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Thousands of civilians fled to neighboring countries and they welcomed them with open arms)

So why is that that those same arms are now closed, and those civilians are coming here? And they often die trying.

Sorry for my rudeness, but you know, we have a slightly annoying situation here.

 

The discussion should be taken to another thread, by the way.

 

Edit: oh, and I forgot an important detail. Taking refugees, no way; but when it's about money to build mosques there are donors lining up out of the door.

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So why is that that those same arms are now closed, and those civilians are coming here? And they often die trying.

Sorry for my rudeness, but you know, we have a slightly annoying situation here.

 

The discussion should be taken to another thread, by the way.

 

Edit: oh, and I forgot an important detail. Taking refugees, no way; but when it's about money to build mosques there are donors lining up out of the door.

My apologies, It's a different situation in Europe rather than the Middle East in 1991. I'm remaining neutral on taking-refusing immigrants as I have no right to say anything about it.

It's okay, you didn't sound rude at all. I understand your situation and how it is annoying.

Yes the discussion should be taken somewhere else so il remain silent for now. Sorry for going a little bit off-topic.

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I'm remaining neutral on taking-refusing immigrants as I have no right to say anything about it.

but you have the right to say something about people being mad at Muslims. I'm sorry, but this is not fair.

 

Yes the discussion should be taken somewhere else so il remain silent for now.

fair enough. But don't forget that the story has many sides, and you can't just pick one.

You were wondering why most (where did you get this "most" by the way?) Europeans hate Islam. I gave you a small hint.

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but you have the right to say something about people being mad at Muslims. I'm sorry, but this is not fair.

 

fair enough. But don't forget that the story has many sides, and you can't just pick one.

You were wondering why most (where did you get this "most" by the way?) Europeans hate Islam. I gave you a small hint.

Hello

Yes I know but sometimes I go way too over board and end up causing quite a bit of scene when this happens, So I just sometimes remain quiet or furtherly not reply to a convo to avoid having everyone angry and or attracting moderation to the scene which will go very bad for the thread creator.

The "Most" part may have been worded incorrectly by me as I mean when i usually view comments on controversial topics like these in news sites about terrorists. Most of them are full on hating and started scenes in which it ends up with a couple of guys defending and a couple of guys hating.

Cheers dontKnowHow and have a good day!

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Then resist! Vote for AfD! Spread nationalism! (NOT nazism!) Condemn liberalism and multikulti! Show no tolerance for Islam! Acknowledge that eastern "barbarian" countries, like hungary, slovakia are right, and suport them! 

 

Western europe is in the 24th hour, but its still not late! Drive back the islamic invaders!

 

Why's it gotta be one extreme end of the spectrum or another?

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Also your literally telling me to not come to europe? Whats your business? I want to come to europe cause i like the country. I like the green grasses and i wish to live there instead of the desert. I dont care what you say you arent going to change my dreams.

Dreams? Wow

No, he only mentioned some places in Europe, not the whole of it.

It's okay, you can come to Europe, don't worry. These people are just not used to immigration.

 

But mind you: if you come just for the green grass you might be quite disappointed. There are a lot of things in life besides the green grass, and judging from what you write you might not like them. So maybe in that case you should reconsider your dreams.

People just tend to have the wrong expectations sometimes.

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People just tend to have the wrong expectations sometimes.

 

Good point. Western Europe is a good place to migrate to:

 

1. For highly qualified people or people who can fill certain niche jobs. (Geriatric nurses in Germany for example.)

2. People who can deal with our set of beliefs and way of life. Freedom of speech and religion for example seems to be a conflicting value for certain religious or otherwise extremistic people. When it comes down to Islamic immigrants in particular, things like the Mohammed cartoons or satire about Islam (and other religions) might offend some. These people don't have to like that but they have to accept the fact that this is protected by freedom of speech. Or, pardon my harsh words, they can go fuck right off because they are definitely wrong here.

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Dreams? Wow

No, he only mentioned some places in Europe, not the whole of it.

It's okay, you can come to Europe, don't worry. These people are just not used to immigration.

