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I'm not sure if we can call it self-defense anymore. For me, defence stops at our borders, and attack begins past it. It's a war, and we should finally acknowledge it.

 

Yes, it is a war. Or rather - there should be a real-deal war against IS. Although this word kinda changed his meaning lately. Not only to defense our own homes, but also all the people suffering due to the IS there.  Self-defense for me ends, where it becomes exaggerated comparing to the threat, we defend ourselves from, geography has not much to do here, it's not just about trying to avoid strikes, but about effective threat neutralization, no less, no more. If someone is shooting at people on the street, self-defence is not only about "dodging the bullets", but to make him stop. Even, if for that I have to leave my home to reach him. 

 

 

 

It's a group with obvious interests in power and wealth, otherwise they wouldn't act like that. 

 

Unless they're after all truly motivated but this, about which You don't want to talk more. It's name isn't meaningless, if that's the truth, what we can read about life there now. Thing is, we (I at least) don't know much about IS backstage beyond some common data. Frankly to me, without such knowledge, they act kinda weird. What was a good defense of terrorist organizations? Beeing hard to hit, like a smoke. Now they have own territory, own organization, structures, all the things, conventional military force can hit, like they made themselves vulnerable on conventional warfare... Yet, so far it was limited to air strikes somehow, except natives resistance, Kurds and such. I feel something very shady and shameful behind the scenes.

 

 

 

My idea to get rid of them is blocking their supply channels and let them dry out. 

 

 It may cost common people still living there too much. Also with them any delay may and likely will cost another lives, they take in the meantime. At the end they may just start mass killings from revenge and to limit IS supply needs. Anything possible to these barbarians. I would prefer, although not easy, thorough combined offensive, from-door-to-door kind, if that's necessary to sift off IS from regular population with minimal casaulties. If they made themself like regular country, our armies, suited just for such kind of warfare, now can hit and break them better, than when they're was just partisan-like shadow network. Last time, I checked, regular armies made good progress against Boko Haram in Africa for example. Don't seem wise to me, but apparently all they in the end want establishing such "caliphates". 

 

 

 

just hypothetically, ignite WW2 conflicts between the Polish and Germans or French and Germans again. I'm pretty sure in every country are people who still thirst for revenge. 

 

Kinda wide topic, as for original WWII, Seems the Second was inevitable after the First, where was said about Versaille Treaty, it's not a peace, but 20 years of truce. I mean, casuality rules. One thing lead to another through all the history, subsequent events aren't isolated happenings, but part of a chain. Same is there. So if we want to solve problem really and permanently, we must to learn, what exactly is going on there and caused by what past. To grasp the whole picture. It's like in scripting :P . If you want to improve or change some script, you has to understand, how it works as a whole, or you'll changing things blindly, unwittingly breaking all even more. I obviously have no idea, so only can throw some generalities and guesses on the internet. 

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Muslim countries is actually doing something. At least with thier limited resoruces. On the other hand, the powerful Gulf states are igniting the rfire even more. Saudi-Arabian financers frequently support ISIS, the state of Qatar openly supports the Hamas.

 

from this sentence i hear 2 opposite things - poor  muslim countries oppose but ... which ? Saudi Arabia , which ? aa secular-Christian-Buddist Saudi Arabia, Iran, Quatar, Emirates....

why those moderate do not oppose effectively against radicals if radicals are such minority

 

 

ignite WW2 conflicts between the Polish and Germans or French and Germans again

German politicians forcing us to pay for "refugees" plus German leftists (native ?) telling us to pay for muslims that want to behead us and build them flats for which we need to take 30 years credit loan in German bank which transfers proft to Germany to build there new school for local German kids ... with Mr Schultz sitting on first EU-Army Leopard 2A7 tank invading us with Merkel laying on us fee of 0.2 GDP (proposals of German politicians for not taking muslims) because we are "racists" (new far left name for  those who are not far-left) because "only" dozen percent muslims (different sources mediana) support jihadists , ISIS , extreme (dozen percent in leftist mouth sounds "nearly zero" "almost noone" "it is exagerated")

because leftists ignore and deny facts and call other idiots, nazis, racists (of course abusing definition of what is racism, nazism, genocide etc) because leftists from Germany again have need to lead Europe (to self destruction) together with some Swedish selfdestructive suicidal people

