France General

[vilas 473]

and probably he also was taking benefits and soon another plaza will be called in the name of other muslim not in the name of policeman who would die "to not offend muslims" lol, hehe, west is idiotic and self destructive, west can be saved if real righ wing will win elections are return Europe to for natives and without any tollerance for sharia-preachers and islamists praying to set sharia on west , otherwise you all on west are already dead or slaves , despite 4-5 times bigger salaries on the west than in my Poland - i would not want to emigrate to west, of course i am still poor, of course you earn 3-5 times more and you can buy new car while i cannot still buy car cause new cars are too expensive (more than i earn by whole year gross with taxation) new car is for me cost of 2 years of work , for you it is several months of work, but i do not want to visit west, i want to be safe and alive , i want to have Christmass without explosions or arabs shooting to pedestrians and pay welfere cheks and benefits for terrorists, some time ago i was really thinking about migration (reason is simple - i want to live normally, have new car, have big house, have good expensive clothes) now west is disarming citizens (bans on knifes, ban of anything) while still we remain rights to have guns (i own personally Glock 17 9mm, CZ P07 9mm which i can carry, i own AR-15 in 5.56mm with 11 inch barrel in my home)  of course i am poor comparing to western standards (while i was on trip to Vienna i seen that people have max . 5 years old cars, maybe some 10 years old, while in Poland people buy 20 years old cars, i still cannot afford having car, i bought only 35 square metters flat while you have 70 or 80 square metters flat) but at least i am safe and in case anyone would want to attack me i have personal Glock 17 or CZ P07 (of course in Czech republic it is much much better cause 3% of people have guns while in my country only 4 permiles, 8 times less than Czech) and soon i hope to buy Bren2MS when Ceska Zbrojovka will start selling it in Polish market , while englishman cannot have small pocket knife but he pays for sharia-preachers which call to make terror acts (Anjem Houdari had 25 000 pounds per year from benefits , not working)

poor west, if you won't wake up, you will be dead or slaves - the sooner you understand the bigger chance to stay alive , terrorists always have illegal full-auto guns, giving up freedoms ("hate speech, migration speech" etc. will just make you living in communism , cenzorship, like we had before 1989 ) , so fight for your rights and vote for freedom-capitalistic right wing (not for national socialists, every socialism is wrong because socialism ends in poverty , if one person has benefit, other person doesn't want to work hard and pay taxes for someone living from benefits without work , in Polish we have traditional proverb "bez pracy nie ma kołaczy" - "no work, no food" , while in west you had in Netherlands legal squating - i cannot imagine how anyone can allow non-owner to occupy house of owner ? we had something like this in communism 1944-1989 that people had confiscated property "because someone other needs it" - shame on commies )

[spooky lynx 73]

9 hours ago, vilas said:

while in Poland people buy 20 years old cars

Wise decision. Cars developed and produced until 2000-s will serve you 10-15 years and bring you a little amount of problems. While modern ones will become a trash can after 3-4 years of usage. 

BTW my car is 26 years old. And it's still a big, comfortable, fast and safe one.

9 hours ago, vilas said:

reason is simple - i want to live normally, have new car, have big house, have good expensive clothes

You could have all this in capitalist system only when it had to compete with socialist one. Now big business has no reasons to sponsor a 'welfare state' that had been since 50's.

[vilas 473]

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BTW my car is 26 years old.

for me it is some kind of slap in face, a matter of dignity - not to have second-hand things, cause being poor is slap in face of our dignity, we should have brand new things and we should earn to buy what is necessary for living (house to start family and have kids, car, clothes, medical care)

about socialism - i already said what i remember from 80s in other topic - i remember total poverty, problems to even buy toilet paper - in Syria topic , for me socialism is worst system in world cause we had it till 1989 and i remember it, i remember problems to buy anything basic, toilet paper was problem, in shops there was no toilet paper, we had to use newspapers to wipe our ass , we had to repair our clothes cause new clothes were not present in shop some days, we had to wash clothes by hand because there was queue to buy washing machine, moreover it was almost on some kind of permission, just like buying car was after awaiting your queueu cause cars were limited etc. 

buying flat ... only from state and waiting 10 years in queue and Militia (Police) officer was always first to get flat from state while average people awaited in long queue for decade to get flat , state controlled everything, no freedoms, no freedom of speech, political police etc 

[spooky lynx 73]

I would not agree with you that buying second hand things looks like a slap. For example, "Butan" camo used by Soviet VDV, Naval infantry isn't produced since early 90's. So I had to buy second-hand one. But it's okay because now I have one of the rarest camo suits. The same goes to the car - I just like Audi C4 design most of all, and despite that cars aren't produced since 1997, I bought one. Because all others are just a waste of money for me. I'd rather spend 30-40K euros for tuning and building 900+ hp sleeper than buying some new Audi.