 

But mind you: if you come just for the green grass you might be quite disappointed. There are a lot of things in life besides the green grass, and judging from what you write you might not like them. So maybe in that case you should reconsider your dreams.

People just tend to have the wrong expectations sometimes.

Hello

Actually yes it's my dreams since I was a toddler, I always wanted a place that isn't filled with sand and I like the UK not only for green grass but for everything else, I plan to become a veterinary once I finish school and go to britain to help animals since the sunny weather and also the snow is pretty cool for me while in Kuwait you just get burning hot weather. Not really my big dreams just my goals (Apparently I should have worded it better, my apologies) I'm pretty bad at using proper english words and only know how to spell really good since in my british school they crack down on english quite good. My actual dream is being a veterinary, helping animals and living a peaceful life in Britian.

And people not being used to immigration I agree but the plain attitude of Vilas (Even since 2015 while reading the European migrant crisis) is pretty disheartening (I know the world isn't full of rainbows but it's quite depressing that people are still like this) My mom is Christian and my dad is Muslim, they don't hate each other at all and never once in my life have I heard anyone in my country insulting Christians. Heck my school is filled with British Christians and they are not being treated bad.

Cheers DontKnowHow and have a splendid day!

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Good point. Western Europe is a good place to migrate to:

 

1. For highly qualified people or people who can fill certain niche jobs. (Geriatric nurses in Germany for example.)

2. People who can deal with our set of beliefs and way of life. Freedom of speech and religion for example seems to be a conflicting value for certain religious or otherwise extremistic people. When it comes down to Islamic immigrants in particular, things like the Mohammed cartoons or satire about Islam (and other religions) might offend some. These people don't have to like that but they have to accept the fact that this is protected by freedom of speech. Or, pardon my harsh words, they can go fuck right off because they are definitely wrong here.

Hello

I actually will partake as a veterinary in the UK since I speak english very well and stuff. And I usually don't speak in a arabic accent and have a fair british accent for some reason. (I know you aren't replying to me but I thought il just share my intentions)

I really don't care if they insult other religions in TV, I may be quite disappointed and switch to another channel but I won't go outside and start protesting and cause mayhem. Freedom of speech is okay with me and I accept the fact that I can't do anything to remove it (Nor do I want to) and all I can do is change the channel and or just stay disappointed for 3 seconds then done I'm going to move on my daily life.

I mean if someone sees their country/religion being insulted some might be disappointed and just continue on, some may get really pissed in which I agree they just have to leave. And some may just laugh along and of course there would be that one person who don't really care.

Cheers Pete and have a nice day!

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Hello

I actually will partake as a veterinary in the UK since I speak english very well and stuff. And I usually don't speak in a arabic accent and have a fair british accent for some reason. (I know you aren't replying to me but I thought il just share my intentions)

I really don't care if they insult other religions in TV, I may be quite disappointed and switch to another channel but I won't go outside and start protesting and cause mayhem. Freedom of speech is okay with me and I accept the fact that I can't do anything to remove it (Nor do I want to) and all I can do is change the channel and or just stay disappointed for 3 seconds then done I'm going to move on my daily life.

I mean if someone sees their country/religion being insulted some might be disappointed and just continue on, some may get really pissed in which I agree they just have to leave. And some may just laugh along and of course there would be that one person who don't really care.

Cheers Pete and have a nice day!

 

I don't think anyone in their right mind would care if a foreigner has an accent.^^

 

I was more referring to satire programmes which tend to mock different religious beliefs but usually refrain from outright insulting someone's faith. And it's of course also fair use of freedom of speech to criticise this satire. I don't mind anyone coming here really, quite the contrary, as long as the existing law is followed.

 

Good luck on your veterinary thing!

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I don't think anyone in their right mind would care if a foreigner has an accent.^^

 

I was more referring to satire programmes which tend to mock different religious beliefs but usually refrain from outright insulting someone's faith. And it's of course also fair use of freedom of speech to criticise this satire. I don't mind anyone coming here really, quite the contrary, as long as the existing law is followed.

 

Good luck on your veterinary thing!

+1 to this

 

Also, UK weather is REALLY weird compared to elsewhere. We had a soaking summer but we've got a roastingly hot September!