 

And how many drone or bomber pilots shout "thank God" when they managed to hit what they think is a valuable target, killing bystanders in the process? The Middle Eastern people perceive our bombs as much as terror as we do theirs. It works both ways.

 

 

 

i wonder if anyone asked those bystanders "do you think that infidels should die" "do you think world should be following Prophet and it has to be forced" what would they answer

drone program is of course US politics part but we do not know how many our lives were saved because of it but apart from our lives, i agree only on 1 thing with you - US is to blame for it the most,

because US politics is "lets make mess in one place, second people will have to deal, okay, move back before shit will hit us"

one guy was kicked, second guy get a kick from first guy - third guy who made it is safe behind ocean and counts dollars,

from the other hand - if not this US politics - we do not know IF caliphate would not been much much stronger (what Talibs would do in 2005, 2007 if not 9/11 and aftermatch intervention)

lets imagine US not reacted in 2001 (you will say lets imagine that few US, British companies not get there in 40s/50s , not removed governments , if not few German and French weapons dealers selling there all higtech to theocrats)

but what if ?

 

you denied facts many times when those facts do not meet your vision, you were saying that there must be open border, not control, and pass and allow anyone get into EU (than resign from wealth to share with them denying there are lazy people who do not want to work amongt them) etc.

those things kill Europeans 

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I just have to post on this. As an American citizen, I have to admit that I feel a bit ashamed of our president in the manner of slow and reluctant response to this growing threat that affects the entire planet. I can't help but think of the thousands of tanks, and other state of the art equipment we have just sitting in parking lots unused, while Iraq is being torn up by Isis, allied countries are coming under more and more attacks, and the only real response is only the safest route for our own sake, while the weak military forces of Iraq and other nearby areas are clearly unable to defeat the enemy without ground assistance. What has happened just recently is unspeakable, and as horrid as this is, imagine what life must be like for the thousands upon thousands of people that are trapped in Isis controlled territory.

 

the isssue is in your (not voted) economical elites , guys from "nwo, Bilderberg Club" etc. - guys whom you cannot outvote, guys who own FED etc.

they create wars, they make mess - you even cannot stop them by any voting , politicians are their puppets (from both parties)  change maybe  would be new people in politics, independed from big corporations, but who can finance and allow them to media owned by corporations

this is problem - how to change (replace) elites , cause later we founding out that real power are not governments , presidents, people voted

but few businesmen who meet in "Bilderberg Club"

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I feel something very shady and shameful behind the scenes.

 

hehe, conspiracy theory say that "NWO" wants to turn world into Year 1984, so they need war - they want pusth muslim world on us to make mess here in EUROPE (NOT IN USA) maybe all debts (economical system) is so fake that soon baloon will blow up (how can economy work when we know that all is on debt and some countries cross GDP in some countries)

i try to use logic to different theories, i try to not deny and not throw away any theories , leftists deny it and laugh from it, truth will show but in 2030 i hope we will be alive and safe and wealth than (i mean not starving homeless),

 

t the end they may just start mass killings from revenge and to limit IS supply needs. Anything possible to these barbarians. I would prefer, although not easy, thorough combined offensive, from-door-to-door kind, if that's necessary to sift off IS from regular population with minimal casaulties.

what if population support is 30% ?

