massey_sd 10 Posted October 5, 2014 Welcome to Arma anyway ^^ Thanks, absolutely love the game. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinghubert 48 Posted October 6, 2014 Massey_sd, the 1866er ram is the bottleneck in your system especially in this game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpartanZeroTwo 10 Posted October 6, 2014 Hello so I just bought my own Dell Inspiration 3847 brand new, I downloaded Arma 3 after installing my antivirus software and everything in the campaign runs good. It's at 30 FPS with mostly standard settings but I tried going to multiplayer twice and both times the whole thing just stopped and froze when it was still loading the servers! It got to about 1000 servers then it started to lag and eventually froze. I searched for the i8347 and didn't catch any in these forums so I was hoping to get some info. I'm willing to replace any parts inside the computer because I know people that could help me with it but I'd hope you guys here could tell me what I need to be doing! When I went shopping today I made sure that the desktop could pass the required and even some recommended aspects but maybe it's our old Berlkin internet. I gathered all the info that came with the computer that I know of. The i8347 comes with Windows 8.1 and I even updated it before downloading arma. It has 1 TB of space 7200 rpm hard drive 4th Gen Intel core I5 4440 processors 8GB DDR3 3.1GHz cache And it has the Intel hd integrated graphics Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
massey_sd 10 Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Massey_sd, the 1866er ram is the bottleneck in your system especially in this game. What RAM do you suggest I get? 2400? 2800? BTW, 11-13-13-35 is better than 11-14-14-15, right? The lower the better. I heard G.SKILL is excellent. This one?: My mobo supports it. http://www.amazon.co.uk/G-Skill-F3-2800C12D-16GTXDG-Memory-2800MHz-DDR3-RAM/dp/B00DI70C8M/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412581093&sr=8-1&keywords=g.skill+16gb+2800 Timings: 12-14-14-35. EDIT: This is 16GTXDG, I need 16GTXD, or, is it the same? Can't seem to find "F3-2800C12D-16GTXD" on Google, yet, in the QVL of my Mobo, it says that's the one I need. Is it a typo or something? http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1150/MAXIMUS-VII-HERO/MAXIMUS_VII_HERO_MEMORY_QVL.pdf EDIT2: Oh well, in the QVL on the G.SKILL website, the Mobo ASUS Maximus VII Hero is listed, so, it should be fine. http://www.gskill.com/en/product/f3-2800c12d-16gtxdg (QVL -> ASUS -> Z97) But damn, it is expensive. Will this be a shitload better for Arma3, and other games, when compared to my current RAM, or, only slightly? Is it worth buying it? PS: My current RAM is XMP, and so is the one I linked to. Do I have to change it to XMP in my BIOS somewhere? Thought I read something about that. Edited October 6, 2014 by Massey_sd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonschuh 3 Posted October 6, 2014 I would get at least 2400MHz G.Skill's. Mine are: G.Skill 16G(4*4G) DDR3-2400 Quad Channel [TDX] F3-2400C10Q-16GTX (tightened timings: 10-11-11-28-2T). Your Bios should usually automatically choose the XMP-Mode, but you could double-check it and if necessary change the settings to XMP. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nikiforos 450 Posted October 6, 2014 How big difference in FPS will I see if I upgrade my system from 1600Mhz RAM to 2133MHz? Any ideas? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
massey_sd 10 Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) I would get at least 2400MHz G.Skill's.Mine are: G.Skill 16G(4*4G) DDR3-2400 Quad Channel [TDX] F3-2400C10Q-16GTX (tightened timings: 10-11-11-28-2T). Your Bios should usually automatically choose the XMP-Mode, but you could double-check it and if necessary change the settings to XMP. :) Alright, I've settled on these. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00DI70C8M/ref=s9_simh_se_p147_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=search-desktop-advertising-no-results-center-1&pf_rd_r=186SJQB9TNTP4CJ9NB6T&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=535022947&pf_rd_i=G.Skill%20F3-2800C12D-16GTXD Do you think it's worth the upgrade? Going from 1866MHz to 2800MHz. Will it be noticable? How much FPS gain? For Arma3 and other games. Is my current RAM that serious of a bottleneck in my rig? Or only slightly? EDIT, I think I'm gonna order them, then I'll do another benchmark and post it here. So, if I wanna OC my CPU with Turbo Boost to 4.4GHz, do I need an aftermarket cooler? I'm using the stock cooler at the moment. This one seems great, and, I don't have to remove the Heat Spreader Fins of the G.SKILL's, as opposed to the Noctua NH-D15, which I first had in mind. http://www.amazon.co.uk/noctua-NH-U14S/dp/B00C76WV3O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412597601&sr=8-1&keywords=noctua+nh-u14s It's gotten excellent reviews. I still have Noctua NT-H1 thermal paste lying at home. Also, when I enable Turbo Boost in BIOS, to make my cpu, i7-4790k run at 4.4GHz, do I have to change anything else? Edited October 6, 2014 by Massey_sd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonschuh 3 Posted October 6, 2014 Alright, I've settled on these. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B00DI70C8M/ref=s9_simh_se_p147_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_s=search-desktop-advertising-no-results-center-1&pf_rd_r=186SJQB9TNTP4CJ9NB6T&pf_rd_t=301&pf_rd_p=535022947&pf_rd_i=G.Skill%20F3-2800C12D-16GTXDDo you think it's worth the upgrade? Going from 1866MHz to 2800MHz. Will it be noticable? How much FPS gain? For Arma3 and other games. Is my current RAM that serious of a bottleneck in my rig? Or only slightly? EDIT, I think I'm gonna order them, then I'll do another benchmark and post it here. So, if I wanna OC my CPU with Turbo Boost to 4.4GHz, do I need an aftermarket cooler? I'm using the stock cooler at the moment. This one seems great, and, I don't have to remove the Heat Spreader Fins of the G.SKILL's, as opposed to the Noctua NH-D15, which I first had in mind. http://www.amazon.co.uk/noctua-NH-U14S/dp/B00C76WV3O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412597601&sr=8-1&keywords=noctua+nh-u14s It's gotten excellent reviews. I still have Noctua NT-H1 thermal paste lying at home. Also, when I enable Turbo Boost in BIOS, to make my cpu, i7-4790k run at 4.4GHz, do I have to change anything else? You should get at least 5-10fps more (SP) with the RAM. I would not really OC with the Standard-Heatsink. I overclock a bit different, as I disabled Core-Parking + increased the multiplicator + changed some BIOS-Settings + increased the Voltages a bit + disabled the HD-Graphics etc.pp. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
massey_sd 10 Posted October 6, 2014 You should get at least 5-10fps more (SP) with the RAM.I would not really OC with the Standard-Heatsink. I overclock a bit different, as I disabled Core-Parking + increased the multiplicator + changed some BIOS-Settings + increased the Voltages a bit + disabled the HD-Graphics etc.pp. :) Alright, well, I think I'm gonna leave my CPU as it is, don't really wanna get into all this OC stuff. No idea how to do all that stuff. Unless of course somebody wants to help me with that. But I might very well buy the RAM. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinghubert 48 Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) @ram there are several arma3-ram-benchmarks in the www and in this forum. If someone find them :p The altis bench from helo is a good cpu-(and ram)limiting benchmark because its a flyover (not gpu-heavy). I bought 2400er ram with good overclocking ability and found a good compromise between timing and clockspeed (there are several programs to test the read/write performance in a minute). Here I found one bench via google :p http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?166512-Arma-3-CPU-vs-RAM-performance-comparison-1600-2133-up-to-15-FPS-gain There are tons of step-by-step tutorials about overclocking in the www. The two important things are to inform about max temps of the particular hardware you will overclock and the max volts you can give. The rest is tasting and....good cooling. @Nikoforos why not 2400er or faster? I think its not much more expensive. Edited October 6, 2014 by JumpingHubert Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
massey_sd 10 Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Hmm, I've read that Haswell's can run pretty darn hot with the stock cooler. (I Googled i7-4790k running hot, and got a lot of results...) I just played some Arma 3, and this is what Core Temp is showing: This seems mighty hot, no? I played for only 5 minutes or so. (Took the screenshot right after I played, and, Alt-Tabbed, with Arma3 still running.) So, should I buy the Noctua NH-U14S anyhow? I still have some excellent thermal paste lying at home in a drawer somewhere. (Noctua NT-H1.) Then I can still decide whether or not I want to OC my CPU. And now I've read that there 'might' be faulty batches out there... Crap... Maybe I should use an excellent aftermarket cooler first, before sending it back... Do you guys think there's something wrong with this CPU? Or, try the Noctua NH-U14S air cooler + Noctua NT-H1 thermal paste first? EDIT: Alright, I turned off my PC and checked to make sure the stock cooler is mounted properly, which it is. I ran Core Temp again, right after I got into windows...: This cannot be normal, right? Gonna wait for a reply in here. If it's really necessary, I'm just gonna contact Intel directly, or the store where I bought it from. Hmm, now I've read that updating the BIOS might help... Some Mobo's apparently have the CPU running at too high a voltage or something...? So, should I update the BIOS first? Edited October 6, 2014 by Massey_sd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LSD_Timewarp82 21 Posted October 6, 2014 Thats normal or better to say your temperature depends on the quality of the CPU-cooling. Do you use the boxed cooler which comes with the cpu? If yes i would intense suggest to buy a new one cause the boxed cooler isnt very good, thats a fact. Comparing to coolers from Scythe or Noctua it´s a world. They cooling up to 15°C better, that depoends of course which and how you spread the cooling paste on the cpu befor placing the cooling unit. By the way: when u didnt disable it in the bios your cpu throttles the clock speed when reaches 80°C EDIT: just read you use stock cooler. You should follow my suggestion then Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
