A request for an f-22 raptor

[Ruskiesrule 0]

yeah, after WW2, Russian modern aircraft have been the only aircraft i can describe as "Been designed by an aircraft designer with a hobby of artistic preportions!"

I don't however like the tanks, the only tank i actualy think looks cool is the Challenger 2 tank, and the M2A2.

[RaptorAce 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ruskiesrule @ Sep. 27 2002,17:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">it does look nice, but its supposed to be hell to land, i've got a video of sombody trying to land it and bursting into flames!

And its no longer the best fighter in the world (They never actualy rolled it out into combat ready before it was overtaken!.

BAE! ALL THE WAY! EuroFighter, maby not stealthy, but even a monkey can fly, so you americans should be crawling over them! Ever second the computer makes over 10k of adjustments to make sure its flying as strait as possible (that being almost exactly strait!.

Oh, i also hate the Eurofighters name! So i prefer to call it Typhoon!<span id='postcolor'>

ok, yeah right, british aerospace making a better plane than lockheed martin, you wish, and same to the guy who said the flanker, the 22 would take it down any day.

Anyways, i don't really care if you dont want this in the game, i do, and that's why i requested it, not so that everyone who doesnt like superior american aircraft can come in here and say "how bad" the F-22 is and how pointless it'd be in the game. If you don't want it then dont say it here, just don't download it if someone decides to make it. And the weapon bays thing... it can also carry weapons on underwing pylons which i know can be put on

[Eviscerator 0]

someones been taking his american pride pills

[RaptorAce 0]

i dont need pills

[drewb99 0]

The F22's been in development so long it can be outperformed by an F15E.

Give it up on the F22 being the superior aircraft.

[peeps 0]

Lets just end it with, britain has the best fighters since WWII

we have the best special forces unit in the world as well (commandos). Don't get me wrong u other folk try hard but u don't come close Fair enough u have the coolest lookin tanks

[RaptorAce 0]

the best fighters in the world? wasnt it six british tornadoes that were shot down in Desert Storm? (and yes, i am right on that) The American planes have superior avionics and the pilots have better training and the F-22 has the smallest turn radius, so dont go bragging about your inferior EFT. I don't know how SEALs and Rangers training compares to the Commandos so i won't even touch that subject. But once more I'll say it, I want to see this in the game.

[Sadico 1]

Wasn't an american F/A-18 the only plane that was shot down by an enemy fighter in Desert Storm (by a Mig-25, by the way)?  

By the way, the Su-37 with 3d vectoring engines can make maneuvers that a F-22 pilot can only dream (if you don't believe it, search the web, you should be able to find several videos).

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the best fighters in the world? wasnt it six british tornadoes that were shot down in Desert Storm? (and yes, i am right on that) The American planes have superior avionics and the pilots have better training and the F-22 has the smallest turn radius, so dont go bragging about your inferior EFT.<span id='postcolor'>

How fucking dare you get so superior! Your not even in the Air Force, how the hell would you know anything about this.

I knew people who got killed in the gulf conducting OCA strikes. Those Tornados were shot down, flying 30 feet down a runway, with all the AAA in hell firing up at them, to take the runways out with JP223's.

That was their job in the Allied air tasking order. It was one of the hardest and most dangerous sorties you could get.

How dare you call the aircraft and crews inferior.

As for training, if you check the concurrent Red Flag crew efficiency scores I think you will be surprised. We might not have the amount of kit you guys have, but we know how to use it. Usually better than your guys do.

I'm sure that your knowledge of air operations is restricted to how pretty the A/C looks. For your own sake, try and get your head out of the clouds.

[miles teg 1]

0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drewb99 @ Sep. 28 2002,030)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The F22's been in development so long it can be outperformed by an F15E.

Give it up on the F22 being the superior aircraft.<span id='postcolor'>

Uh....  ok....  please tell me where you found published reputable information on the F-22's flight characteristics?

Yeah I'm American, but I don't really care to see a F22 in OFP unless there's nothing else interesting for addonmakers to create.  

