The Unsung Vietnam Mod 3.0 WIP THREAD

[stephsen 79]

Hell that looks pretty nice ...new m1 carbine model too ? ;)

[eggbeast 3673]

where?

[stephsen 79]

this was a question ;) any plans if the m1 carbine reworked too ?

[hcpookie 3770]

As we keep saying all in due time.

[eggbeast 3673]

no plans right now though.

[eggbeast 3673]

first sight of the M1 Garand - very much WIP, courtesy of kable

 

been animating our old pistols cylinders, hammers, triggers and reload actions

 

the new Ruger .22LR for SOG to go covert with, courtesy of RobertHammer

 

and the Walther PPK for the tunnel rats, also from RobertHammer

 

and an improved M3A1 courtesy if Vilas

[Alex150201 894]

Eggbeast, the US still used WW2 weapons in vietnam?

[zukov 483]

Eggbeast, the US still used WW2 weapons in vietnam?

yes m1 carabine, grease gun. m19281a1, springfield 1903 sniper, Bar , Garand etc....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_the_Vietnam_War

[eggbeast 3673]

Almost any available weapon made it into that war.  this is my understanding (it may not be wholly accurate but i have read a lot of books on it by people who were there, or by expert historians)

 

During and after WW2 the nationalist chinese had been supplied with US weapons and captured german weapons.  When the communists prevailed in the chinese civil war, they captured warehouses full of weapons.  These later found their way into korea and later vietnam.

 

As early as 1963 the green berets (MACV-SOG) and CIA were supplying WW2 surplus weapons to sympathetic ethnic groups in vietnam, like the nung chinese (who had fled there during the chinese civil war), anti-communist cambodians recruited by the CIA and MACV in Pnomh Penh to come to vietnam and fight vietnamese communists (many of whom later went to cambodia and overthrew sihanouk as he was too pro-hanoi).  the carbine, mp40 and BAR are classic examples ofthese.  Also many korean war vets who fought in vietnam obtained WW2 weapons that they loved - like thompsons, m1 garands etc.  and even early USMC sniper teams (1966 etc) were issued with M1 Garandwith a 2x scope, and later the match-grade winchester model 70 (also a ww2 veteran rifle and scope).

 

the french weapons you see in game - the MAS-36, MAS-49/56 MAT-49 etc were captured by the Viet Minh when they beat the French who had attempted to reoocuppy their old colony of Indochina, after the japanese left at the end of WW2.  The americans had been financing and arming the VietMinh, and were on good terms with Ho Chi Minh. They didn't want the french to reoccupy the country.

 

However once they became overtly pro-communist-china, after the US-backed nationalists had been defeated by Mao (and fled to Taiwan, hence the animosity to this day) the americans backed the splinter Saigon government to prevent communism spreading, and found themselves at odds with Ho (very like the Osama Bin Laden story - he is widely understood to have been funded by CIA to fight the russians in afghanistan).

 

Later, SOG troops, who could get hold of any weapons they wanted, assuming they had salary, or something to trade (like a stolen and repainted marine corps jeep) would buy in all kinds of stuff, based on field-trials and field-modifications.  the Carl Gustav M/45 is a good example.  It fired when wet, so was a perfect bullet-hose for SOG ops.  The MFR were also tasked with going behind enemy lines and finding caches and base camps, and they desperately needed suppressed weapons.  As a result, in 1969, the MFR commanders did a worldwide search for cheap (its the USMC we're talking about) suppressed weaponry and so they brought in suppressed stens, M3a1s etc and other trials were mounted of weapons supplied (on loan, hoping for a contract) by small arms manufacturers - including the ruger mk1, walther ppk, suppressed revolvers, and so on.

 

also during this time, standard weapons like m14, m21, car15 and m16 were field-modified to carry suppressors, starlite scopes, and different ranged scopes.

 

much of this kit we have added in game in A2, and it will becoming your way again soon in A3.

[Alex150201 894]

Thanks guys, you learn stuff everday!

[chas gate 23]

this is the heaviest light m60 in the world.

 

this mg carryed 1000 rounds in a backpack that connected strait to the gun to allo you to have a clip of 100 rounds.

 

the pic if from a game called shell shock

[sgt_savage 586]

Thanks guys, you learn stuff everday!

Yep Eggpedia strikes again :D

 

 

this is the heaviest light m60 in the world.

 

this mg carryed 1000 rounds in a backpack that connected strait to the gun to allo you to have a clip of 100 rounds.