massey_sd 10 Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) Thats normal or better to say your temperature depends on the quality of the CPU-cooling. Do you use the boxed cooler which comes with the cpu? If yes i would intense suggest to buy a new one cause the boxed cooler isnt very good, thats a fact. Comparing to coolers from Scythe or Noctua it´s a world. They cooling up to 15°C better, that depoends of course which and how you spread the cooling paste on the cpu befor placing the cooling unit.By the way: when u didnt disable it in the bios your cpu throttles the clock speed when reaches 80°C EDIT: just read you use stock cooler. You should follow my suggestion then Alright, yes, I think I'm gonna order the Noctua NH-U14S. And use Noctua NT-H1 Cooling paste. Oh, PS, I just checked my BIOS, and the RAM was running at 1333MHz, changed it to 1866. Do I have to do anything else to BIOS settings related to RAM? Or is that all. And the CPU Temp in BIOS was 47°-48°. Edited October 6, 2014 by Massey_sd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinghubert 48 Posted October 6, 2014 Alright, yes, I think I'm gonna order the Noctua NH-U14S. And use Noctua NT-H1 Cooling paste. a good choice! Feel free to read into it :) http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
massey_sd 10 Posted October 6, 2014 a good choice! Feel free to read into it :) http://www.overclock.net/t/1411077/haswell-overclocking-guide-with-statistics Thanks for the link. Gonna add it to a text file for later. Just asked my mom to buy some Isopropyl Alcohol (or Ethanol) from the store tomorrow, to remove the cooling paste from my CPU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LSD_Timewarp82 21 Posted October 6, 2014 U need to put the paste as thin as possible on the cpu- use an old creditcard or something like that to spread it on the Heatspreader of the cpu. When installing the new cpu cooler you need to be sure that the cooler is so plain as possible on the cpu to get best results Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
massey_sd 10 Posted October 6, 2014 (edited) U need to put the paste as thin as possible on the cpu- use an old creditcard or something like that to spread it on the Heatspreader of the cpu. When installing the new cpu cooler you need to be sure that the cooler is so plain as possible on the cpu to get best results Thanks, but there is information about applying this paste on the back of the package, I'll just follow that. EDIT: Alrighty, just ordered new RAM: G.SKILL TridentX F3-2800C12D-16GTXDG; 16GB (2x8GB), 2800MHz, CL12, 12-14-14-35-2N. I'll just sell the ones I have now. I'll benchmark Arma 3 again when it's installed. Edited October 6, 2014 by Massey_sd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PantherAl 11 Posted October 6, 2014 Quick Question: Has anyone figured out what the optimal settings for 4K displays is yet? Running a new screen now, and I am pretty sure I have the horsepower, but still want to be sure. Currently using a 3820 with 32gb of RAM, SSD, 2xTitan SLI. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LSD_Timewarp82 21 Posted October 6, 2014 Alrighty, just ordered new RAM: G.SKILL TridentX F3-2800C12D-16GTXDG; 16GB (2x8GB), 2800MHz, CL12, 12-14-14-35-2N. I'll just sell the ones I have now. I'll benchmark Arma 3 again when it's installed. Good, keep us informed about that :) Quick Question:Has anyone figured out what the optimal settings for 4K displays is yet? Running a new screen now, and I am pretty sure I have the horsepower, but still want to be sure. Currently using a 3820 with 32gb of RAM, SSD, 2xTitan SLI. Why dont try pressing Autodetect and see what the Arma Engine thinks about your Horsepower? ^^ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinghubert 48 Posted October 6, 2014 Alrighty, just ordered new RAM: G.SKILL TridentX F3-2800C12D-16GTXDG; 16GB (2x8GB), 2800MHz, CL12, 12-14-14-35-2N. . wow, very fast ram. That will make a huge difference. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
massey_sd 10 Posted October 6, 2014 wow, very fast ram. That will make a huge difference. I hope so. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
massey_sd 10 Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Btw, my mom couldn't find Isopropyl Alcohol; It's for removing the Thermal Paste from my CPU. Tomorrow she's gonna buy Ethanol from the pharmacy. Ethanol should be fine as well, no? BTW, could I use Optical Wipes to clean glasses with? I believe they have some alcohol in them. Edited October 7, 2014 by Massey_sd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nikiforos 450 Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Your mom? How old are you? Do you have to be at certain age to buy Ethanol ? Personally I never tested with Ethanol just Isopropyl alcohol. Edited October 7, 2014 by Nikiforos Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
massey_sd 10 Posted October 7, 2014 (edited) Your mom? How old are you? Do you have to be at certain age to buy Ethanol ? I can't tomorrow, I'm away for most of the day. I could go myself today, buy I'm a bit lazy. :) I could of course... Maybe I will. And my parents had to go to the supermarket today anyhow. There was no need for me to go with them. And I don't have a driver's license... Yeah, I know, I keep postponing it. And I don't know if you have to be at a certain age to buy Ethanol. Edited October 7, 2014 by Massey_sd Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nikiforos 450 Posted October 7, 2014 Hehehe sorry but I'm not the police you don't need to explain everything ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