However, I think the whole "Our Eurofighters are better then your Raptors!" arguement is incredibly stupid considering the fact that the data regarding the performance of the Raptor is classified.  However it is known that it does contain advancement avionics, thrust vectoring exhaust nozzles (for high angle-of-attack maneauvers), a large wing area (again helpful in increasing lift area and maneuverability) and advanced stealth characteristics.   I seriously doubt that any of the F-15 variants can outperform it, although certainly the Eurofighter and similar modern next-generation fighter aircraft (like the latest generation of Sukoi air-superiority aircraft) may equal or exceed it in performance at least in some aspects of the Raptor's performance.   But which aspects remain unknown.  The F-22 from all appearances however seems to contain the best combination of features found in the latest generation of fighter aircraft.

So please before anyone spouts out how terrible a particular aircraft is, please post where you got that information from, otherwise don't post "mine is bigger then yours" crap.  

For info on the Raptor go to:

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/f22/f22features.html

With that said, if anyone wants to make a F22 Raptor, cool then let them if that is something THEY want, but I don't think most mission designers would find it particularly useful other then as something cool to look at (eye candy).  I'd rather see something more uselful like a Su-24 Fencer and a F-111 Aardvark (both very similar aircraft)....  and of coarse more attack aircraft like the A1 Skyraider cuz right now I'm having TONS of fun with the OV-10 Bronco due to its superb handling, excellent modelling/texturing and awesome weapon layouts.  A RAF Jaguar ground attack aircraft would also be very cool!  Jaguars were extensively used during the Gulf War by several countries.

Also when is someone going to make a RAF version of the G8 Tornado?   If anyone does this and if anyone is able to lower the point of aim of the Tornado's cannon/rockets (so that the AI pilot doesn't swoop down so low) I can give them the .cpp script I made for getting the AI to properly use the JP.233 sub-munitions dispenser.   On the current G8 the point of aim is too high which I think is what causes it to attack at extremely low levels.  While this looks cool, the AI pilots die when they use the sub-munitions dispenser because the resulting explosions usually destroy the aircraft.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[RaptorAce 0]

1st, No.  No US planes were lost to enemy planes during all of Desert Shield and Desert Storm

2nd, the Su-37 is only used for show and hasnt (and as far as i know wont) be put into production.  The Flanker more likely to go into production will be the Su-33 or Su-35 which doesnt have TV, plus with the F-22's advanced systems and stealth, it would probably kill the flanker if they were in a fight simply because it'd get into range before the flanker would see it. And yeah, that cobra maneuver is cool, but not really useful in a dogfight

This was a reply to Sadico.

[RaptorAce 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ Sep. 28 2002,17:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the best fighters in the world?  wasnt it six british tornadoes that were shot down in Desert Storm? (and yes, i am right on that)   The American planes have superior avionics and the pilots have better training and the F-22 has the smallest turn radius, so dont go bragging about your inferior EFT.<span id='postcolor'>

How fucking dare you get so superior! Your not even in the Air Force, how the hell would you know anything about this.

I knew people who got killed in the gulf conducting OCA strikes. Those Tornados were shot down, flying 30 feet down a runway, with all the AAA in hell firing up at them, to take the runways out with JP223's.

That was their job in the Allied air tasking order. It was one of the hardest and most dangerous sorties you could get.

How dare you call the aircraft and crews inferior.

As for training, if you check the concurrent Red Flag crew efficiency scores I think you will be surprised. We might not have the amount of kit you guys have, but we know how to use it. Usually better than your guys do.

I'm sure that your knowledge of air operations is restricted to how pretty the A/C looks. For your own sake, try and get your head out of the clouds.<span id='postcolor'>

Jesus, how aircraft look?

No, I'm talking about what they have inside, I have no doubt in my mind that the F-22 will run circles around the EFT, plus the F-22 is stealth, so it'd run circles around it and the EFT wouldnt even notice, the EFT has stealth but it wasnt put into consideration as much as it was in the F-22 and is more visible on radar.

[Badgerboy 0]

Errr, did you read what I actually typed? I'm not interested in your Typhoon vs F22. They are two different aircraft for two different roles.

I'm more interested in your comments about our pilots and training.

Well?

