France General

[sudayev 27]

There are many topics about situation in France so I allowed myself to create this thread where we will focus on France-related discussions. Politics, recent events & lifestyle.

We will start with shocking news about terrorists attack on satyrical newspaper in Paris with at least 12 people shot dead and 10 severely wounded.

Gunmen attack French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo at Paris office, at least 12 dead

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883

[ProfTournesol 956]

Cartoonists fallen in the name of freedom of speech. May they rest in peace.

[Sooke 13]

I can't believe it.

What an awful day :(

[sudayev 27]

Meanwhile in the UK...

This is paranoia what's going in this country. Blurred images, media describe terrorists as "asian looking" and so on...

Political correctness and fanatical zealots of most peaceful religion are much worse than the biblical plagues these days :/

[mistyronin 1181]

I'm sorry, but what a S.O.B.!

I mean, if we can't even make jokes and fun of life without fearing being killed...

I just hope the aggressors will be caught soon.

IMHO all European newspapers should publish tomorrow the magazines pictures in the front page.

[Sooke 13]

According to witnesses, when leaving the area the terrorists claimed to "have killed Charlie Hebdo".

So if you can read french buy and/or subscribe to Charlie Hebdo to prove them wrong.

IMHO all European newspapers should publish tomorrow the magazines pictures in the front page.

+1 ! That's how we should react ! The blurred images are an insult to the cartoonists who lost their life, they should be ashamed.

[ProfTournesol 956]

[Xalteva 10]

I can see already what will happen after this but, i think the big loser will be the nationalist party. It's always the same thing in France, whenever elections are near.

[mistyronin 1181]

I can see already what will happen after this but, i think the big loser will be the nationalist party. It's always the same thing in France, whenever elections are near.

I don't follow you. What does the "nationalist party" ( I assume you mean the National Front ) have to do with this.

The events today aren't over yet, and there's still no political reaction, we don't even know in what direction will they be. So what do you mean?

Or you mean that there's always a huge Islamist attack before every French election? Which doesn't make any sense.

[IndeedPete 1038]

I can see already what will happen after this but, i think the big loser will be the nationalist party. It's always the same thing in France, whenever elections are near.

I'm actually afraid these Front National nutjobs will somehow try to use this attack to their advantage. Their German pendants will probably do the same.

[sudayev 27]

Translated comments from French side of Twitter. They don't have any regrets about what happened moreover some of them think that these poor people deserved it.

http://i.4cdn.org/b/1420637064534.png

This is really sick.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Spontaneous rally in Paris, people holding up pens and pencils to support freedom of speech in our country.

[Xalteva 10]

I don't follow you. What does the "nationalist party" ( I assume you mean the National Front ) have to do with this.

The events today aren't over yet, and there's still no political reaction, we don't even know in what direction will they be. So what do you mean?

Or you mean that there's always a huge Islamist attack before every French election? Which doesn't make any sense.

This attack will scare the muslim community and they will vote for the socialists (the president said already that the attack will harm the french muslims), because a lot of people there think that if the nationalist party takes over, it will lead agressive policies against foreign communities and especially muslim one, since it weighs a lot in terms of votes. Nationalists, obviously do not want to work for foreign agendas as well, you need to keep this in mind.

---------- Post added at 17:44 ---------- Previous post was at 17:43 ----------

Translated comments from French side of Twitter. They don't have any regrets about what happened moreover some of them think that these poor people deserved it.

http://i.4cdn.org/b/1420637064534.png

This is really sick.

And this is the kind of propaganda i was talking about.

Edited January 7, 2015 by Xalteva

[Tonci87 163]

IMHO all European newspapers should publish tomorrow the magazines pictures in the front page.

^this

That would really be the most appropriate reaction to this insanity

[ProfTournesol 956]

^this

That would really be the most appropriate reaction to this insanity

Indeed : (BBC live feed)

Controversial cartoons : Despite speculation that the attack was a response to Charlie Hebdo's run of controversial cartoons, some publications are taking the decision to reprint them. In Egypt, the daily Al Masry Al Youm newspaper has run a selection of the magazine's illustrations - including the recent cartoon lampooning Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of Islamic State.

