How to Stop or Alter course to Nuclear War

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

As the title suggests, though here's a bit more context. NATO and EU are set to merge as one, Russia wants to talk but no one listens, and media has been waging information war for the longest time, and it's nearly impossible to obtain reliable information on the actual situation. So, at the civilian level, how could we possible bring about an end to the dangerous rivalry between the Russia Federation and NATO? No one wants nuclear war, obviously, and it might sound far fetched at first, until you actually realize this is a very real threat to globe right now. It goes much deeper. Many of you know that it's not just nuclear war that's a result of NATO/Russian rivalry, but also Terrorism as a whole, due to proxy wars. How can we solve the root of the problem and curve the course to where our leaders of the EU and NATO are headed?

[nodunit 397]

To put it simply, we can't, and at the civilian level there are a lot of institutions attempting to lead us into an authoritarian future by way of policing eachother, things are going to get pretty bleak one way or another.

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

To put it simply, we can't, and at the civilian level there are a lot of institutions attempting to lead us into an authoritarian future by way of policing eachother, things are going to get pretty bleak one way or another.

But think about it. How to the institutions function? Don't they need people, numbers at the civilian level to cooperate with them? I'm not saying disorder is the best way, but rather order, against the current motion towards war. I'm confident that in some way, a large number of people getting their voices heard, would eventually force NATO and Russia to come up with a deal to prevent nuclear war, and in the longer run, finally end proxy wars that have been raging between the two for decades now, and ultimately, tackle the terror problem. As of right now, it's not even about terror, but influence, and conflicting views between NATO/Russia. It really should be something we attempt to avert, at a large civil level, because otherwise, it's a global catastrophe waiting to happen.

 

I would like to think that we, at least because a majority NATO nations (despite institutional oppression), being a Democracy, we should have the power to voice our concerns on a collective scale, and force the EU/NATO, to talk peacefully with Russia in order to create a better relationship. It's partly working in Syria right now, kinda, they're working together, but on all other fronts, it's a sand pillar.

[krzychuzokecia 700]

Dude, are you serious or is it some kind of political fiction, parallel universe thread?

[ProfTournesol 956]

I fail to see how EU and NATO could merge, unless the USA cross the ocean.

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

I fail to see how EU and NATO could merge, unless the USA cross the ocean.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/confirmed-nato-and-eu-will-meld-into-one-super-organization/5535508

 

Also no, i'm not in some kind of alternate Universe, and this isn't the past. Not sure if you've been paying attention, but lately, if you've seen how NATO and Russia are communicating, it's a surefire sign that the two could very well start a war, intentionally, or un-intentionally.

 

NATO has had this sort of, "we're doing nothing wrong stance", and i supposed it makes sense, they want to defend Europe right? But you look at it from the Russian perspective, it's not quite the brightest picture, given the fact that both side are practically in a strategic arms race at this very moment. I was thinking though, that NATO's actions against Russia might not be the most moderate response, at the very least, over exaggerated response to Russia and the Ukraine. I'm neither alone on this, as France, and Italy have both expressed concern that NATO and even the sanctions are taking it a bit rough on Russia. Germany also went 50/50 both expressing concern for NATO buildup, but at the same time is sending it's own forces East anyways. It's a bit of a mess that really should be re-calculated, in my opinion.

[eddo36 16]

Something to play around with if you want to know the effect of various nukes at your place.

[ProfTournesol 956]

http://www.globalresearch.ca/confirmed-nato-and-eu-will-meld-into-one-super-organization/5535508

 

Lol you should read that article carefully mate, the author is everything but a journalist ("Writer and director for The Duran. Living the dream in Moscow" lol), blatantly pro Putin, quoting Sputnik news...don't believe everything you read on the Internet, particularly when it's obvious propaganda.

[zooloo75 833]

Something to play around with if you want to know the effect of various nukes at your place.

 

That's reassuring.

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

Lol you should read that article carefully mate, the author is everything but a journalist ("Writer and director for The Duran. Living the dream in Moscow" lol), blatantly pro Putin, quoting Sputnik news...don't believe everything you read on the Internet, particularly when it's obvious propaganda.

