China general

[Xalteva 10]

I wanted to create a thread just for this information, but i know that it will turn into a general discussion sooner or later :D

So, let me start this :

China becomes world's largest economy

What are the major consequences this could have on the world's geopolitics?

[eddo36 16]

What would be the strategy to win a war with China?

[drebin052 323]

They measured it in PPP, not GDP. You can't measure an economy's size through PPP alone. And don't forget the population size of China vs. the U.S. on GDP per capita.

For instance, the current 4% growth is considered as receding rather than growth for a country of its size. Although in 20 years time the situation may change depending on whether or not they can exceed the 8% growth margin that they achieved back in 2011-2012. Unless that happens, it's still a little too early to break out the champagne.

[cozza 24]

What would be the strategy to win a war with China?

Dont start a war with China

Seems a pretty good strategy :p

[mistyronin 1181]

As I've been saying in this forums, the main focus shouldn't be on a depressive declining Russia but in a growing mighty China ( that BTW takes advantage of Russia stealing their stuff, as well as other countries too ).

What would be the strategy to win a war with China?

For one side, China's Armed Forces are not the most powerful in the World, so a strategy would be to make a big coalition.

But the main issue is: Why on Earth would any country declare war to China at this moment? Most of companies are benefiting from China's work; just check most of the products you have at home are Made in China.

Edited December 11, 2014 by MistyRonin

[eddo36 16]

For one side, China's Armed Forces are not the most powerful in the World, so a strategy would be to make a big coalition.

But the main issue is: Why on Earth would any country declare war to China at this moment? Most of companies are benefiting from China's work; just check most of the products you have at home are Made in China.

Yes but you beat their armed forces (which is the largest in the world) then what? How will you occupy China? So many people there, can be so many insurgents. Not to mention, the Chinese are fanatically loyal to their homeland.

Edited December 11, 2014 by Eddo36

[mistyronin 1181]

Yes but you beat their armed forces (which is the largest in the world) then what? How will you occupy China? So many people there, can be so many insurgents. Not to mention, the Chinese are fanatically loyal to their homeland.

For one side, I said why would any country declare war to China? Second we talked about a conventional war, not the post-war ( which is when the insurgency has an important role in conflicts ).

About the Chinese being fanatically loyal to their homeland: no one talked about annexing China, and Chinese may be fanatically loyal to their homeland but not to the Pseudo-Communist Regime that rules over them.

[sudayev 27]

general tso chicken, very good!

[oxmox 73]

China 'will never be colonists' in Africa, says foreign minister

Senior diplomat Wang Yi pledges his country would not emulate Western powers and grab continent's resources

China will not take path of "Western colonists" in Africa -foreign minister CHINA-AFRICA BEIJING, Jan 12 (Reuters) - China will not follow the path of “Western colonists†in Africa, Foreign Minister Wang Yi said at the start of a five-nation tour of the continent, parrying criticism that his country’s hunger for resources had led to one-sided policies and damaging projects.

China is Africa’s biggest trade partner, and has sought to tap the region’s rich resources to fuel its own economic growth over the past two decades.

But Beijing’s involvement has been called “neo-colonial†by some African leaders, who fear many of the projects bring little benefit to local people, with materials and even labour being imported from China.

“We absolutely will not take the old path of Western colonists, and we absolutely will not sacrifice Africa’s ecological environment and long-term interests,†Wang Yi told Chinese Central Television while in Kenya.

In July, China said more than half its foreign aid, worth more than US$14 billion between 2010 and 2012, went to Africa.

China says there are no strings attached to its aid, but some of its projects have drawn attention for their support of governments with poor human rights records and lack of transparency, such as Zimbabwe, Sudan and Angola.

Wang’s trip includes stops in Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea, Sudan and the Democratic Republic of Congo.

Speaking to reporters in Sudan on Sunday, Wang defended China’s mediation efforts in South Sudan, rejecting the idea they were intended to safeguard its own oil interests.

China is the biggest investor in the oil industry in South Sudan, which split from Sudan in 2011. It has played an unusually large diplomatic role in the country and committed about 700 UN peacekeepers amid a civil war that has killed more than 10,000 people.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/1678605/china-will-never-be-colonists-africa-says-foreign-minister

Well,........

Where I have doubts are the allegedly none existing interests into geopolitics & ressources, but parts of the projects what China is doing in Africa could be a model for over 50 years of more or less failed "third world aid" by western countries. The chinese are actually on site in Africa and helping with the planned projects, building infrastructure wheras the traditional "third world aid" did often either seep away into corruption and just high debts.

Edited January 12, 2015 by oxmox

[oxmox 73]

wow...this is a huge project

China, Russia Plan $242 Billion Beijing-Moscow Rail Link

China will build a 7,000-kilometer (4,350-mile) high-speed rail link from Beijing to Moscow, at a cost of 1.5 trillion yuan ($242 billion), Beijing’s city government said on the social networking site Weibo.