[RaptorAce 0]

I think you're the one who needs to read the posts. Not once did I say the crews and pilots were inferior, I said the aircraft were. I realize that the pilots of our air forces are top notch, but you're saying that the British pilots are better than American pilots in all aspects, to prove that, they'd have to go head to head and if you can give me the results to a red flag competition, then that'd be great.

[ralphwiggum 6]

plz talk about F22, not "who has better pilot"

[RaptorAce 0]

sorry, ill stop

[ralphwiggum 6]

not just you..all of ppl.

i don't mind having discussions about F22, but starting to compare about which is better usually ends up in flame war. so i'm giving a warning before it happens.

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RaptorAce @ Sep. 28 2002,17:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1st, No.  No US planes were lost to enemy planes during all of Desert Shield and Desert Storm

2nd, the Su-37 is only used for show and hasnt (and as far as i know wont) be put into production.  The Flanker more likely to go into production will be the Su-33 or Su-35 which doesnt have TV, plus with the F-22's advanced systems and stealth, it would probably kill the flanker if they were in a fight simply because it'd get into range before the flanker would see it.  And yeah, that cobra maneuver is cool, but not really useful in a dogfight

This was a reply to Sadico.<span id='postcolor'>

Funny, i had read years ago that a F/A-18 was shot down by a Mig-25, but now i can't find any confirmation. Looks like it wasn't true.

The Su-37 and Su-35 are not currently in production, and i'm sure they won't be in service with the Russian Air Force anytime soon (maybe never), but they have been offered for export. There is a Su-30 variant with 3d vectoring engines too, and i think it has been already sold to India. China bought Su-27's some years ago and is interested in buying the new variants. You are right though, the F-22 should be able to destroy the Sukhoi from long range, but we don't really know how stealthy it is. That cobra maneuver is only an example of the maneuvers that can be done with that aircraft, in a dogfight the 37 would out-turn the F-22 quite easily, and if you combine that with a reaward facing radar, a helmet mounted sight and the AA-11 missiles you have possibly the best dogfighter in the world.

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.......and the pilots have better training <span id='postcolor'>

I could go on for ages regarding 'superior' A/C, but different A/C are designed for different jobs. The Tornado is the best low level/high speed interdictor in the world...... but it can't dog fight.

The F22 might be able to dominate the skies..... but it can't effectively take out enemy airfields.

Horses for courses my friend. For your information though, we buy and share tech all the time. The JSF's avionics will be designed with BAe, along with support from Marconi. All of your ejector seats are Martin-Baker..... A British company! We use your missiles, you use our training A/C (Under license)

You can get the Red Flag data (declassified) off the net. It show the differences in training ethos. Generally, Americans train on one particular role, which they can rattle off parrot fashion. As we don't have the resources to do that, we multirole train, with a different stance and approach.

No pilot will ever say the other guys are better than him, and I'm not going to be the first! As I said its horses for courses. The USAF is strong as it has excellent A/C and many off them. The RAF is strong as although we have far fewer A/C, our pilots are trained to a level to make up for this.

[RaptorAce 0]

heh, i've heard it all before, i've been in sooo many debates over who's better, Su-37 or F-22 (see www.neoseeker.com acecombat 4 thread)

its funny how serious some people were and just about every aspect known of each aircraft was mentioned, it's funny, you should check it out.

[ralphwiggum 6]

last warning. anyone who brings up about how good a pilot is or compare btw countrys gets 48hr post restriction.

[RaptorAce 0]

who said anything about one country being better than another?

-edit-

(after your warning)

[Badgerboy 0]

Ralph, I've PM'd you.

[Eviscerator 0]

(not comparing countrys but...)

you shouldnt put so much of your trust in stealth, F117's were picked up by british ships all the way to baghdad in the gulf war, stealth is only good if you are going against technologically inferior nations as stealth is never 100% invisible to radar

[Jester983 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (billytran @ Sep. 26 2002,07:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe a static F-22 would be cool for sabotage missions where you sneak into the enemy base to destroy their aircraft.  But a flying F-22 would be kinda useless.<span id='postcolor'>

Now that would be a good idea. But if your going to do something like that you might as well just make the full thing.

What about the stealth part of it? I believe thats the soul purpose behind the F-22. Anyone know how we would go about doing that? Maybe a script?