 

the pic if from a game called shell shock

Hmm might look into this if its not fictional ... would be a interesting addition ;)

 

*Edit* Well it seems it was indeed a real system called the US M60 China Lake 'System 23' Used by Seal Teams in nam :o .... That said damn I'm gonna ask the model guys if they can make it ;)

 

http://pics.livejournal.com/werewolf0001/pic/0006e1yw/s640x480

[hcpookie 3770]

Hmm might look into this if its not fictional ... would be a interesting addition ;)

 

NO!  :D   LOL

 

There have been several "backpack magazines" troops have created over the years.  They are field-engineered by the troops and are usually one-offs.  I've even seen one for a PKM.  However they are one-off items and not an "issued" item.  "PASS"

 

 

Here's the original design some guys made in the sandbox...

http://techzwn.com/2011/10/predator-inspired-ironman-system-turns-backpack-into-massive-ammo-clip/

 

... note the date, 2011.  Three years later it has been developed into this:

http://www.military.com/video/guns/machine-guns/the-ironman-500-round-ammo-backpack/3702830340001

 

 

here's the PK one I have seen:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/04/15/pk-machine-gun-predator-ammo-backpack/

[sgt_savage 586]

Hey the China Lake Launcher was a one off test bed weapon and we have it in game ;) Still I think still be a cool addition anyway will see.

[chas gate 23]

Well im glad to see that me playing my ps2 just got you guys a new weapon system lol.

 

its a game called shell shock i love it.

 

Rocket Pistol 
 

 

Fast Facts Accuracy: Poor Range: Close Rate of Fire: Terrible Damage per Round: Excellent Mobility: Excellent

This was, and still is, a very interesting weapon: a modest-looking pistol that fires thumb-sized 13mm rockets. Only available to those special, Special Forces types.

 

 

Now this idk if it was real or not but damn it weird. 

[chas gate 23]

DM-60 
 

 

Fast Facts Accuracy: Medium Range: Close-Long Rate of Fire: Excellent Damage per Round: Good Mobility: Poor

This awesome machine was prototyped by the spooks based at China Lake. Basically, a modified Pig that could hold up to 1000 rounds in one long belt feed. It took a mountain of a man to wield it in a firefight and was issued to the heaviest of Specialist Rescue squads. 

[souldrinker 74]

DM-60 

 

 

Fast Facts Accuracy: Medium Range: Close-Long Rate of Fire: Excellent Damage per Round: Good Mobility: Poor

This awesome machine was prototyped by the spooks based at China Lake. Basically, a modified Pig that could hold up to 1000 rounds in one long belt feed. It took a mountain of a man to wield it in a firefight and was issued to the heaviest of Specialist Rescue squads. 

 

 

Well im glad to see that me playing my ps2 just got you guys a new weapon system lol.

 

its a game called shell shock i love it.

 

Rocket Pistol 

 

 

Fast Facts Accuracy: Poor Range: Close Rate of Fire: Terrible Damage per Round: Excellent Mobility: ExcellenThis was, and still is, a very interesting weapon: a modest-looking pistol that fires thumb-sized 13mm rockets. Only available to those special, Special Forces types.

 

 

Now this idk if it was real or not but damn it weird. 

 

They did exist - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet

 

 

However please stop spamming the thread with requests. Although these weapons did exist at some point in time they never came to fruition as the American Government quickly realized how costly it was to produce these in large quantities. They are amongst the many weapon designs of the era that never made it past the prototype stage and where impractical for use in the field environment.

[chas gate 23]

um thats not a requst its one that i though was fake 

[chas gate 23]

also the mg you even proved it it made it and still is being used and modifyed did you not

 

also its even sayed it was used as a effective weapon for engineers"It took a mountain of a man to wield it in a firefight and was issued to the heaviest of Specialist Rescue squads. "

 

Edit' It is a way down the line added thing i think beacuse thers some who say yay or nay

[souldrinker 74]

um thats not a requst its one that i though was fake 

 

Doesn't matter, it is still clogging the thread. (read here)

also the mg you even proved it it made it and still is being used and modifyed did you not

 

The plethora of vehicles and weapons that where experimented with and tested in Vietnam could be a whole mod on it's own. We simply don't have the time nor the manpower right now to make all of these magical weapons that never saw the light of day.

[chas gate 23]

but its not a magical weapon its like the china lake and it was used a lot in nom it was even a basis for ho w heilos now work

 

 but as i sayed way down line like delta update

[souldrinker 74]

but its not a magical weapon

My god. Sarcasm. Please learn what it means.

 

like the china lake and it was used a lot in nom

The China Lake was, this definitely was not.

 

 

it was even a basis for ho w heilos now work

What!?