[vilas 473]

but you do it with your free will , not because you are forced by situation - it is difference - if you want old car because you like it - it is your choice , but if you cannot afford new because you are too poor - it is slap in face of your dignity - at least i think that way cause i was in socialism living in poverty, i had to buy second-hand clothes , second-hand jacket, second-hand trousers etc. it was slap in face that you wear jacket or trousers after other person who was rich enough on the west (in 90s in Poland we had lots of shops called "wear from west" it was second-hand shops with clothes from western countries - such kick in face of dignity cannot be forgotten and forgiven that we had to buy second-hand clothes cause we were not able to afford new jacket or new trousers because we had such poverty after communism) now i am willing to buy first car in my life and i have problem - new car is 15 000 euro (KIA RIO seems the cheapest car for me or KIA STONIC for 18 000 EU) while i have 5000 euro for it, second hand cars "from west" are on market , but hell, cars from 2000-2009 , while i want car from 2018 with all safety systems, automatic gear, parking sensors, rear parking LCD screen , airconditioning and not worn-out mechanism, but after all i do not afraid to walk on Christmass events , just like you not afraid to walk on yours Christmass 2 weeks after ours

[spooky lynx 73]

From what I know socialism in Poland ended in 1990-1991, and shops with used clothes were about a year later, right? So it was already a democracy when you had to buy a used clothes.

[vilas 473]

because in socialism we even had problem to buy toilet paper - simply commies decided to produce less than needed and in end 1989 our salary after communism was worthy circa 20-30 dollars per month, montly salary was ca. 20-30 dolars , in 1988 or 1984 you had problem to buy sausage because in shop there was not enough food and we had food stamps in Poland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law_in_Poland 

food was regulated not even saying about clothes  so we could not buy ham, sugar, milk, sausage, bread as much as we needed but as much as commies gave us on food stamps called "kartki" ( "papers" "bumaga, bumazhka" )  in socialism for example toilet paper was problem and such like things (link to YT  movies in Syria topic :   https://forums.bohemia.net/forums/topic/128311-syria-what-should-we-do-if-anything/?do=findComment&comment=3324906 )

[oxmox 73]

The running gunmen from the Strasbourg Chirstmas Market attack is dead like most know already, they shot him. I did combine music and news about it in the music thread.

 

@Vilas wrote:

"return Europe to for natives...so fight for your rights and vote for freedom-capitalistic"

 

 

Its unrealistic to have no migration, but there is a certain trend in the last years which got promoted, where migration, open border ideas, neoliberalism and parts of the left are comming together. Migration is for the economy  big business and the World Economic Forum, which has an annual meeting in Davos, did promote it. They did publish a paper in 2013 with the title:

 

"The Business Case For Migration"

 

some sentences from the content:

 

Quote

 

The competitiveness of companies, on which most modern economies depend, can clearly be enhanced by migrants and migration. Restrictive and inflexible government policies put companies at risk of losing out in the global competition for limited skills and can undermine their overall

competitiveness.

 

Moreover, migrants are big business –both as entrepreneurs who create work, and as consumers who create demand

 

With an ageing population, more of the workers needed for the future economic .......and these immigrant

workers must be welcome.

 

 

http://www3.weforum.org/docs/GAC/2013/WEF_GAC_Migration_BusinessCase_Report_2013.pdf

 

 

 

 

[vilas 473]

world economic forum, davos - co called banksters, NWO, 

if west want to be slaves and cheap-labor they can obey this bullshit longer, i hope west will wake up, 

NWO, Soros, Bilderberg Group, Rotshields, Altiero Spinelli plan, Coudenhova Kalergi plan will end misarebly for people on west and this shit will spread to central europe , Agenda 2030 is one of most evil things NWO gave to this globe, open borders is total madness, each nation has its culture, roots tradition and ... will fight for it 

[vilas 473]

@spooky lynx  "BTW my car is 26 years old. And it's still a big, comfortable, fast and safe one."

 

returning to your car - the problem with old cars (apart from EU that I live in, which now focuses on "CO2" "environment protection") is that many of old cars on second-hand market are after accidents,

car workshops use to ... weld two after-accidental cars (what left of those cars)  into one "almost like new" car , such thing is popular in Poland (because we are poor, so we cannot afford new car, so we have to (not because we want) buy second hand old car) and many times it appears that this car had serious accident in France/Germany/Italy or USA and now some "workshop" welded elements and people die cause at high speed car can ... break apart,

or in accident when people would survive , people die cause car broke in half , or car leaves "4 traces instead of 2", airbags do not work cause workshop welded sensors,

so it is also dangerous for our lives and lives of our belowed ones , so it is not only matter of our dignity but also our life and safety , while on west people who are educated (MSc) earn 6000 or 8000 euro per month and can buy new 40 000 euro car which has low CO2, low fuel consumption and all airbags, esp, abs etc. than we earn 1/fifth and we buy cars which are 4000 euro not 40 000 , often those cars are simply wrecks painted again sold on our markets by traders (rather cheaters) - so I am not fan of old cars - I'd rather have all those new safe fancy ABS/airbags/ESP etc. systems in new car to have chance to survive accident 

 

[spooky lynx 73]

8 hours ago, vilas said:

the problem with old cars (apart from EU that I live in, which now focuses on "CO2" "environment protection") is that many of old cars on second-hand market are after accidents,

car workshops use to ... weld two after-accidental cars (what left of those cars)  into one "almost like new" car

So-called lego cars may be distinguished from cars with untouched hulls with ease. They often have wrong geometry, rust or different painting on the welds. Don't know about Poland but here the sellers often honestly tell that the car is a "constructor" and reduce price. Especially it goes to JDM cars. My car had been in accidents some years ago (metal plate under left headlight was touched with the rust - this means it is not original part covered with zync, a putty is visible on some places under the paint). Moreover I had been struck by new Nissan Quashqai in the front left door. This accident resulted in 3 hours of polishing the door of my car and broken front-right headlight, bumper and front-right hull panel and spar of Nissan. Since that time I don't like new cars because it seems that they are made of foil... And after the accident you need to replace the whole element instead of repairing it. And that costs way more.