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I don't think anyone in their right mind would care if a foreigner has an accent.^^

 

I was more referring to satire programmes which tend to mock different religious beliefs but usually refrain from outright insulting someone's faith. And it's of course also fair use of freedom of speech to criticise this satire. I don't mind anyone coming here really, quite the contrary, as long as the existing law is followed.

 

Good luck on your veterinary thing!

Ahh that's nice to hear, Apparently some people care about the accents and would usually stereotype them.

Ah yes Satire programmes, to be honest I never watched TV for years and solely rely on my Laptop and youtube for some funny videos. I don't really like/hate satire programmes as long as they make people happy then I'm fine with it :) The TV in the living room is just for news watching for my parents.

Thanks about that! To be honest there is a long way to go especially since I'm in grade eight now and I think 10 years before I ever get to graduate, May actually go to britain for university. But I'm going off topic now I guess.

Cheers Pete and have a splendid day!

+1 to this

 

Also, UK weather is REALLY weird compared to elsewhere. We had a soaking summer but we've got a roastingly hot September!

Soaking summer? I thought I escaped the boiling hot Middle East! but the snow should make up for it even though it's freezing il play with snow until I die of hypothermia or starvation. :P

Oh and I forgot to mention good internet, finally out with the damn 100-200 MS with my router (And pretty much 2% PC gamers)

But again I'm going a little bit off-topic.

Cheers Dan and have a splendid day!

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Or, pardon my harsh words, they can go fuck right off because they are definitely wrong here.

way to go Pete.

Pete for president

 

And people not being used to immigration I agree but the plain attitude of Vilas (Even since 2015 while reading the European migrant crisis) is pretty disheartening

his points are "slightly" overstated and generalized, but I personally don't consider all of them bad at the core. To a point he's right.

 

I really don't care if they insult other religions in TV, I may be quite disappointed and switch to another channel but I won't go outside and start protesting and cause mayhem. Freedom of speech is okay with me and I accept the fact that I can't do anything to remove it (Nor do I want to) and all I can do is change the channel and or just stay disappointed for 3 seconds then done I'm going to move on my daily life.

It's not just that. It's daily life, not just TV. It's about homosexuals going around on the street, about pornography being accessible, about the (almost total) lack of censorship, about a lot of things. Including the weather.

You really should consider the case that you might be disappointed. You wouldn't be the first one.

Honestly, moving somewhere just for the green grass doesn't strike me as a wise idea.

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way to go Pete.Pete for president his points are "slightly" overstated and generalized, but I personally don't consider all of them bad at the core. To a point he's right. It's not just that. It's daily life, not just TV. It's about homosexuals going around on the street, about pornography being accessible, about the (almost total) lack of censorship, about a lot of things. Including the weather.You really should consider the case that you might be disappointed. You wouldn't be the first one.Honestly, moving somewhere just for the green grass doesn't strike me as a wise idea.

Hello

I actually don't really mind what he said as I know he is angry from this situation but at least showing respect would suffice. And I was just saying my opinion and left the discussion until he suddenly attacked me. I'm not agreeing on his post due to his aggressive tone and how he doesn't realise ISIS is not a true Muslim for bombing Mecca (Who in the right mind calls themself "Muslim/Christian/Jew" then proceeds to bomb Mecca?) and I respect your opinion.

I agree about the lack of censorship and I'm not complaining about censored porn sites on my country (I mean why would I even search for it) and I'm not coming to britain only for the green grass, I worded it wrong, I'm coming there so I can be a veterinary and live somewhere that the majority speaks english. I speak very bad arabic actually and read only transliterations instead of full blown arabic. I did considered the weather actually and I like it, even if it gets too hot. Pretty much me being a veterinary there is perfect cause of different animals I can help and rescue while in Kuwait only cats and dogs are seen frequently, Camels are far away though.

Cheers DontKnowHow and have a splendid day!

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ISIS is not a true Muslim

This is when I start to support vilas.