 

 but as i sayed way down line like delta update

As i stated earlier these weapons where never used in combat. But please be my guest and make them yourself and then come back to us. Until then cease clogging the thread :)

[chas gate 23]

ok whats wrong with you trying to be a jerk there was alredy some one on your team who looked into it and it was used in combat and im not clogging the thread you are trying to prove your right with no proof i have proof you dont and your friend has proof to.

 

Also the chopper comment is in how the fireing mechanize for side mounted mgs and the door gunners for the mini guns. they help by bringing the belt to a box mag. without being hard to use due to jams.

 

And as stated before could be Late devolpement and damn if you teach me how to model ill make it for you and ill make guns that you want made instead of ported.

 

You need to be like the rest of your dev / community group and try not to be a jack ass about a simple idea of witch you have blown out of proportion.

 

and to end this rant the mg was used in combat it was used by mobile engineer groups and by special forces.

 

if you need to look it and and give me proof it wasent used at all.

 

And it wasent a jerry rig made on the fielded it was made and tested out..

[chas gate 23]

Yep Eggpedia strikes again :D

 

 

Hmm might look into this if its not fictional ... would be a interesting addition ;)

 

*Edit* Well it seems it was indeed a real system called the US M60 China Lake 'System 23' Used by Seal Teams in nam :o .... That said damn I'm gonna ask the model guys if they can make it ;)

 

http://pics.livejournal.com/werewolf0001/pic/0006e1yw/s640x480

 So ya even savage agrees and like i sayed teach me to model and ill make you the god damn gun if needed

 

OMFG your not even part of the mod team are you or are you just trying out this forum post for the first time it says your a new comer me and savge are higher ranks than you on this forum.

 

savge sorry if i spell your name wrong.

 

And agian its not spam if its a reply to what you say to. if you would have left all this in the dust i would stop typeing

 

 

One of our readers shared this photo with us of a SEAL carrying an M60E3 with a ammo pack that directly feeds the gun via an ammo chute.

 

 

Also was i demoted if so why Lance Corporal you keep spamming by trying to say me and savage are wrong with no proof.

[souldrinker 74]

ok whats wrong with you trying to be a jerk there was alredy some one on your team who looked into it and it was used in combat and im not clogging the thread you are trying to prove your right with no proof i have proof you dont and your friend has proof to.

 

Also the chopper comment is in how the fireing mechanize for side mounted mgs and the door gunners for the mini guns. they help by bringing the belt to a box mag. without being hard to use due to jams.

 

And as stated before could be Late devolpement and damn if you teach me how to model ill make it for you and ill make guns that you want made instead of ported.

 

You need to be like the rest of your dev / community group and try not to be a jack ass about a simple idea of witch you have blown out of proportion.

 

and to end this rant the mg was used in combat it was used by mobile engineer groups and by special forces.

 

if you need to look it and and give me proof it wasent used at all.

 

And it wasent a jerry rig made on the fielded it was made and tested out..

 

Please point out to me where i denied the existence of a Backpack Fed M60. Because just like everything else you have stated you pulled that info out of thin air with no evidence at all besides referencing a video game by the name of "shell-shock". It was never issued by the DOA or even approved by a matter of fact. It was used, but not the point where it would have any historical standing in our mod. 

 

 

"Although rarely, some SEALs had feed chutes from backpacks to have a belt of thousands of rounds ready to fire without needing to reload, but was shortly discarded due to being excessively cumbersome"

If you had any historical knowledge of aviation you'd know that weapons strapped to aircraft was definitely not a new field when Vietnam came around, albeit the helicopter was a new method of flight it was certainly not a new method of introducing firepower from air to ground. Your facts are misconstrued and back-to-front. Weapons on aircraft definitely where not inspired by troops shoving MG belts into a backpack and blasting through the jungle. Mounted machineguns where seen on UH-1s as early as 1964 whilst the whole M60-Backpack thing you are raving about was seen around ' 68 - 69. 

 

ok whats wrong with you trying to be a jerk there was alredy some one on your team who looked into it and it was used in combat and im not clogging the thread you are trying to prove your right with no proof i have proof you dont and your friend has proof to.

You need to be like the rest of your dev / community group and try not to be a jack ass about a simple idea of witch you have blown out of proportion.

 

 

If you understood the flood of requests we receive in relation to items or equipment we "should make/use" you would be as easily disgruntled as i am. I'm not here to appease the likes of someone who can't even form basic words or a decent sentence structure i am here to help make something that costs you absolutely nothing and something that the community as a whole can enjoy. No need to reply to this as i certainly won't be replying to you.

 

Take it easy mate