[vilas 473]

maybe you have stronger consumer-support laws, market surveilance in Russia is stronger , you not only have Sluzba Spasenia (which is not present anywhere else) but you have strong GosPotrebNadzor and you have stronger punishments for such things , here not , 

in Germany afaik undo counter (reverse odometer) is crime and noone makes it - try to buy car in Poland without reversed odometer - good luck , no workshop which makes it was ever put unto prosecutor office , majority of cars "have odometer less than 200 000 km" even cars from 2003  so... i wish to pay less taxes and buy new car , of course nowadays cars are made of thin foil not from steel sheets , they do not have frame , here sellers cheat and lie - never buy used car here - it is like that: http://x0.wykop.pl/cdn/c0834752/01s4FSE_BgV00tS4XdhKtbdHGVXZbbGZB4z9xe01,wat.jpg?author=JaCzyliOn&auth=8f0249a67231c5633ecb8bf8e36f650d

1)  -  Germany , price 6700 EU, odometer 270 000 km, 

2) printscreen from Polish shop :

the same car  , the same photo 

http://x0.wykop.pl/cdn/c0834752/11s4FV0_BgV00tS4XdhKtbdHGVXZbbGZB4z9xe01,wat.jpg?author=JaCzyliOn&auth=8f0249a67231c5633ecb8bf8e36f650d

 

in Poland 8100 Euro (1400 euro more - it is double average monthly salary), and ... odometer shows 157 000 km 

 

this is how it looks in here 

 

another example :

 

http://www.wykop.pl/ramka/1319241/samochod-bezwypadkowy-po-polsku/

 

car in Poland being sold as "never had any accident" odometer 72 000 km, 

guy inspected VIN abroad

in Austria car had accident and was destroyed in front and rear, in moment of accident in Austria car had ... 128553 km 

 

none from police or prosecutor office reacts on it , 

another example car in Germany : https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_Lf3N6kvAPpZWdA1O8sHUG5SrE7dBetWD.jpg and after repair being sold as "never accident, almost like new , never scratched" https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3397993/link_eAvtATLbpga5qYu7xRoEKzsDLkRS0Oo6,w300h223.jpg

 

cars that being rejected by German or Austrian or French or US / Canadian technical surveilance as "not accepted to road" in Poland are being sold as "never scratched" 

 

after flood in Germany : https://s8.dziennik.pl/pliki/9158000/9158863-te-samochody-z-niemiec-wjada-do-900-555.jpg

 

journalists fight it - https://expressilustrowany.pl/bezwypadkowy-wrak-za-175-tys-zl-tak-dzialaja-samochodowi-oszusci/ar/962066  but law not , sensors from airbags, sensors from brakes disabled - noone is in jail

 

here person died cause car broke in half at high speed, it is due to poverty of people after socialism but also west made of Poland not only colony but also trash-bin :

 

 

can you imagine putting propane butane into air-conditioning ? driving bomb but it is cheaper than aircondition gas - such things were discovered by journalists - they found many cars which had propane butane inside air-condition, in case of accident there is explosion but workshops put such gas to car because it is cheaper (they charge people for R134a, people pay money believing they have R134a while they have propane butane inside -  if there would be spark in accident - we have big hollywood explosion) but try to buy new car for 30 000 euro when you earn monthly 700 - if not 5 decades of  socialism - we would earn normally  it is of course better than 1989 when we earned 30 dollars per month (1 dollar per day)

[vilas 473]

i spent some time reading western european news websites - not much info about French yellow vest protests, in my country a lot of informations - west seems to close eyes on protests of citizens (and they call that in Poland democracy is in danger, lol) , western people know about small protest in Serbia, about some sportsmen wedding, while French middle class and working class is protesting against big taxes and police violence , in time when people who WORK (natives) protest against taxes, Brussels discuss applying "gender neutral, sex neutral language which doesn't recognize man or woman" - omg , they shoot (rubber bullets so far) to working hard people and they discuss that "fireman , policeman, spokesman, chairman,  is wrong because it hurts women so it must be spokeperson, policeperson"  - people leading EU are crazy  or mentally ill , in meantime when crazy EU discuss about "how to reduce CO2" "spokeperson, fireperson, policeperson" - ten people were killed by French police , 1500 injured , those people were taxpayers working to pay too big taxes that will be spend on benefits and social care for jihadis illegal migrants or for banks and banksters , when in Poland we voted for more conservative and more right wing government - whole damn EU protested "for democracy", when in France people are beaten, killed by police, injured - no EU reaction, no EU word about democracy , the  same when in Hungary people voted Orban than EU makes big protest about "lack of democracy", where is democracy in France when taxpayers are opressed and beaten by socialist multicultural government 

 

 

@spooky lynxi am in little shock - guess what - i checked prices in Russia - you have 30% cheaper cars , really, Suzuki Vitara 4x4 automatic gear costs in Russia circa 66 000 Polish Zlotys, in Poland ... 98 000 PLN (4.3 PLN = 1 Euro) 

i found that Russia has Dacia Duster 4x4 automat - we do not have cause damn EU made "WLTP" directive which killed Fiat Tipo, Dacia Duster etc. automats due to "euro6D emission norms" , damn EU , shame i cannot buy car in Russia and register it in Poland /EU due to "Euro6D" , yoou have 30% cheaper prices , i had no idea before that EU is so damn fiscal and expensive - o my gosh, being in Russia with my money i could buy Suzuki Vitara 4x4, in Poland for that money i can buy Opel Corsa in cheapest interior version or Citroen C3 in basic version or maybe Toyota Yaris  cause VW Polo is more expensive (automat gear)