can we eliminate 30% ? what if it is like 20% support or 30% support, 20-30% passive agree "because it is like prophed said" and only 40% against ? i do not know exact numbers, but in Christianity extreme is 0.1% and even such extreme doesn't say about murdering all , in islam extreme seems to be more than dozen percents (polls, votes, published by several sources where dozen percent support ISIS even among living there, even among born here, even among natives who converted),

for me best solution is big wall  behind our and other civilisation - they prefer other life , we cannot murder 30% of them because for example such ISIS , jihad, radical islam may have such large support (in some areas maybe much bigger)

but we can simply build wall and let everyone lives by his way, of course if they gonna attack us - we must have countermeasures and we cannot allow them to have atomic arsenal ,

leftist deny this all of course, call it nazism want to penalize for it, put to prisons etc.

when in 2030 they will be beheaded than first thing they will say will be "shame we didn't shoot all bigots, they made poor innocent muslism so opressed and offended"

they won't say "shit, they were telling this decade ago, why we not listened  , why we not stopped it"

leftist in 2030 will start quoting old testament and talmud (which is not Christianity) saying "evil racists Christians are the same" when radical (dozen percent, not majority) will set sharia above them (and of course passive 20% will not oppose cause "maybe this is will of Allah, we cannot discuss such things if it is good or bad , it is will of god , not human" )

when in 2029 as reaction on more and more sharia patrols, no go zones, violence, riots (falling economy) in Europe skinheads will get illegal weapons and shooting , they will be first target for remaining police of United States of Socialistic European Regions (not nations, cause nation is racist and xenophobic word) i am afraid that in 2030 in parliaments of many western countries "sharia party" will have 30% votes and when win, than Minister of Defence next day gonna use atomic button  to launch rockets against remaining Christian states (like Poland will be, lik Hunagry, like Slovakia) Russia of course will demolish them but ... we will not be able to see it than remainiing on artificial heart, breathing 110 years old George Soros will say "i finally made it" and last free feminist (not enslaved ) will say "how good that opression of Catholic primitiva males ended" than knife will cut here head (cause she is too ugly to be sex slave) Americans probably than will have weapons taken away "look what happened there  we must prevent it we will secure you those who will not give weapons away we will set signal via chips to disable brain function", in Saudi Arabia probably nothing will change, in North Korea too , maybe Africa will have 500% population growth , maybe last safe place would be Australia and Southern America and of course China, they will not allow anyone fuck with them

 

 

Don't seem wise to me, but apparently all they in the end want establishing such "caliphates".

 

for people with secular, half secular, agnostic etc. mentality living in west it is completly beyond understanding, because those people (like me) belive "i have one life only, i want my life to be safe, good, nice, fun, i want health, safety, property, good fun, i need security, freedoms, joy and help if i am ill or disabled"

for them "this life is meaningless moment , eternity is awaiting, this is not improtant if i am poor or rich, money means nothing, god means all, but to reach heaven i need to kill infidels, only law is prescribed in one book, there is no other truth, other law, other philosophy, there is just this one book and whoever oppose must be punished"

we canot win "soul and hearts" with bullets - we can eliminate those who believe and paralyze by fear rest to act against us , this is only thing we can do with bullets,

we could educate, show other ideas - but this is stopped by their rulers who know that only power they have is due to brainwash , without brainwash they loose power,

just like with North Korea - they believe they won world soccer championship cause actors played playing football , also they are only nation that landed on the Sun

if there would be war with North Korea and someone came to bring them freedom from opression -what would be reaction ? they belive they are chosen by sun, their leader is son of god, their leader invented all inventions, and they are the best and rest is crap,

now tell them "we came to bring you freedom, you do not won world championship , you are the worst team in footbal by the way and when we will help you will have debts in banks to pay for next 3 centuries"

 

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Holande said (according to our press) "Frenchmen were killing Frenchmen" - facepalm France is lost

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Francois-Hollande-Francja-jest-w-stanie-wojny,wid,17977423,wiadomosc.html

pathetic guy "Frenmen were killing Frechmen"

i ask - were they native Frenchmen  ?

where they ALL citizens of France with French roots ?

i heard info that 2 of them came from Syria, one from Belgium (imigant )

they not look like native French from photos

i cannot even try to feel what French patriots feel when their president says "Frenchmen were killing Frenchmen" about guys who are not Frenchmen but who appeared in Europe week ago or guy who came from other country where his parents came from Africa and lived from benefits or etc.

