALLY fast, then the sound cuts out, then your engine overheats and fails in seconds.  If you are unlucky, sometimes the plane just explodes in midair.  Was this an occurance in reality, or just a little bug?  <span id='postcolor'>

You're doing something that burns out the engine, that's for sure. I would bet it isn't a bug. See if the pdf manual says anything about engine management of your plane. I've seen quite a few posts in the IL-2 forums of people enabling high altitude engine boost systems at low altitude and then wondering why their engine goes boom for seemingly no reasons. Also, try and watch your instruments when this happens - oil temperature, coolant temperature, RPM - Yes, those are actually there for a reason, you speedbar -spoiled lazy pilot!

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think in real life the only airplane with WEP was the BF-109 or the FW-190, I forget which<span id='postcolor'>

Lots of planes have engine boost systems. They just use very different designs. In FB the WEP feature is enabled for planes that had Nitro injection (like some 109's/190's) or Water injected engine cooling like the P-47. Other planes can simply overdrive the engine to 110% thrust for a short while.

[Aaron Kane 0]

Bah... Tovarish, I've been flying under full real for a few days now (no speed bar or crap like that )

Let me go into detail about what happens...

Alright, I'm at 1000 feet... or meters, whatever, just cruising along at 300 knots.  I have the prop pitch set to default, meaning I havent messed with it yet.  The throttle is at maybe 80%.

Now I enable 100% prop pitch.  Right away, the engine sound's pitch goes off the charts.  It just gets higher and higher, until you cant hear it anymore.  I get the message "Engine overheating!" or something, but on my actual instrument panel my engine temperature is well within the normal range.  This is what I find so strange...

The plane I'm flying is a BF109G6.  It doesnt have any fancy boost system, and it can engage its engine at 110% power for short times, but not without overheating the engine.  I've also had this "bug" occur with the BF109K4 and the FW190D9.  The BF109K4 has that MW50 system, so it should be able to get a boost at any altitude.

Just try that Tovarish.  Take a BF109G6, and set prop pitch to 100%, and engine power to maybe 80 to 100%.  See if anything happens for you, perhaps by actually seeing what happens you can understand better than me trying to describe it.  Because after reading what I've wrote, it sounds pretty confusing

[Tovarish 0]

Believe me, if this was a bug, the Luftwaffe fans would be screaming bloody murder over at the Il-2 forums. They do so at any sign of undermodelling. You should ask there and see what answers you come up with. I'm just a VVS pilot . (And I can't try it  right now because it looks like I'm stuck at college till late tonight/(early tomorrow)? )

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Alright, I'm at 1000 feet... or meters, whatever, just cruising along at 300 knots.<span id='postcolor'>

I figure this will help you at some point if you are playing with no speedbar.

Altitude/Airspeed gagues in German and Russian aircraft are in meters and km/h.

British and American aircraft are in feet and knots.

[Warin 0]

What I wouldnt give to be able to afford this!

Can you imagine how imensely cool it would be to own the decorations of a real Hero of the Soviet Union??

[Tovarish 0]

If you ask me, it's immensely sad that awards such as those are being sold off.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Mar. 14 2003,04:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you ask me, it's immensely sad that awards such as those are being sold off.<span id='postcolor'>

Hum.

I think that depends. If the recipient is still alive, i totally agree with you. But if he has passed on and has no family, then wouldnt it be better for this sort of thing to go to a collector who will preserve it rather than ending up in a box somewhere to rot away?

[Tovarish 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Warin @ Mar. 14 2003,04:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that depends.  If the recipient is still alive, i totally agree with you.  But if he has passed on and has no family, then wouldnt it be better for this sort of thing to go to a collector who will preserve it rather than ending up in a box somewhere to rot away?<span id='postcolor'>

You have a point, but I don't think I'd ever buy something like it. (not that I'd be able to afford it anytime soon:P ) To most people to this day in Russia, a WW2 decoration, especially the Gold Star is still something sacred, and with good reason I think. A lot of people did loose entire families, and if indeed there was no one to pass it down to, yes your point is valid. However I have a feeling that's not the case with most of them, and in my opinion, I get a feeling that for any family members of a recipient of the Gold Star to sell it off they must be a) greedy in the extreeme. b) In a very sorry financial state. That's what I find sad.

[Hit_Sqd_Maximus 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hit_Sqd_Maximus @ Mar. 11 2003,05:28)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Can you fly with a joystick? My joystick is broken and I dont want to use a keyboard to fly with  <span id='postcolor'>

oh shit, I should have read what I asked.

I meant can I fly w/ a Mouse. my joystick wont work w/ XP and I dont like flying w/ keyboards.