 

but if i wanted to buy car in Russia (outside EU) i have to pay ... 23% VAT tax, 10% custom tax 3%  excize tax , - 36 % price more - thats why people in yellow vest protest in France - we have all damn expensive due to taxes, this overtaxation system in EU must end , all those uber-benefits for nonworking lazy must end , we cannot work more and more just to pay taxes 

 

another crap - in Germany people have 1.99 % anual rate for credit (source vw . de) in Poland ... 11 % , so having credit for 5-6 years i have to pay 25-30% of car to bank (in Germany only 8-9  %), how is it in Russia ?  damn banksters damn corporations damn EU 

[vilas 473]

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[spooky lynx 73]

12 hours ago, vilas said:

where is democracy in France when taxpayers are opressed and beaten by socialist multicultural government 

Again you are wrong. It is not socialist but purely capitalist government. The thing is that now capitalism and big business are getting rid of expensive (for it) social benefits for people that had been introduced due to competition with socialist system. Sooner or later all that nice modern things as adequate job payments, payed vacations, 8-hour working day and other company obligations will be reduced. The capitalism without necessity of competition with other system returns to its usual condition.

12 hours ago, vilas said:

i checked prices in Russia - you have 30% cheaper cars , really, Suzuki Vitara 4x4 automatic gear costs in Russia circa 66 000 Polish Zlotys, in Poland ... 98 000 PLN (4.3 PLN = 1 Euro) 

Strange. From what I've checked - prices in Russia are higher because of nightmare customs fees. Models that are cheaper than in EU are usually locally produced and often have reduced list of available engines and options. And the price may be lower because of RUR exchange rate - it is very low to Euro and USD because of our central bank. Oh and don't forget that car here may be a surprise because of poor maintenance and use of cheapest spare parts, oil and shitty fuel.

 

12 hours ago, vilas said:

i found that Russia has Dacia Duster 4x4 automat - we do not have cause damn EU made "WLTP" directive which killed Fiat Tipo, Dacia Duster etc.

Forget about Dacia - it's a nightmare in case of safety and repairment. For example Dacia Logan, I have them on my work. After about 250K km mileage they become a trash can with everything broken. Hell, the gearbox in my Audi which has 485K km mileage (and I bet it had been reduced several times since its arrival in Russia in 1998, real mileage is 600K+) works 10 times better than in that Logans or Sandero.

12 hours ago, vilas said:

but if i wanted to buy car in Russia (outside EU) i have to pay ... 23% VAT tax, 10% custom tax 3%  excize tax , - 36 % price more

Pff... If I bring the same Audi I have now from Germany, with the price of the car itself about  2300 EUR I have to pay about 6100 EUR of customs fee. So next car I will buy will be registered in Abhasia. They have fixed 380 EUR customs fee and no taxes.

12 hours ago, vilas said:

another crap - in Germany people have 1.99 % anual rate for credit (source vw . de) in Poland ... 11 % , so having credit for 5-6 years i have to pay 25-30% of car to bank (in Germany only 8-9  %), how is it in Russia ?  damn banksters damn corporations damn EU 

If you take a dedicated car credit while buying new car from dealer - you have 5-11% rate. But your car remains as a bail and you can't sell it until you pay the whole credit. So in case of serious accident you have both debt and a pile of junk that had been your car earlier. And if you want to get usual cash credit - the rate is 19-40%. Such things are not only because of greed of local bankers but also because of higher unreturned credit amounts in our countries than in Germany. Like it or not, but all unreturned credits that are written off are compensated by higher rates.

[vilas 473]

@spooky lynx

 

1) nope, in west they have socialism - they have benefits and people who do not work can live quite good without working - for example all those jihadi islamic extremists  - they do not work, they live from taxes having many children plus they get flats free from the state - it is socialism , not capitalism, in capitalism noone gets benefits if he doesn't want to work

for example this guy : https://www.therebel.media/uk_anjem_choudary_to_be_given_house_and_benefits_after_prison

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279972/Anjem-Choudary-Hate-preacher-pocketing-25-000-year-benefits-calls-fanatics-live-state.html

this is pure socialism , those people do not work, but middle class has more and more taxes to pay such guys for not working

it is socialism , nowadays capitalism in EU almost doesn't exist, everything is state-regulated, benefits are paid to non-working people

 

law in our countries is such that if you have flat (owner) and you hire flat and person who hires flat stops paying and there is winter or that person is pregnant than... you cannot fire them, simply they do not pay and you cannot fire those people - it is socialism , and regulations on market - we even cannot buy car that we want because of "CO2 emissions standards"

 

2) cars prices - maybe due to Rubel exchange rate, prices that i took were from renault . ru, vw . ru, suzuki . ru - brand new cars from dealer, not old cars,

i calculated prices and i found that i could buy brand new Suzuki Vitara 4x4 automatic for the same money that in the UE we can buy cheaper version of Opel Corsa