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Yes, it is a war. Or rather - there should be a real-deal war against IS. Although this word kinda changed his meaning lately. Not only to defense our own homes, but also all the people suffering due to the IS there.  Self-defense for me ends, where it becomes exaggerated comparing to the threat, we defend ourselves from, geography has not much to do here, it's not just about trying to avoid strikes, but about effective threat neutralization, no less, no more. If someone is shooting at people on the street, self-defence is not only about "dodging the bullets", but to make him stop. Even, if for that I have to leave my home to reach him. 

 

 

Unless they're after all truly motivated but this, about which You don't want to talk more. It's name isn't meaningless, if that's the truth, what we can read about life there now. Thing is, we (I at least) don't know much about IS backstage beyond some common data. Frankly to me, without such knowledge, they act kinda weird. What was a good defense of terrorist organizations? Beeing hard to hit, like a smoke. Now they have own territory, own organization, structures, all the things, conventional military force can hit, like they made themselves vulnerable on conventional warfare... Yet, so far it was limited to air strikes somehow, except natives resistance, Kurds and such. I feel something very shady and shameful behind the scenes.

 

 

 It may cost common people still living there too much. Also with them any delay may and likely will cost another lives, they take in the meantime. At the end they may just start mass killings from revenge and to limit IS supply needs. Anything possible to these barbarians. I would prefer, although not easy, thorough combined offensive, from-door-to-door kind, if that's necessary to sift off IS from regular population with minimal casaulties. If they made themself like regular country, our armies, suited just for such kind of warfare, now can hit and break them better, than when they're was just partisan-like shadow network. Last time, I checked, regular armies made good progress against Boko Haram in Africa for example. Don't seem wise to me, but apparently all they in the end want establishing such "caliphates". 

 

 

Kinda wide topic, as for original WWII, Seems the Second was inevitable after the First, where was said about Versaille Treaty, it's not a peace, but 20 years of truce. I mean, casuality rules. One thing lead to another through all the history, subsequent events aren't isolated happenings, but part of a chain. Same is there. So if we want to solve problem really and permanently, we must to learn, what exactly is going on there and caused by what past. To grasp the whole picture. It's like in scripting :P . If you want to improve or change some script, you has to understand, how it works as a whole, or you'll changing things blindly, unwittingly breaking all even more. I obviously have no idea, so only can throw some generalities and guesses on the internet. 

 

Generally acceptable opinion, even if I don't agree about some points. One clarification: with drying out I meant in terms of weapons and ammunition. We know the routes, we know the suppliers (or at least that would finally be a useful job for our overpaid intelligence services). Let's stop importing oil from the IS and refuse to ship weapons to its partners. That measure would even be fourthcoming if we actually decide to drop ground troops. We cannot control what the Saudis do with all the equipment they bought from us, but we can control what equipment we're selling and to whom. Metaphorically spoken: a Jihad warrior with sticks and stones is much less of a threat than one with an AK47. And they don't yet seem to be strong enough to have that kind of eco system to produce weapons and ammunition in the scale needed to defend their territories.