The rail line seeks to facilitate travel across Europe and Asia, Beijing’s municipal government said Jan. 21 in a post on Weibo, China’s equivalent of Twitter. The journey from Beijing to Moscow would take “two days†on a route passing through Kazakhstan, the post said.

The rail line was mooted in November, after Russia and China last year agreed on the largest natural-gas supply deal in history. Alexander Misharin, a first vice-president at state-owned OAO Russian Railways, said in a Nov. 18 interview that the plan would cost $60 billion to reach Russia’s border, and would cut the Beijing-Moscow journey from five days to 30 hours.

In May, after more than a decade of talks, natural-gas exporter OAO Gazprom reached a $400 billion deal with China to build a pipeline and start supplies. Misharin, in the November comments, compared the new transport network to the Suez Canal “in terms of scale and significance.â€

Those comments came a month after a delegation to Moscow led by Chinese Premier Li Keqiang signed accords that included high-speed rail cooperation, a three-year 150 billion yuan ($24 billion) local-currency swap deal and a double-taxation treaty.

The link to Beijing would take eight to 10 years to build, Misharin said in November.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-22/china-russia-plan-242-billion-beijing-moscow-rail-link.html

[chrisb 196]

Well if they’re going to build a rail link that long :butbut:.. Then the Chinese are the ones to do it.;)

Regards raging war against China, for one why would anyone want too, secondly, a few western governments (one in particular) would have to approach the Chinese to borrow the money to fund said war..:D

[Maio 293]

Well if they’re going to build a rail link that long :butbut:.. Then the Chinese are the ones to do it.;)

Regards raging war against China, for one why would anyone want too, secondly, a few western governments (one in particular) would have to approach the Chinese to borrow the money to fund said war..:D

I.O.U. ... an amphibious invasion :cool:

[chrisb 196]

I.O.U. ... an amphibious invasion :cool:

;)

What was it you said you wanted this money for......................

Well errr...:o cough.. you'll laugh when I tell you :couch:

[x3kj 1247]

money loses alot of its value if the one controlling everything to do with it is your enemy. US has monopoly on money. Or rather, banks have monopoly on US and therefore US has monopoly on money.

[chortles 263]

... apparently House of Cards​ is HUGE in China.

[ProfTournesol 956]

money loses alot of its value if the one controlling everything to do with it is your enemy. US has monopoly on money. Or rather, banks have monopoly on US and therefore US has monopoly on money.

Well, a great part of US debts is owned by China. So China owns US money.

[chrisb 196]

Well, a great part of US debts is owned by China. So China owns US money.

That's correct.

[chortles 263]

The Chinese-North Korean government relationship... not as close as Westerners used to think?

[mistyronin 1181]

Uuups...

( Vice News ) Leaked Detail About New Chinese Aircraft Carrier Leaves Bigger Questions Unanswered

Earlier this week, China's state media accidentally published a report that mentioned the construction of a new aircraft carrier in Dalian, a city on the East China Sea near the border with North Korea. Dalian is home to a major shipyard that builds a number of different vessels, including warships. An overly excited government official blurted that a local firm was super excited after "winning the contract for China's second aircraft carrier."

Shortly after realizing that this was technically "secret" information, authorities quickly tried to yank the story from news, social media, and other sites. Of course, the officials weren't quite fast enough to prevent people from noticing and getting all wound up.

[oxmox 73]

China tells US to 'speak and act with caution' in South China Sea island dispute

China's Foreign Ministry urged the United States on Thursday to act and speak cautiously after the U.S. defense chief repeated Washington's opposition to any "coercive unilateral" actions by China over a group of islets disputed with Japan.

Visiting Tokyo, US Secretary of Defense Ash Carter expressed opposition to any moves by China to undermine Japan's administrative control of uninhabited islands in the East China Sea, known as the Senkaku in Japan and the Diaoyu in China.

"We urge the US sides to speak and act with caution, to strictly abide by their promises not to take a position on the relevant territorial ownership issue, and do more to benefit regional peace and stability and not the opposite," she said.

Carter also welcomed progress toward the first update in US-Japan defense cooperation guidelines since 1997.

--> The revision will expand the scope for interaction between the allies in line with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's push to ease the constraints of Japan's pacifist constitution on the nation's military.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/china-tells-us-to-speak-and-act-with-caution-in-south-china-sea-island-dispute-2015-4?r=US

[drebin052 323]

China tells US to 'speak and act with caution' in South China Sea island dispute

China's Foreign Ministry urged the United States on Thursday to act and speak cautiously after the U.S. defense chief repeated Washington's opposition to any "coercive unilateral" actions by China over a group of islets disputed with Japan.

Gotta love the mainland government at times. What gives them the right to "caution" anyone when they unilaterally come up with rubbish like the 9-dash line/string of pearls...