Renault/Dacia Duster 4x4 automatic - 1 milion Rubels in Russia , it is 51 000 PLN, in Poland for 51 PLN you can buy... Fiat 500 or ... maybe Kia Picanto, second had 5 years old Skoda Yeti costs 49 000 (used car) , new Opel Corsa is 64 000 PLN, new VW Polo is ca 65 000 PLN - so ... Duster 4x4 in automatic gear is 15 000 cheaper in Kaliningrad than in EU , Skoda CityGo maybe costs the same price as Duster 4x4 automatic in Kalinigrad,

but if i buy this car in Kaliningrad - i cannot register it in EU due to Euro6C standard it has, now EU demands cars to be Euro6D and soon Euro7 - crap.. oh and almost 40% of tax

 

3) about France and madness of the west :

 

https://dorzeczy.pl/swiat/88934/Szokujace-slowa-bylego-ministra-Ograniczenie-liczby-urodzin-pozwoliloby-lepiej-przyjac-migrantow.html

 

https://niezalezna.pl/252888-szok-francuski-polityk-niezle-odlecial-przestancie-sie-rozmnazac-trzeba-przyjac-migrantow

 

french politician said that whites should not have children to give place to migrants - guy calls for white genocide - they are crazy , they are really crazy

 

first they refused to name street after policeman killed by muslim terrorists, now their polician says that whites should not have children so there will be place for migrants, btw. Africa since 1970 tripled its population,  they have 300% population growth since 1970 or 1975, we have 10% since WW2 or 1960s

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwBeDgMU0AEVcK0.jpg

 

[lordfrith 401]

 

5 hours ago, vilas said:

nope, in west they have socialism

 

you seem so certain :D i am in the 'west'. We are very capitalist thanks, pretty consistently so for the last 40 years.

To prove the point i could keep insisting to you that Hungary is a feudal matriarchy and your president is a hedgehog called Terry despite what you, as a (i'm guessing) Hungarian, know. See how strange that seems?

 

5 hours ago, vilas said:

for example all those jihadi islamic extremists

 

 thats actually a tiny, tiny amount of people compared to indigenous benefit cheats anywhere in the west. Or do you just mean any muslims? i hope not.

 

Basic healthcare and poverty support is the watermark of a civilised nation, not a socialist one. The challenge is getting it to the right people. The 'terrorist benefits cheats' argument is deployed by people who want to harness your anger for their own ends, and we will be the ones that suffer for it, not the 'terrorists'. First they attack the welfare system then they start introducing dodgy laws like 'compulsory overtime'. sound familiar? ;)

 

5 hours ago, vilas said:

cars prices

 

hardly anyone can afford new cars. Many people don't own much other than debt. welcome to the west ;)

 

5 hours ago, vilas said:

we even cannot buy car that we want because of "CO2 emissions standards"

 

i kind of agree with this: i'm a tradesman and the new EU emissions laws seemed to be designed to boost car sales rather than effect emissions. A lot of tradesmen like me are running and maintaining older vans (which is to my mind less wasteful) and we gonna get hammered when these new laws come in. And yeah many of us won't be able to afford anew vehicle so many of us will be forced in more debt buying shit on finance. that is because the EU is CAPITALIST.

 

Even the stuff you're talking about (gender neutral firemen etc) is big business as lawyers are gonna be able to charge a shit ton of money to everyone by pretending to make sense of it

 

5 hours ago, vilas said:

they are crazy , they are really crazy

 

i'm sure this is something we can all agree on :D

 

On 1/6/2019 at 9:29 AM, vilas said:

the  same when in Hungary people voted Orban than EU makes big protest about "lack of democracy", where is democracy in France when taxpayers are opressed and beaten by socialist multicultural government 

 

try a similar scale protest with Ordan and i'd guess you'd pretty quickly see where the democracy in france is.

 

Is there even a coherent agenda to the yellow vests? seems to be different everyone i speak to and i'm left with a general impression of 'down with this sort of thing'. how to you placate a protest that can't agree what its protesting?

 

 

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[vilas 473]

"try a similar scale protest with Ordan and i'd guess you'd pretty quickly see where the democracy in france is."

 

who will protest against Orban ? George Soros agent ?  bank owners ? bank managers or corporations managers that want corporations to not pay taxes, or maybe jihadists and far left loonies demanding gay adoption and sharia  for Christian kids ? 

 

"hardly anyone can afford new cars."

lol , when i visited Vienna being on trip to Alps - i seen only new cars, cars maybe 5 years old, while in my fatherland Poland people buy 20 years old cars from Germany or Italy or other countries (where those cars had accidents and often were stamped "not to be used in road traffic" by TUV ) 

[Tonci87 163]

So you base your opinion on your visit to one city of that country? The Capital city that is known to be quite expensive e.g. only the wealthy can afford to live there and pay for car parking?

If I go to Berlin I will also see many new shiny luxurious cars driving around. What do you think I see in my city that is still among the fifty biggest cities of Germany? Basically the same cars that are driving around in Poland. Trust me, I know. My Girlfriend is from Poland and I have visited a few times. Germany France, the UK, all "western" countries have drifted more and more into hardcore capitalism during the last two decades. It has come to the point where workers will not speak up about shitty conditions because they fear that they will be terminated. Everybody who has a job is mostly happy to have one, even if he doesn´t like it. The french governments have been a bit late to the Neo Capitalism party and are now trying to rush things. Didn´t go down too well with the french people who are now protesting.

Based on your writings I always have the impression, that you are getting your news from sources with an agenda behind it. Xenophobia, Neocapitalism and Neoliberalism, etc.

Maybe you should fact check the news you receive, because there seems to be a lot there that is simply untrue.