 

I also think the Islam is being exploited by ISIS in order ot oppress the locals. Whether or whether not many of them share various ideas of the conservative Islam, they follow, even if just not to be killed. If you were to live in a village in Iraq and one day ISIS knocks on your door and says "follow or die", you will most likely follow. I feel it was similar with communism and the Soviet Union. I'm not an expert, but I sense many people were rather living in strong oppression than really standing for the Soviet ideas. They bowed before the power. Seeing how some of the refugees here welcome the freedoms and laws we have (most iconic and of course not necessarily representative case for me was a Syrian woman which loved the fact that her husband cannot legally hurt her anymore because we have laws against domestic violence), I strongly think that ISIS rules with fear rather than loyalty. That is something to think about when considering where to put bombs. As a local, I probably wouldn't welcome the ISIS, but I also wouldn't welcome someone who drops bombs on my house, especially if it is far from any strategically important target. And in an essence, that is what happened in the Iraq war and in Afghanistan. The NATO cluster bombs destroyed cities, not only military bases.

 

By the way, the Taliban were vulnerable as well. As de-facto rulers they've established state-like structures in Afghanistan. The NATO invasion forced them to retreat so they went underground again. And now, after the withdrawal, they're back at the table. If we intervene like in Afghanistan, we need to expect decades of occupation and very slow progress. But I think that could actually work. I mean, the British occupants left my home town just a few years ago. Up to that date, it was the biggest British deployment in Germany. And we didn't even see them as occupants. They were respectful and had open days with shows and presentations from time to time. And even when some of the soldiers got drunk and caused trouble in a local bar, their own MP came, beat the shit out of them and took them back to base. Sure, it took 60 years to get there after WWII, but it seems possible. Mutual respect and the actual will to achieve peace provided.

 

Ah, I'm writing too much again. Never should have gone into the off-topic section... :)

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Well, my 2 cents then :

 

- all Muslims i know (and believe me, i know a bunch of them, working with them on a daily basis, some of them being Syrian refugees) are absolutely condemning what happened here, are very shocked and were proud to respect today's minute of silence (particularly foreigners); and of course several muslims are among the causalties ;

- but they (and i) aren't naive and know that there's a problem with Islam in France ATM, due to the lack of clergy : some mosques (a hundred of them) are under salafist or foreign countries financing and influences (mainly Morrocco, Qatar, Saudi Arabia etc.) : many French muslims and Imams have been asking for years for the closure of those ones, and the end of foreign influence and financing, as well as the explusion of foreign Imams and the end of Muslim brothers influence in Muslim representative authorities ;

- when you're at the far right, you can call everybody that disagree with you "leftists". I've never voted for the leftist parties in my country, i'm more on the "conservative liberal" side ;

 

Finally, Schengen has failed badly, countries used as Schengen borders are absolutely unable OR unwilling to play that role. Now that everybody can import weapons and terrorists in Europe without much problem, border controls MUST be reinstated inside European Union.

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I largely agreed to your points, or did I say something contrary here? I was just bored for a sec, checked the forums, saw these posts and decided to see if the people I quoted cannot only bitch around but also provide actual ideas. As expected, two of three haven't responded yet, that might change over time or if I poke a bit more. And the third one suggested bombing but is aware that it cannot work as long-term solution. Pretty much what I expected, and as you see, I'm not better by any standard. I fear, one of the problems in our societies is the lack of actual ideas to solve this. I justed wanted to know what ideas self-proclaimed anti-left people have. And even if some try to put me in that group every other day, I'm not fully left either. I don't like being put into categories. Anyway, patiently waiting for more ideas. I'm curiously looking for new input, that's all. :)

You shouldn't complain about people bitching. You are doing well with me :)

 

To be fair, you do tend to show a lot of leftist features. I would definitely put you in that group.

You really talk.. ehm, write like a friend of mine. Do you happen to live in Barcelona? :)

 

I just have to post on this. As an American citizen, I have to admit that I feel a bit ashamed of our president in the manner of slow and reluctant response to this growing threat that affects the entire planet. I can't help but think of the thousands of tanks, and other state of the art equipment we have just sitting in parking lots unused, while Iraq is being torn up by Isis, allied countries are coming under more and more attacks, and the only real response is only the safest route for our own sake, while the weak military forces of Iraq and other nearby areas are clearly unable to defeat the enemy without ground assistance. What has happened just recently is unspeakable, and as horrid as this is, imagine what life must be like for the thousands upon thousands of people that are trapped in Isis controlled territory. This is not just terrorism, this is becoming a war. I fear that as long as president Obama remains in office, our country will remain as inactive as possible in the fight to destroy this evil presence and effectively stand by whatever means in the aftermath of any liberated areas. I can usually eventually just let such political things go, but after hearing Obamas speech at the G20 meeting, I don't know, I wish he would just be removed from office and get a real leader in office that actually has the strength of character and integrity to take a stand for the sake of others and for the sake of doing what is right.