They might not be Muslim according to your standard, but they praise Allah and the Quran (even if maybe they didn't read it), they go to the Mosque, they do the Ramadan, and some other stuff. More than enough for me to call them Muslims. They are not less Muslims than the kinder raping motherfuckers priests are Catholics.

Get real: many Muslims hate us, a good part wants us dead, and some are happy to kill us.

 

And if you get a decent news source saying the ISIS bombed Mecca I'll be happy to read it. From what I know there was an explosion in Medina, close to a Shia mosque

 

why would I even search for it

I read this question and I think that you definitely shouldn't come

 

I'm not coming to britain only for the green grass

After basically saying the opposite in at least 2 posts this statement doesn't bear a lot of credibility

 

even if it gets too hot

too hot? Are we talking about the same place?

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This is when I start to support vilas.

They might not be Muslim according to your standard, but they praise Allah and the Quran (even if maybe they didn't read it), they go to the Mosque, they do the Ramadan, and some other stuff. More than enough for me to call them Muslims. They are not less Muslims than the kinder raping motherfuckers priests are Catholics.

Get real: many Muslims hate us, a good part wants us dead, and some are happy to kill us.

And if you get a decent news source saying the ISIS bombed Mecca I'll be happy to read it. From what I know there was an explosion in Medina, close to a Shia mosque

I read this question and I think that you definitely shouldn't come

After basically saying the opposite in at least 2 posts this statement doesn't bear a lot of credibility

too hot? Are we talking about the same place?

1. Alright then, They are not Muslims according to many other people I have spoke with and I know most people don't even consider them Muslims due to the acts they have done and murdering many innocent people. They do Ramadan but they kill people, They go to the mosque but they explode it? They praise Allah then destroy a mosque?

And if your saying many Muslims want you guys dead it's the same from other religions (Don't get me wrong I don't want you guys dead nor am I supporting those morons who do so)

2. Yeah I shouldn't have come here, I'm serious I shoudlnt, It's not my business and I'm only making more people angry and agitated. Besides what's the problem saying "Why would I search for it?" I'm not doing anything wrong to Britan.

3. Your right on this one but it still doesn't change the fact they bombed the holy city of Medina and even if you all consider them Muslims I don't believe they deserve the right to call the selfs one.

4. If you say so, I Just made a mistake I know it didn't change any credibility but give me a break I don't want to start another scene.

5. Yeah were talking about the same place, In britain it gets hot too and In kuwait it gets hot too. (Il probably just go to Dubai or stay here seeing how everyone just hate immigrants)

Infact il just leave already, I'm sorry for bothering you and vilas as I just wanted to say my opinion then leave but I didn't know this will continue. I respect your opinions and thank you for voicing it out. I wished I hadn't posted that comment as it became too controversial and I don't want it to escalate into a flame war. I don't like starting stuff like this, maybe I should mind my own business and not go to the off topic section since it's not my right to speak about immigration/Muslim hatred since I'm not a citizen of Europe being affected by it.

If there was a way to delete my comment and forget everything about this then i would have done it long ago.

I honestly thought this was a place we could have an actual friendly argument but it seems like it's impossible (For me)

I hope you have a great day!

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1. Alright then, They are not Muslims according to many other people I have spoke with and I know most people don't even consider them Muslims due to the acts they have done and murdering many innocent people. They do Ramadan but they kill people, They go to the mosque but they explode it? They praise Allah then destroy a mosque?

Shia mosques

It's funny, because they are Muslims according to many other people I spoke with :-)

 

2. Yeah I shouldn't have come here, I'm serious I shoudlnt, It's not my business and I'm only making more people angry and agitated. Besides what's the problem saying "Why would I search for it?" I'm not doing anything wrong to Britan.

by "here" I mean Europe. No, you are not doing anything wrong, but you prove to have quite a different mindset. What makes you think you are doing something wrong?

Don't think that I want to threaten you or something. Come if you want, I'm just trying to make it clear that you might have unexpected cultural shocks. You said you have this dream and, well, there have been quite a few people hurt by a reality check.

 

3. Your right on this one but it still doesn't change the fact they bombed the holy city of Medina and even if you all consider them Muslims I don't believe they deserve the right to call the selfs one.