 

[vilas 473]

lol, when my countrymen go to west they say "so many welfare benefits, such big labor support, such big child family care welfare" etc.

you have more welfare than we had before 1989 , your labor codes protect worker/employee 10 times more than our labor code and you call it capitalism ?

you work 35 h/week while we work 48,

you have super medical care while we have to pay for many things,

you have protection against being fired from job without any reason while we don't ,

you have in your markets kindergardens for employee while in our (not our - yours because we have German, French and British ) supermarkets cashiers had to wear pampers cause they were not allowed to go to WC "to not waste time"

you have benefits/welfare  for families which we do not have - i know what my colleagues from school say when they emigrated to work in west - they say that they earn 5 times more and everything is funded by the state - you have more socialism than you realize , you simply do not realize it  , capitalism is in the USA , not in Europe, in Europe there is all controlled by the state, calling it capitalism is mistake, because in EU there is socialism and there was no problems till native worked when lots of migrants came making terror attacks and not working - economical problems came too because taxes that were been collected so far were not enough , plus corporations moved production to China (jobs in Europe gone, many things are produced in China ) so people have less money because there is no such big production in Europe as it used to be, almost every t-shirt, shirt, trousers in this world are made in China or Indonesia , of course socialists which lead EU are corrupted / bribed so they do not touch neither banksters nor corporations, they only tax usual people more and more and more , there are 2 levels of laws, one for usual citizens , second for corporations and banksters,

whole EU paid for banks when those banksters made crisis, whole EU allowed to be flooded by islam when USA bombed and destroyed tyrans which kept extgreme islam under boot , you may call me xenophobic i do not care, for us nationalism is okay and good - because it keeps us safe from rapes on streets, terror acts, shooting pedestrians buy guys shouting "allah akbar" , knife attacks by bearded "allah akbars" etc.

i want to be rich, healthy and safe - i do not care that you call it xenophobia or racism or whatever, i want safety on my street, i want my property to be safe and not destroyed, dammaged or taken from me (by too big taxes), while EU deals with "gender" "multiculturalism" etc. people are taxed more and more, soon after all those crazy CO2 "environment" eco-terror we all have price of energy rise, in Poland they say we gonna have even 70% higher prices of electricity - it is madness,

half of price of fuel is taxes, it is madness ,

1/3 of price of car is taxes, it is madness ,

people have less and less money to pay those who do not work but have 5 kids and pray to allah , in case of Poland new reforms also rised welfare benefits and we already have problems that some percent of people do not work but take "child support" and drink for it,

one thing that is not "less" are taxes , we have less money in EU because taxes rise ,

soon every european gonna have higher cars prices, higher electricity prices, because of this mad EU soon electricity prices will rise for 70% in Poland due to evil "EU CO2 issues", i do not want to pay twice more for electricity because some ultra-left eco-terrorists from communist parties say about environment , i want to pay less taxes, not twice more,

i know what socialism results - i lived in such system and my parents - terror , opression, political police beating and shooting and torturing oposition, confiscation of property,

we had communism from 1944 , they tortured and executed people for other political views (for patriotism, for capitalism, for having big property, for Catholicism), we had Stalin terror and after Stalin era we also had terror from commies, they were not allowing to rise private enterpronous people, they controlled all, they controlled who can get flat or truck etc.

my family had property confiscated and was imprisoned till 1958 , i know what is socialism , it leads to poverty because if people get things free - who want to work ? only suckers and idiots work when everything is "given" by the state , if people have to work to buy something - than it motivate people,

my family had over 200 ha of land in east before 1939 (now Belaruss) and commies came, confiscated it and put my family to Syberia , this is socialism,

house of my family was given to Militia officer "because he needed it more" - this is socialism, and after everything was "given by state" , in early 60s in Poland you couldn't have truck, trucks were controlled by state and there was special legal regulation who (except state) can have truck , farmers had to apply to buy car... buy car in socialism ... lol, cars were produced and people get "bills" to "buy" it , they had to wait and if someone was in communist party he was given such "bill to get car" first ,

if someone was active in Catholic church he was oppostion and he was neither given flat nor car nor washing machine etc.

communism is idea that many EU commisars praised in their youth - they were in their countries communist organizations, some of them were formally in communist organizations , EU is heading into neo-marxism uthopia that will only end in civil war with society

 

[spooky lynx 73]

5 hours ago, vilas said:

 

lol, when my countrymen go to west they say "so many welfare benefits, such big labor support, such big child family care welfare" etc.

you have more welfare than we had before 1989 , your labor codes protect worker/employee 10 times more than our labor code and you call it capitalism ?

 

After several months of sexual abstinence every woman will be like a Miss Universe  The same goes to Poland: its wild capitalism like in late 18th - early 19th centuries and corruption does not make western European system socialist. That's just a contrast between the bad and the worst. And all that benefits and support in EU - they aren't constant and may be reduced or even removed. Just because now the government and business may say "Workers in Laos or Bangladesh are ready to work hard just for a couple of cents and a glass of soup, why should we pay you more? Migrants are ready to work for smaller payment because they have to feed their families left in their poor countries, why should we give a job to you instead of them or pay more than them?". And several decades earlier they thought "Damn, the workers in USSR get a descent payment, have payed vacations and other benefits, law protection, we have to introduce something equal too to reduce the socialism popularity here". Feel the difference?