[Xalteva 10]

^this

That would really be the most appropriate reaction to this insanity

Have you even thought about consequences, or just overreacting ? :)

[mistyronin 1181]

This attack will scare the muslim community and they will vote for the socialists (the president said already that the attack will harm the french muslims), because a lot of people there think that if the nationalist party takes over, it will lead agressive policies against foreign communities and especially muslim one, since it weighs a lot in terms of votes. Nationalists, obviously do not want to work for foreign agendas as well, you need to keep this in mind.

I'm afraid you mix a lot of things.

First. Who has damaged the most the French Muslim community is whoever committed the attack.

Second. The possible effect on the votes its still to be determined, it depends of how every party reacts in the next days. For example 11M Islamist attacks in Spain lead to the fall of the right-wing PP. So just the opposite effect you are talking about.

Third. That the National Front has some Nationalist ideals, doesn't mean that Nationalism equals to aggressive policies against foreign communities.

Have you even thought about consequences, or just overreacting ? :)

Why would be overreacting?

The freedom of speech is one of the most important rights in a Democracy.

What those terrorists want precisely is to avoid the World to see that kind pictures. So the proper reaction is to show the images to all the World, to show that terrorist can't affect in our most essential rights.

[spooky lynx 73]

Rest in peace all those who lost their lives in this accident.

Unlike some 'free press' I won't name that scumbags "dissidents" or "freedom fighters" and think that it's not the newspapers should post the images from that magazine but authorities must deport all those who want to make another *insert_your_part*stan in the Europe. Here we had seen perfectly what it can lead to - from totally uncontrolled regions to blown houses and seized theatres, hospitals, schools...

[ProfTournesol 956]

Last cartoon of Charb, who died today, published in the last Charlie Hebdo :

"Still no attacks in France. "We have until the end of January to present wishes", says the terrorist".

Amazing prophecy...

[Tonci87 163]

Have you even thought about consequences, or just overreacting ? :)

Why would that be overreacting? What can they do? Kill every journalist in Europe? If they did this attack to kill that satirical newspaper, then the only appropriate reaction is to make it immortal. Put those caricatures on every newspaper in europe and you send a clear message to all extremists. You can kill some of us, but you can´t kill us all or break our will to express ourselves.

[sudayev 27]

Rest in peace all those who lost their lives in this accident.

Unlike some 'free press' I won't name that scumbags "dissidents" or "freedom fighters"

Really did they named it like that? I'd be surprised it was in the UK haha, where all musilm related perps are described as "asian looking" people - which sadly turns all suspicion to proper Asian people like Chinese, Filipino or Indian.

[Xalteva 10]

Well, apparently, the level of analysis here is very "simplistic", i go back to my nest.

@Mistyronin

Maybe emotions aside for a bit, and more reading instead ? you need to read about the political setting in France right now to understand my point. Proftournesol, which i doubt is honest, can help you with that instead of posting ridiculous caricatures.

Edited January 7, 2015 by Xalteva

[ProfTournesol 956]

According to Le Point, the killers are two franco-algerian of 32 and 34 yo (and a young homeless of 22 yo), coming back from Syria and already involved in 2008 in the recruiting process of fighters sent to Irak. Considering how they behaved during the slaughter, they were obviously trained fighters, and they were perfectly speaking French with a North African accent. So this lead seems believable.

[Sooke 13]

Yeah Xalteva, go back to your nest and stay there.

Instead of thinking you know it all you might also want to do some reading because you obviously have no clue and do not understand what happened today.

[spooky lynx 73]

Really did they named it like that? I'd be surprised it was in the UK haha, where all musilm related perps are described as "asian looking" people - which sadly turns all suspicion to proper Asian people like Chinese, Filipino or Indian.

It's the same scumbags like those who seized theatre in Moscow. In some 'free press' (not some third party tabloid but one of largest media companies) those who committed attack in Moscow were named 'dissidents'.