If I understand correctly in Medina they were also attacking a Shia mosque, and it's not sure it was them

 

Infact il just leave already, I'm sorry for bothering you and vilas as I just wanted to say my opinion then leave but I didn't know this will continue. I respect your opinions and thank you for voicing it out. I wished I hadn't posted that comment as it became too controversial and I don't want it to escalate into a flame war. I don't like starting stuff like this, maybe I should mind my own business and not go to the off topic section since it's not my right to speak about immigration/Muslim hatred since I'm not a citizen of Europe being affected by it.

If there was a way to delete my comment and forget everything about this then i would have done it long ago.

I honestly thought this was a place we could have an actual friendly argument but it seems like it's impossible (For me)

I honestly don't think I'm being particularly rude. But I do stand firmly by my position, and I don't really appreciate the way things are going now in regard to the whole story.

I appreciate the fact that your feelings might be hurt, but I have to repeat my answer that vilas has a couple of good points. Don't expect me to just say "you are right".

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Shia mosques

It's funny, because they are Muslims according to many other people I spoke with :-)

 

by "here" I mean Europe. No, you are not doing anything wrong, but you prove to have quite a different mindset. What makes you think you are doing something wrong?

Don't think that I want to threaten you or something. Come if you want, I'm just trying to make it clear that you might have unexpected cultural shocks. You said you have this dream and, well, there have been quite a few people hurt by a reality check.

 

If I understand correctly in Medina they were also attacking a Shia mosque, and it's not sure it was them

 

I honestly don't think I'm being particularly rude. But I do stand firmly by my position, and I don't really appreciate the way things are going now in regard to the whole story.

I appreciate the fact that your feelings might be hurt, but I have to repeat my answer that vilas has a couple of good points. Don't expect me to just say "you are right".

Hello

I never said you were rude, I understand and I never ever expected a answer like "You are right" immediately. You may stand firmly by your position and I have zero problems with that, It's freedom of speech your entitled on your own opinion. Infact I consider you as a good guy cause you can put up good arguments and such and aren't shouting out pure hatred. My only reason why my feelings was hurt is the sudden aggression as I spent much time in this forums and notice so many good people, that I was confident that there actually could be a friendly argument. Like a good argument is like this:

"I don't like immigrants" says person one

"I don't agree but I respect your opinion but here is my thought (Insert points)" says person two

"I respect your opinion but here is why I don't agree with yours (insert points)" says person one

That's the argument I expected, but I was wrong. I shouldn't have been naive.

They did attack a Shia mosque but the fact that they attacked medina sparked quite a number of hatred against them (I saw this in a lot of posts on on youtube)

Ah they may be Muslims together with your other guys thoughts but I stand by my word and I wont accept them as a Muslim, Il always treat those terrorists and people who want Christians killed as terrorists and hypocrites.

I don't also know why I'm thinking about immigrating to another country if I haven't finished school. Education apparently is more important than me planning out stuff in 10 years (or worse/good, earlier) i haven't felt threatened but I had to reconsider my thought when you said about stuff like that (which is quite good that I know what to expect)

I hope you have a great day!

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"I don't like immigrants" says person one

"I don't agree but I respect your opinion but here is my thought (Insert points)" says person two

"I respect your opinion but here is why I don't agree with yours (insert points)" says person one

That's the argument I expected, but I was wrong. I shouldn't have been naive.

 

 

That's not how the internet works. ;)

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My only reason why my feelings was hurt is the sudden aggression

There are a couple of people like this here. Don't pay so much attention to it. If anything, you got part of your answer.

 

Education apparently is more important than me planning out stuff in 10 years

uhmmmm.... I thought it would be less. You might be much younger than I was thinking.

Well, you are not doing bad. Maybe I should use different arguments though.

 

That's not how the internet works. ;)

unfortunately that is correct. That's not how human nature works, and on the internet things go wilder than usual.

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That's not how the internet works. ;)

Huh, I guess I thought wrong. Would be actually cool if the internet worked like that tbh ;) thanks for informing me!

There are a couple of people like this here. Don't pay so much attention to it. If anything, you got part of your answer.