 

[vilas 473]

in USSR ""Damn, the workers in USSR get a descent payment, have payed vacations and other benefits, law protection, we have to introduce something equal too to reduce the socialism popularity here". Feel the difference?"

 

i do not know USSR , i know Poland and what was in time of my parents and grandparents:

- people had problems for going to church,

- political police was killing people who supported other views like oposition,

- property was confiscated,

- state-owned stuff was given to commies, if you liked right wing, was church-patriot, you could not get flat, car, washing machine etc.

- there were political prisons, where people were tortured and executed (especially patriotic guerillas from WW2 which fought with Nazis),

- crisis was so big that shops were empty in 80s , there was problem to get toilet paper,

- state control of thoughts, opinions, cenzorship in press, no freedom, no freedom to movement abroad if you want, passports were given "for those who serve commies"

- no elections, no democracy, no possibility to choice anything,

- production was state-limited, state was deciding what to produce and what not , for example state decided that there cannot be sport cars because "they look to western" and they quited manufacturer from enter Syrena Sport (in my addon P85 cars)

- my mother was in Solidarity and she was ... evicted from flat, she was homeless after Martial Law was established, for 2 years Jan 1982 till 1984/1985 she was homeless cause communist judge evicted her by legal sentence , there was no private flats, all belonged to state , flats were given by decision of state, first they were given to communist party members and to police (militia) and army personell,

- a friend of mine (now 65 years old) was daughter of early opposition activist, her father was cooperant of Cardinal Wyszyński, cardinal of Catholic church in 50-60s and she was told by secret police that "she will finish no university, noone will hire you , noone, anyone who will help you will have troubles" - such was communists treated person because she was daughter of close cooperant of cardinal of catholic church, repressions for families of opposition ,

- 50s was era of terror, many thousands people were killed, number of Poles killed during post WW2 Stalin-era regime till 1956 is estimated between 80 000 and 100 000 people (40% of officers in Stalin's secret police administration were Jews from USSR , 20% Russians, only 40% of workers of terror era police were Polish nationality),

- state controlled ownership of goods as said before, for example to buy and have private truck people need to have agreement from government agency , you couldnt simply buy truck , you had to apply for it, get it , pay for it and than they controlled how you use it till 60s,

- salaries were regulated by state, no matter if  you are PhD, MSc or 8-class primary school - you earned by prescribed table, my older friends who are now 65 years old were engineers-constructors in one factory and they earned less than worker without secondary school, despite they had MSc , insane

 

i do not know if people were jealous of USSR citizens, rather were happy that noone shoots them , noone imprisons them because for example their parents were nobles or had big factory which was confiscated or because they criticized ruling (not elected) government , people who laughed when Stalin died were executed and tortured , noone in west was tortured for being happy that politician from other party died , you should remember that communism brought to world 170 milions of victims, Stalin , PolPot, Mao, Kims etc

there are movies how socialism looked like before 1989 

 

[Tonci87 163]

13 hours ago, vilas said:

lol, when my countrymen go to west they say "so many welfare benefits, such big labor support, such big child family care welfare" etc.

you have more welfare than we had before 1989 , your labor codes protect worker/employee 10 times more than our labor code and you call it capitalism ?

you work 35 h/week while we work 48,

you have super medical care while we have to pay for many things,

you have protection against being fired from job without any reason while we don't ,

you have in your markets kindergardens for employee while in our (not our - yours because we have German, French and British ) supermarkets cashiers had to wear pampers cause they were not allowed to go to WC "to not waste time"

you have benefits/welfare  for families which we do not have - i know what my colleagues from school say when they emigrated to work in west - they say that they earn 5 times more and everything is funded by the state - you have more socialism than you realize , you simply do not realize it  , capitalism is in the USA , not in Europe, in Europe there is all controlled by the state, calling it capitalism is mistake, because in EU there is socialism and there was no problems till native worked when lots of migrants came making terror attacks and not working - economical problems came too because taxes that were been collected so far were not enough , plus corporations moved production to China (jobs in Europe gone, many things are produced in China ) so people have less money because there is no such big production in Europe as it used to be, almost every t-shirt, shirt, trousers in this world are made in China or Indonesia , of course socialists which lead EU are corrupted / bribed so they do not touch neither banksters nor corporations, they only tax usual people more and more and more , there are 2 levels of laws, one for usual citizens , second for corporations and banksters,

whole EU paid for banks when those banksters made crisis, whole EU allowed to be flooded by islam when USA bombed and destroyed tyrans which kept extgreme islam under boot , you may call me xenophobic i do not care, for us nationalism is okay and good - because it keeps us safe from rapes on streets, terror acts, shooting pedestrians buy guys shouting "allah akbar" , knife attacks by bearded "allah akbars" etc.

i want to be rich, healthy and safe - i do not care that you call it xenophobia or racism or whatever, i want safety on my street, i want my property to be safe and not destroyed, dammaged or taken from me (by too big taxes), while EU deals with "gender" "multiculturalism" etc. people are taxed more and more, soon after all those crazy CO2 "environment" eco-terror we all have price of energy rise, in Poland they say we gonna have even 70% higher prices of electricity - it is madness,

half of price of fuel is taxes, it is madness ,

1/3 of price of car is taxes, it is madness ,

people have less and less money to pay those who do not work but have 5 kids and pray to allah , in case of Poland new reforms also rised welfare benefits and we already have problems that some percent of people do not work but take "child support" and drink for it,

one thing that is not "less" are taxes , we have less money in EU because taxes rise ,

soon every european gonna have higher cars prices, higher electricity prices, because of this mad EU soon electricity prices will rise for 70% in Poland due to evil "EU CO2 issues", i do not want to pay twice more for electricity because some ultra-left eco-terrorists from communist parties say about environment , i want to pay less taxes, not twice more,

i know what socialism results - i lived in such system and my parents - terror , opression, political police beating and shooting and torturing oposition, confiscation of property,

we had communism from 1944 , they tortured and executed people for other political views (for patriotism, for capitalism, for having big property, for Catholicism), we had Stalin terror and after Stalin era we also had terror from commies, they were not allowing to rise private enterpronous people, they controlled all, they controlled who can get flat or truck etc.