Hey, welcome. Good to see someone from the other side of the pond.

 

Obama is indeed a bit of a disappointment, but Carter wasn't much better for what I know. I think it's mostly typical of democrat presidents to be a bit loose in some situations; with the exception maybe of Clinton.

To be fair, the US does have some duties in Iraq, but I don't think it would be right to pretend everything. And I just keep wondering why we always have to rely on you guys. How about *us* taking a stand for the sake of others and for the sake of doing what is right? Especially, how about us taking a stand for our own sake?

 

As to the tanks, giving them to the Iraqi army can make more problems than it solves. They had tanks, and we know what happened. If you want to use tanks, better operate them yourselves.

 

How many topics do you need to discuss the exact same things, guys ?

very good point

 

Finally, Schengen has failed badly, countries used as Schengen borders are absolutely unable OR unwilling to play that role. Now that everybody can import weapons and terrorists in Europe without much problem, border controls MUST be reinstated inside European Union.

this is maybe less good. You can't blame Greece for being unable to handle all that mess, and leaving it on its own would be very unfair. A better solution would be to help them. That's what Frontex is for

 

Indeed I would suggest to move to another thread.

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this is maybe less good. You can't blame Greece for being unable to handle all that mess, and leaving it on its own would be very unfair. A better solution would be to help them. That's what Frontex is for

 

 

I'm not blaming anybody, as it's an impossible job. As it isn't not possible, and honestly a huge failure, inner European borders must come back.

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I'm not blaming anybody, as it's an impossible job. As it isn't not possible, and honestly a huge failure, inner European borders must come back.

ah, I thought you did.

But the point stays. You close the borders you leave the whole burden on Greece, maybe on the Balkans. The Greeks, the Croatians, the Slovenians, and the Serbians and the Macedonians didn't do anything to deserve this. They deserve help.

It's not impossible, it's very hard. All is needed is some will to do it. It's hard for me to believe that the whole union can't handle this.

 

EDIT: did Kerry do the whole speech in French? Wow, I'm impressed.

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ah, I thought you did.

But the point stays. You close the borders you leave the whole burden on Greece, maybe on the Balkans. The Greeks, the Croatians, the Slovenians, and the Serbians and the Macedonians didn't do anything to deserve this. They deserve help.

It's not impossible, it's very hard. All is needed is some will to do it. It's hard for me to believe that the whole union can't handle this.

I mostly agree with that. I'm not among those who think that the actual migrants problem is a source of terrorism, even if i understand the fear of some countries about it. Friday massacre show that most of the terrorists are French citizens, born in France. The migrants problem is more a source of far right and populism electoral victories across Europe, a very concerning problem if you ask me.

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You shouldn't complain about people bitching. You are doing well with me :)

 

To be fair, you do tend to show a lot of leftist features. I would definitely put you in that group.

You really talk.. ehm, write like a friend of mine. Do you happen to live in Barcelona? :)

 

Is our relationship now unique or something? Can't I argue with someone else if I want to? :D

 

Yes, I do. Though I oppose that good old coopted* society socialist countries tend to become to. And I strongly oppose giving up more freedom than I have to. I'm furthermore interested in the concept of stateless societies and nationalism is a loanword for me. I have actually no idea where I am in the classic political spheres. I do value a strong and solidary society that holds human lives higher than idiologies, capital, religions, or ethnics. But at the same time, I don't want to force anyone to be part of it. Socialism, humanism, libertarism - mix them as you like, I'm somewhere in between. Neo-left maybe? :)

 

No, I don't live in Barcelona but I've been there once. Beautiful and fun city. Take care with the food though. I wouldn't want go through that food-poisoning-and-missing-the-flight-home-due-to-hospital-stay again.

