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@Chimere Waiting for NF-A12x25 to be released in 140 mm (NF-A14x25???) and hope they will be available in black as well. No point in buying 120 mm.

 

Also patiently waiting for something better than any Noctua and AiOs - IceGiant ProSiphon Elite.

Thick radiator, but no hoses, no pump, no water and thus 0 maintenance and failure is simply impossible.

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This is a prototype. Final version will be much slimmer. But it's the only picture I found, where you can see it mounted onto a motherboard + with installed GPU.

 

Will probably look like this in final version:

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It will be able to dissipate more than any Noctua. It's already a well known and demonstrated fact.

Only pure physics - no moving parts that have to pump/transport the liquid that can potentially fail.
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My only concern is that it has to be used vertically, for best result, which makes it mandatory to have your mainboard in horisontal position, so that the vapor can go up and the liquid can fall down.

 

But it's same technic that is common for literally any air cooler and despite having them all in horizontal position rather than in vertical, it still works just fine.

So only time and tests will tell.

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Wow interesting, looks amazing. I see my case would have to lay down on side with that IceGiant ProSiphon Elite, for best efficiency using gravity.

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17 minutes ago, Chimere said:

Wow interesting, looks amazing. I see my case would have to lay down on side with that IceGiant ProSiphon Elite, for best efficiency using gravity.

But like I said, I think it would work horizontally as well, since normal air coolers use same technic and their performance is not affected by the fact that they're mounted horizontally.

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Indeed - actually vapor is hot and light so goes up (to the end of pipe) on its own

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@Chimere

The company has now to find the golden middle, between radiator thickness and fins density.

Thicker = lower fins density possible

Thinner = higher fins density, to keep same cooling capacity as a thicker raditor with lower fins density

Lower fins density = lower air pressure needed, lower fans rpms and lower noise.

Higher fins density = higher air pressure needed, higher fans rpms and higher noise.

 

Weight has also to be considered, if it's gonna be used horizontally. Great stress for mainboard PCB.

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Hmm release 2020 summer, presale $120, amazing. Also it managed to cool down OCed 800W TR 3990X (passed prime95 stress tests) and beated all best AIOs, wow. Heh i dunno how i could forgot on that, i have set it up notification in calendar to check it in summer 😄

 

Also that dielectric fluid is rated for 1000W chip before it might dry-out, nice!

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10 minutes ago, Chimere said:

Hmm release 2020 summer, presale $120, amazing. Also it managed to cool down OCed 800W TR 3990X (passed prime95 stress tests) and beated all best AIOs, wow. Heh i dunno how i could forgot on that, i have set it up notification in calendar to check it in summer 😄

But don't foget that it was the thicker initial version of it + Threadripper have much much larger IHS to spread and transfer the heat than mainstream Intel or AMD CPUs.

 

Also what differentiate them from regular air coolers is that the liquid can evaporate/dry out over time at high temps/loads.

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3 minutes ago, Groove_C said:

But don't foget that it was the thicker initial version of it + Threadripper have much much larger IHS to spread and transfer the heat than mainstream Intel or AMD CPUs.

 

I know, https://www.icegiantcooling.com/prosiphonelite

 

Material aluminium, good buy liquid metals with Gallium.

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13 minutes ago, Chimere said:

Material aluminium, good buy liquid metals with Gallium.

Final product will have copper contact plate.

Fins wiil most probably be aluminum, for cost reasons.

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@Chimere take your time and listen to this. Very interesting.

Talking about difference vs. regular air coolers technic and also about copper base plate.

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yeah saw that vid before, but i lost word about copper and didnt see it on website, but she actually does said that. Also i already mentioned that pros of liquid inside in comment before - tested and rated for 1000W chips before dry-out, so it completely beats heatsinks.

 

Also i really like how its gonna be there more space inside case around socket, when i was upgrading case fans last week i had to take off CPU cooler, cause some smart ASUS designer put fan pins around / under CPU socket 😄

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@Chimere In the video they were talking about 30 mm radiator instead of 100 mm prototype, but in final version the radiator will be 50 mm thick.

 

Actually 50 mm radiator thickness is exactly same thickness as one of two NH-D15 rads, just that it's not one behind the other, but both conncted together, forming 1 long radiator.

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So the "only" difference vs. Noctua NH-D15 will be fins density and the liquid used, provided you use Noctua fans on it as well, which is what I would do 100%.

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Im watching that video for the 3rd time right now, more i see it, more i love it.

 

So far there are confirmed 3 products, the elite which is on website, 50mm thick all aluminium or with copper plate and 30mm more quiet version with also copper plate.

 

Also is really nice dimm clearence of 52mm, my RAMs have 44mm height so nice reserve, now my noctua sits on them and touching them, heh.

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@Chimere my NH-D15S isn't touching anything because of cutouts 😏

And there is even some space left 🙂

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2 minutes ago, Groove_C said:

@Chimere my NH-D15S isn't touching anything because of cutouts 😏

And there is even some space left 🙂

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Envy! NH-D14 has dimm clearance of 44mm and thats exacly my RAMs

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13 hours ago, Tankbuster said:

AIO coolers are very popular and the problems you report are not common.