my family had property confiscated and was imprisoned till 1958 , i know what is socialism , it leads to poverty because if people get things free - who want to work ? only suckers and idiots work when everything is "given" by the state , if people have to work to buy something - than it motivate people,

my family had over 200 ha of land in east before 1939 (now Belaruss) and commies came, confiscated it and put my family to Syberia , this is socialism,

house of my family was given to Militia officer "because he needed it more" - this is socialism, and after everything was "given by state" , in early 60s in Poland you couldn't have truck, trucks were controlled by state and there was special legal regulation who (except state) can have truck , farmers had to apply to buy car... buy car in socialism ... lol, cars were produced and people get "bills" to "buy" it , they had to wait and if someone was in communist party he was given such "bill to get car" first ,

if someone was active in Catholic church he was oppostion and he was neither given flat nor car nor washing machine etc.

communism is idea that many EU commisars praised in their youth - they were in their countries communist organizations, some of them were formally in communist organizations , EU is heading into neo-marxism uthopia that will only end in civil war with society

 

 

 

Again, so many untrue things it´s incredible and I won´t go into everything.

 

In my company people work 45 hour weeks. The "normal" amount would be 40. I know very few people who work 35 hour weeks.

We have protection about being fired from our jobs in theory. I practice there are so many loopholes that if your boss wants you gone, he will have a way to fire you without many issues.

It is news to me that we have kindergardens in our supermarkets, or even for the employees of supermarkets. The Supermarket employees I know work very hard, and very long hours, with unpaid overtime, and get a really shitty salary out of it that is barely adequate to get through the month. God help you if your car dies and you have to get a new one, because you have no savings.

 

Corrupt politicians is a different issue altogether, and one that is real.

 

Your Xenophobia is worrying. I live in Germany my whole life, often I have lived in, or visited areas that would be considered the bad part of town. Do you know how many times I have been raped, mugged, blown up, or heard somebody yell Allahu akbar?

 

ZERO

 

I can go right now, in the dark, to the worst part of one of the biggest towns in Germany with over 90% immigrant population and take a walk. I´m pretty confident that I will be OK.

My Girlfriends family is from a pretty bad part of a town in Poland. When I visited I was advised to tuck my little gold chain under my shirt, since it would almost certainly get stolen. I´m also advised not to come with my own car. And that in a neighborhood full of white, christian Poles. Great! So much for a feeling of safety....

 

Maybe you should stop listening to whoever you have been listening to, or stop reading whatever you have been reading on the internet, and come to Germany yourself. See how it is.

You think it is easy here? Good luck.

 

[vilas 473]

I am misinformed , lol, maybe you are misinformed:

check those lists and find one mistake in them :

 

https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/attacks/attacks.aspx?Yr=Last30

https://www.foxnews.com/world/timeline-of-recent-terror-attacks-against-the-west

https://www.conservapedia.com/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

 

I talk about west  so you say I am misinformed

 

and returning to EU craziness - in last year we were told that there will be extra governmental funds to "electrical cars" - of course from taxes, electrical cars are very very expensive and this is how this craziness works  - taxpayers will pay the most rich people buying Tesla cars ,

taxpayers work to pay welfare benefits to non-working lazy people, taxpayers pay to pay banksters and taxpayers fund exclusive "ecological" stuff to the most rich ,

it is crazy, taxpayers only work and work and work and get ass kicked in the name of "equality" and "environment protection" , for sure it is not free competition market neither capitalism , it is weird form of half-socialism half-idiotism which is nowadays in EU, usual people who work pay for both lazy non-working and for most rich , difference between it and feudalism is that in feudalism lazy never-working never get anything,

 

[Tonci87 163]

I am not disputing that EU politicians are doing a terrible job. However, you should check how many Muslims live in Europe, and compare that with how many Muslims have committed terror attacks in Europe.  The percentage is minuscule. 

As I said, I can feel actually safer walking through a majority Muslim, quite bad part of town here, than I would walking to a bad part of town in Poland.

But now I see from what kind of sources you get your news from, and I am not surprised. Foxnews? Conservapedia? The Religion of Peace.com?

Do you not see that those kinds of sources have very obvious agendas? BTW, one of those agendas is to blame everything on foreigners and direct the frustration and anger of the population, that should be rightfully aimed at our dear politicians, CEOs, and bankers, towards an unloved minority group. Very easy to do.

Unfortunately many people fall for it. You included. 

No foreigner has ever done anything bad to you. Judging by Poland Demographic, you can probably count the foreigners you are acquainted to personally on one hand. Your politicians have done plenty bad stuff to you and to your fellow countrymen. And yet here you are, being mad about foreigners instead of asking yourself why your politicians (who have never done anything good to you) want you to be mad at foreigners. That is silly.