 

*I don't really know if that is the correct English term for "Gleichschaltung".

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Mainstream "liberal" media in Poland and their slogans

 

Belgian behind the attack. (Belg - a Belgian (person))

B29yo Belgian behind the attacks in Paris

Belgian was the mastermind behind the attacks

 

Was listening to the radio on the way home and one "liberal" guest in the studio said - Shame on you Belgium.

 

  :face_palm:

 

 

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I mostly agree with that. I'm not among those who think that the actual migrants problem is a source of terrorism, even if i understand the fear of some countries about it. Friday massacre show that most of the terrorists are French citizens, born in France. The migrants problem is more a source of far right and populism electoral victories across Europe, a very concerning problem if you ask me.

I am not sure it's very concerning, but it is a problem, yes. But closing the borders for that...you basically prove them right.

 

By the way, why isn't Le Pen shouting around?

 

Is our relationship now unique or something? Can't I argue with someone else if I want to? :D

Of course you can, I was just talking about your complaints about people bitching; it's surprising, as you are doing all right with a wonderful example of pain in the ass like me.

 

Yes, I do. Though I oppose that good old coopted* society socialist countries tend to become to. And I strongly oppose giving up more freedom than I have to. I'm furthermore interested in the concept of stateless societies and nationalism is a loanword for me. I have actually no idea where I am in the classic political spheres. I do value a strong and solidary society that holds human lives higher than idiologies, capital, religions, or ethnics. But at the same time, I don't want to force anyone to be part of it. Socialism, humanism, libertarism - mix them as you like, I'm somewhere in between. Neo-left maybe? :)

maybe we should make a difference between leftist opinions and communist dictatorship. It's not quite the same.

 

Gleichschaltung... interesting. DWDS defines it as "Menschen zwangsweise in eine bestimmte Richtung des Denkens lenken". Yet I don't think it's correct. Difficult to find a word to translate.

 

Anyway, way off topic.

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Of course you can, I was just talking about your complaints about people bitching; it's surprising, as you are doing all right with a wonderful example of pain in the ass like me.

 

maybe we should make a difference between leftist opinions and communist dictatorship. It's not quite the same.

 

You might be a pain, but at least one with a freshly neutral opinion. I feel you're not really idiological. Then again, it's just random dudes on the internet. Though this off topic section steals way too much of my time.

 

I was operating on the leftist-eristic-communist-rapist I was labeled by Vilas a few weeks ago. But yes, there are many shades of left and right, up and down. And yes, it is idiological and off topic. There is no right or wrong, it's all quite personal.

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I am not sure it's very concerning, but it is a problem, yes. But closing the borders for that...you basically prove them right..

You'll change your mind when terrorists coming from a nearby Schengen country and armed with weapons coming from the Balkan will slaughter your fellow citizens.

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because commies want state-less nation-less world - USSR , also commies wanted force ones to pay for others - it is commie behaviour and thinking

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caling this guy Belgian - lol, yea, typical Belgian 

 

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You'll change your mind when terrorists coming from a nearby Schengen country and armed with weapons coming from the Balkan will slaughter your fellow citizens.

Ah, so the problem is not the right wing populism.

 

You might disagree, but I can tell you they already did. Anything north of the Mediterranean is my business :). I don't know where the weapons came from though.

One thing we shouldn't do is to give up. If that is the approach, let's close everything down and go back to the old Europe of 40 years ago. After all we also had a lot of problems from the euro, and you have probably seen how most of Eastern Europe complains about France and Germany colonizing them. And they are not the only ones, actually. You might be aware of that.