Problems with AiOs are not common, but still very possible, as you can see. 3x RMA for one and same person.

Air coolers simply can't have any problems, since no pump to fail, no hoses to come loose, no possibility of sediment or algea build up, despite biocides and no galvanic corrosion (aluminum in reaction with copper), despite special additives.

 

13 hours ago, Tankbuster said:

I don't understand why pump noise on idle is an issue? If the system is idling, presumably there's no one at the PC to hear it.

I never hear the pump, or any other part of the cooler on my Corsair.

Well it's a well known problem, depending on how many poles pump motor has and if the axle is ceramic or steel.

Even regular fans can exhibit noise and vibrations, at very low rpms right from the start or can develope such problems over time, depending on their price.

It's "solved" by software not allowing them to run lower than N rpms to avoid this.

 

13 hours ago, Tankbuster said:

I've not had an aircooler in some time, but I do remember the Noctua fans I had then being quite noisy, much more than the AIO system that replaced it.

Like you admit it, it's been quite some time ago you've owned an air cooler last time.

1. You simply can't remember it. And even if you do -> see points below.

2. You don't know/mention what was the speed of the fans on your old air cooler, which you also could have additionally adjusted in the BIOS to be dead silent.

3. You don't mention the speed of the fans of your current AiO as well.

4. One should always compare side by side, to not rely solely on memory and also at same rpms for both, you current AiO fans and those of your old air cooler.

This way you could say, that your old Noctua fans at like 1200 rpms make more noise than new Corsair fans at same 1200 rpms.

 

And even then, you're comparing old tech to newest tech, which is ok, but doesn't reflect the current state of air vs. water.

 

Just FYI, Noctua still has the best fans (lowest noise at same rpms and highest air pressure at same rpms), if you compare latest Noctua fans latest fans of other brands, no metter whether used on air cooler radiator, on water cooler radiator or in PC case.

Corsair fans are good as well, but not nearly as good as Noctua. Price aside.

 

13 hours ago, Tankbuster said:

Air coolers move a lot of air and do pick up lot of dust. My daughters PC, which is in the same room as mine, uses an air cooler and the filters fill up much quicker than mine.

Once again, telling us, that there is greater dust build up resulting from an air cooler vs. AiO, without mentioning fans rpms for both makes no sense.

Also dust filters can be different on your case and your daughter's case and case palcement also impacts temps and dust build up.
 

What I can tell your for sure is that if you take same fans, at same rpms, they will make more noise on an AiO radiator than on an air cooler radiator, since there is more resistance to the air, due to higher number of fins tightly spaced and for same reason - dust will build up quicker as well.

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13 hours ago, Tankbuster said:

I've never had leaks, and a quick browse (of the Corsair) forums aren't exactly alight with complaints about leaks.

Well, relying only on your own experience is not correct, since there are many other users that have the opposite experience to yours, even with same brand you currently have, namely Corsair.

You can simply look on amazon and see that there are much more bad reviews for Corsair AiOs than on Corsair's forum.

And it concerns any AiO in general, not only Corsair ones, since there are more parts and moving parts etc, unlike in air coolers.

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8 hours ago, Groove_C said:

@Chimere Waiting for NF-A12x25 to be released in 140 mm (NF-A14x25???) and hope they will be available in black as well. No point in buying 120 mm.

 

Also patiently waiting for something better than any Noctua and AiOs - IceGiant ProSiphon Elite.

Thick radiator, but no hoses, no pump, no water and thus 0 maintenance and failure is simply impossible.

 

 

I was going to mention this to you, it does look interesting. I'll wait to see genuine reviews, rather than just the commercial shills who pose as reviewers on youTube.

My first thought was, wow, that's a lot of weight to be hanging on the motherboard, but then I remember, you air cooler proponents are used to that anyway 🙂

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Why can't you accept that opinions contrary to yours might have some merit< @Groove_C?

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5 minutes ago, Tankbuster said:

Why can't you accept that opinions contrary to yours might have some merit< @Groove_C?

 

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15 minutes ago, domokun said:

 

Oh, well now that you've posted a single opinion from a well known 'reviewer' I'm totally changing my view. Groove is 100% correct on everything.

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58 minutes ago, Tankbuster said:

Oh, well now that you've posted a single opinion from a well known 'reviewer' I'm totally changing my view. Groove is 100% correct on everything.

Linus used to be a product manager at NCIX (one Canada's largest PC etailers) and his specialisation was watercooling. So he's been watercooling for almost 15 years...

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Just now, domokun said:

Linus used to be a product manager at NCIX (one Canada's largest PC etailers) and his specialisation was watercooling. So he's been watercooling for almost 15 years...

And he clearly has an agenda. Others seem to say the opposite but we never see their content here.

I just don't think some people here understand the difference between offering balanced advice and trying to convert others to their point of view.

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6 minutes ago, Tankbuster said:

And he clearly has an agenda. Others seem to say the opposite but we never see their content here.

I just don't think some people here understand the difference between offering balanced advice and trying to convert others to their point of view.

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Source: Techspot's Intel Core i9-9900K and Core i7-9700K Review

 

 

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