[Warin 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tovarish @ Mar. 14 2003,05:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">However I have a feeling that's not the case with most of them, and in my opinion, I get a feeling that for any family members of a recipient of the Gold Star to sell it off they must be a) greedy in the extreeme. b) In a very sorry financial state. That's what I find sad.<span id='postcolor'>

I am going to be in 100% agreement with you here on point A. If a family sells something like that out of greed, then it is a disrespectful action! If my grandfather had been a Hero of The Soviet Union, and a greedy relative sold that sort of thing, I am afraid there would be homicide.

I do think the price of these sorts of things will keep them out of the hands of the casual collector who will not show due respect to the items. There are a few things on the web site that I could afford, and to be honest, I think owning a tangible piece of something like that is a very attractive hing.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Well, the Crimean peninsula has been secured, and we are now pushing down the Kuban coast, through the lowlands south of the Caucasus. I Got promoted to Oberst, was awarded the Knight's Cross plus Oak Leaves at a later date, and have scored 88 kills through 39 missions. We're starting to see alot of Lend-Lease aircraft, notably P40s and P39s, which is worrisome. They're faster, tougher, and better armed than the standard Migs, Yaks, and I16s, which is bad news for my wingmen. God bless 'em, they just aren't that good, and the ones that are good have a habit of making ace and then getting killed, and that's against the standard Soviet aircraft. We've had good success against the P39, but we've also had an increase in losses, which we can't sustain and still be effective in the escort/pursuit role.

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Mar. 14 2003,01:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (R. Gerschwarzenge @ Mar. 14 2003,02:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I want a WWI flight sim. <span id='postcolor'>

I belive that a WW1 mod is been made for Forgotten Battles.

IL-2 Centers WW1 project forum

You should be able to find out quite a bit about the WW1 project for IL2 here <span id='postcolor'>

Woohoooo!!! Weeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Thank you!

[theavonlady 2]

Anyone know if there's a way to use the mouse movement instead of the arrow keys to control the plane and the arrow keys instead of the mouse to look around?

BTW, in the first USSR IL2 demo mission, I switched over to the gunner's seat and left the plane in autopilot.

When the plane was over the target, bombs started dropped ad infinitum. Most amazing to watch 100s of bombs being dropped from such a skinny little plane. Too bad there were only 2 flyovers.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

you had infinite ammo on, didn't you? Cheater

Yes, it would seem that the pickle function on most bombers never made it to the Eastern Front (or at least it never found its way into Il-2). Go figure.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 14 2003,18:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you had infinite ammo on, didn't you? Cheater <span id='postcolor'>

She might have been using one of the bomb dispensing systems for the IL-2 on the other hand. Their is some anti-armour system or something that has 96 bomblets.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Mar. 14 2003,11:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 14 2003,18:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you had infinite ammo on, didn't you? Cheater <span id='postcolor'>

She might have been using one of the bomb dispensing systems for the IL-2 on the other hand. Their is some anti-armour system or something that has 96 bomblets.<span id='postcolor'>

The cassette? True, that is a bit of a cluster type munition. But since she said ad infinitum, I figured she meant for a loooooooooong time.

[theavonlady 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Mar. 14 2003,12:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The cassette? True, that is a bit of a cluster type munition. But since she said ad infinitum, I figured she meant for a loooooooooong time.<span id='postcolor'>

Bombs Away!

BTW, I ordered the game.

Wonder if they're looking for a FAQ writer.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 14 2003,19:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Bombs Away!<span id='postcolor'>

Ok so she did use infinite ammo. I was only making the point that there was a possibility, no matter how small, that she had use the cluster system cassete thining (Tovarish, this is where you turn up and tell a dimwitted know nothing New Zealander the names of VVS weapons systems used in the Great Patriotic War!. )

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (theavonlady @ Mar. 14 2003,19:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wonder if they're looking for a FAQ writer. <span id='postcolor'>

I don't really think so. IL2s justs not that kind of game in my opinion. IL2 is a WW2 Flight Sim up straight. OFP on the other hand is a Infantry simulation along with aarcade armoured and airborne elements (although add-ons are starting to crack down on this but we do need to see planes with more realistic moddeling, you can't chew up a A-10 with a .50cal MG!. OFP has so many elements and is so revolutionary, some people need to help to understand it all. On the other hand, there have been games along the lines of IL2 (meaning Flight Sims) for many years so there are not so many new and amazing things to learn.

And IL2 has toturials, so I think you can dedicate your time to flying rather than drawing up the most comprehensive FAQ on IL2 around so you can say 'search the OFP FAQ for...' to everybody on the IL2 forums

You know what, I think its late enough at night that I should stop making long complicated posts, they just end up like this

[Aaron Kane 0]

ALright, I found out what was going on with my plane's engines. Apparently, the BF109 series is equipped with a Variable Pitch Propellor. It says that the propellor automatically adjusts for any changes that should be made for the prop to work at maximum efficency.

However, it also states that you can manually set the prop pitch with this model. But it also gives a warning that doing so may result in the engine over-revving. So I assume thats what its been doing.