 

uhmmmm.... I thought it would be less. You might be much younger than I was thinking.

Well, you are not doing bad. Maybe I should use different arguments though.

 

unfortunately that is correct. That's not how human nature works, and on the internet things go wilder than usual.

1. Yeah I haven't actually read the past pages after I posted that comment, I discovered that shortly after ending the European migrant crisis that there were quite a bit of people like this. I got my answer and I am happy :)

2. I'm actually quite young for an arma player , I got onto Arma shortly after being bored from fast paced games and decided to buy Arma 2 (First from DayZ until I played the campaign) 1 year ago then shortly after arma (for altis life then I realized my big mistake and jumped away very fast) but that's irrelevant I guess. I wouldn't post my age here. (Even though I have it on my profile) cause I would expect a large backlash especially in the off topic threads (I think this section is very interesting to be honest) while the Arma section is pretty laid back and friendly.

3. I guess that's true. Shame it doesn't work like that sadly.

I hope you have a good day Pete/DontKnowHow!

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Even though I have it on my profile

Holy cow. Is that your age? Damn, I should have paid attention. It's hard to gauge someone's age on the internet, but I definitely didn't expect you to be so young. I am starting to regret the things I said.

You know what? I take it back. Not because I don't believe it, but because it's fair that you make up your mind; I said those things thinking that you were knowing more of your own side. For the little I know of your part of the world there are things concerning this specific topic that you might learn in the coming years. Just remember me when you are about to start your vet study :-)

 

Keep your dreams, kid, you are welcome to come to Europe when you want.

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Holy cow. Is that your age? Damn, I should have paid attention. It's hard to gauge someone's age on the internet, but I definitely didn't expect you to be so young. I am starting to regret the things I said.

You know what? I take it back. Not because I don't believe it, but because it's fair that you make up your mind; I said those things thinking that you were knowing more of your own side. For the little I know of your part of the world there are things concerning this specific topic that you might learn in the coming years. Just remember me when you are about to start your vet study :-)

 

Keep your dreams, kid, you are welcome to come to Europe when you want.

Hello

Haha yeah that's my age :D It's definitely hard to gauge someone's age especially if they are in an 18+ game (I couldn't turn down the offer, I love this game so much!) Don't regret the stuff you said man, I hear them every day at school (FYI my class swore at grade one and swears right now at least 20+ times a day) so I'm used to them and I'm not really offended at those stuff since this is just a couple of words no biggie! I'm also really sensitive so pardon me if I came off quite weird.

I wasn't really biased on my side since my parents is Muslim (Dad) and Christian (Mom) I have a big interest in wars and history (Especially WW2) and the current situation in the Middle East saddens me but it's also interesting for me to research (my KSS teacher doesn't give a damn about the conflict and speaks about historical stuff, I just want WW2 education!) School is closing in which means I will definitely encounter all these stuff Immigration crisis, The crusade war thing, WW2-1 which I hope to learn and of course world politics! The info gathered in this thread and other threads is so helpful but when I replied to this thread I couldn't resist apparently typing out the words.

Il remember you and everyone during my graduation/Vet study since the Arma community itself is one of my favorite game of all time that I'm not scared to share my age like other forums are! :)

Thanks for the welcome :) Europe and Dubai seems like a tough choice but alas it's for me to think in the future!

Cheers DontKnowHow and have a splendid day!

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Are you sure you are not 22 instead of 12 ?  :P  

 

I never noticed a 12 year old discussing politics like you do.

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Are you sure you are not 22 instead of 12 ?  :P  

 

I never noticed a 12 year old discussing politics like you do.

Hello!

I'm actually 12 :D It's a weird age for someone to discuss politics (I'm very interested in politics and wars despite me occasionally screwing up with my arguments) And have wished to be at least tested with WW2 Exams for quite a long time and instead I get greeted by how people lived in the 1918s :P

I rarely comment on politics on other threads but at this thread I some how lost self control and smashed the keyboard and ended up making quite a lot of mistakes. I usually spend my day in the forums looking at the modelling section of arma and or watching videos but I ended up here somehow.

Cheers Oxmox and have a splendid day!

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