Not saying it's a confirmed thing, but rather, it's possible, as there have been talks of the EU and NATO being more integral after Brexit. I try not to follow any article too closely, but that's not the point of this topic really.

 

Something to play around with if you want to know the effect of various nukes at your place.

 

Interesting. That's actually neat. It's better to prevent one than having to avoid from targeted zones for the next few decades depending on what type of bomb is used.

[krzychuzokecia 700]

OK, so you're serious about it. Then let me assure you that nobody will drop an A-bomb on your house. There's that thing called mutually assured destruction which prevents the doomsday scenario. Think of it as if two biker gangs where fighting in rural town for hookers and booze. They can burn the place to the ground easily but then they will lost all hookers and booze - kinda pointless and everybody understands it. It's a very simplistic explanation, but it works since 1946.

 

Now to comment on other points of your post. Firstly, there is no integration between NATO and EU because these two organisations are very different in their goals and spheres of activity. EU is a strong economic and political alliance, while NATO is purely defensive (and includes countries of various political systems/regimes), and pretty weak because it can't find it's purpose after fall of Soviet Union. Though, there are other spheres of globalization process that may bring EU and US together. But EU is actually opposed to that for various reasons.

 

You also wrote that Russia wants to talk but no one listens and that EU/NATO needs to talk peacefully with Russia. You fail to notice the fact that Russian invasion of Ukraine (right after citizens of Ukraine decided that they want to ally with EU/NATO) happened when US and EU were promoting a peaceful partnership with Russia. Russian leaders saw this as a sign of Western weakness and decided to pursuit their own goals which are often directly opposite to values of western democracies. However even this changed only a little. Germany still considers Russia as their most important partner and blocks severe sanctions proposed by other EU members. Only US sanctions have visible impact on Russian economy, but these strike mostly citizens - not politicians and biggest businesses. US co-operates with Russia even in Syria, where they have different allies - but this is a continuation of what actually started in 2002 (US used Russian airbases to deploy their forces to Afghanistan).

 

So what you're describing is actually false. The NATO warmongering is only part of internal propaganda aimed at Baltic states which feel that they are under constant threat from Russian Federation. Invasion of Ukraine showed that they may be right, but NATO is clearly falling apart and no Westerner will die for Estonians really. Afterall there is still a feeling hidden deep amon western nations that all Slavs are created equal and thus belong to one nation. This is wrong naturally, but it's not a place to discuss cultural misconceptions.

 

Sleep well then :)

[eddo36 16]

I highly suggest you read this book.

 

 

'You fail to read this book at your peril' - Admiral James G Stavridis, US Navy, former Supreme Allied Commander Europe.

 

Closely modelled on his NATO experience of war gaming future conflicts, 2017 War With Russia is a chilling account of where we are heading if we fail to recognise the threat posed by the Russian president.

 

Written by the recently retired Deputy Supreme Allied Commander Europe and endorsed by senior military figures, this book shows how war with Russia could erupt with the bloodiest and most appalling consequences if the necessary steps are not taken urgently.

 

President Putin said: 'We have all the reasons to believe that the policy of containment of Russia which was happening in the 18th, 19th and 20th century is still going on...' And 'If you press the spring, it will release at some point. Something you should remember.'

 

Like any 'strongman', the Russian president's reputation for strength is everything. Lose momentum, fail to give the people what they want and he fails. The President has already demonstrated that he has no intention of failing. He has already started a lethal dynamic which, unless checked right now, could see him invade the Baltic states.

 

Russia's invasion and seizure of Georgia in 2008 was our 'Rhineland moment'. We ignored the warning signs - as we did back in the 1930s - and we made it 'business as usual'.

 

Crimea in 2014 was the President's 'Sudetenland moment' and again he got away with it. Since 2014 Russia has invaded Ukraine. The Baltics could be next.

 

Our political leaders assume that nuclear deterrence will save us. General Sir Richard Shirreff shows us why this will not wash.