Besides, if we do that Greece probably solves most of its problems.

 

That's a disappointment. Am I the only one who believes Europe can actually work?

 

EDIT (and off topic): vilas, is that your email address? It's not a good idea to put email addresses on the internet like that. I'm surprised that you did it.

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Ah, so the problem is not the right wing populism..

Lol. It isn't right wing populism to state what actually happened to my country. Right wing populism is the very goal of ISIS in Europe, as they intend to divide our democratic and multicultural countries, marginalizing local muslim population.

But border controls (which isn't closing borders, simply controling them efficiently) are unavoidable to fight back, Schengen is a fairy tale.

About Europe, it has close to no foreign policy and is a military dwarf, doing nothing against IS, UK and France set aside.

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EDIT (and off topic): vilas, is that your email address? It's not a good idea to put email addresses on the internet like that. I'm surprised that you did it.

this is email just for arma, ofp, not private one, not job one, 

my mail is worldwide know due to modding, 

when BIS was changing forum engine, i get email to restore password, i had to confirm password after forum change and... suddenly i have 2 accounts on this forum, one old and one with new small number of posts, sometimes browser logs me automatically on "gaming mail"  and due to this it logs me to "second account" created when i get email "restore password" after change of engine of this forum (i am modeler, not coder, so i am coding-dumb) 

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Lol. It isn't right wing populism to state what actually happened to my country. Right wing populism is the very goal of ISIS in Europe, as they intend to divide our democratic and multicultural countries, marginalizing local muslim population.

But border controls (which isn't closing borders, simply controling them efficiently) are unavoidable to fight back, Schengen is a fairy tale.

I have probably misunderstood something, but I think I get at least the main point now.

If it's about controlling borders then it's just like a police check. I am not sure how it is done now, but I heard borders were actually closed.

I can understand that these things are done in the emergency, it would be said to see them done permanently. I also doubt they will deliver a lot of results

 

 

About Europe, it has close to no foreign policy and is a military dwarf, doing nothing against IS, UK and France set aside.

Unfortunately I have to agree on the first part. It's driving me insane. But better if I stop here

 

I would like to comment on the second part.

First of all there are more countries taking part to the coalition, even if they limit their activities to Iraq

More importantly, honestly, thinking that trowing bombs at ISIS will be effective is wishful thinking. If we want to fight ISIS with bombs we will be done by 2050, only to find something worse after that, because we don't know how to fill the vacuum.

If that's the way, I'm afraid there are many other unfortunate events ahead of us. Paris is only the beginning. Close your borders, close your doors, close whatever you want, things are getting bad, that doesn't change. They are coming.

 

Final note, just out of pure respect: there is only one party actually doing something against ISIS, and that's the Kurds.

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While the hashtag #PrayForParis was prominent on social media and world religious leaders were praised for their condemnation of the attack, the Dalai Lama says the world must not ask God to fix man-made problems.

The Tibetan spiritual leader, speaking to German state broadcaster Deutsche Welle, said in reaction to the Paris attack:

    We cannot solve this problem only through prayers. I am a Buddhist and I believe in praying. But humans have created this problem, and now we are asking God to solve it. It is illogical. God would say, solve it yourself because you created it in the first place.

 

 

 

http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/what-the-dalai-lama-said-when-he-was-asked-whether-we-should-pray-for-paris--W1Nf_e7vKl

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The deadly arsenal discovered at home of French terror suspect gunned down in his car by special forces 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2301213/PICTURED-The-deadly-arsenal-discovered-home-French-terror-suspect-gunned-car-special-forces.html

 

Lots of specialized gear in his home.

 

Eh... Am I mistaken or there's an airsoft MP5 at the second photo (CM.0** letters at the box)?

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Driving through Calais cargo area. Hordes of thugs along the road with shanty seen from the window. Hungarian driver gets pissed off in ~05.00 minute

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