Pictures of war

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The first "modern" war was the American Civil War <span id='postcolor'>

uhhh it was not a civil war, it was tthe War for Southern Independence. What about the Russia and Japan war in 1905, I think?

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">uhhh it was not a civil war, it was tthe War for Southern Independence.<span id='postcolor'>

What??

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ Sep. 23 2002,07:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just think its funny that you people think we care what you decided the first modern war was.  Civil War historians say its the Civil War because they started using trenches, they used iron clad ships, they used railways, etc.  If the European nations had looked at some Civil War battles they would have seen that a war of attrition is the stupidest thing ever, yet they didnt and nearly whiped out their male population.  

I'm going to believe the guys who spend their life thinking about this stuff, not the guy on the internet with his own opinion.<span id='postcolor'>

BWahahaahaaaah, that's one funny post!

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 23 2002,15:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The first "modern" war was the American Civil War  <span id='postcolor'>

uhhh it was not a civil war, it was tthe War for Southern Independence.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah we had to learn that once during lessons of English....

[-TU--33ker 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KingBeast @ Sep. 24 2002,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What about the Boer war? Rather modern no? At least for a pre WW1 war.<span id='postcolor'>

if you see the guerilla tactics the Boers used it's pretty modern.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 24 2002,14:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The first "modern" war was the American Civil War  <span id='postcolor'>

uhhh it was not a civil war, it was tthe War for Southern Independence.  What about the Russia and Japan war in 1905, I think?<span id='postcolor'>

shut up already. Noone cares about your warped view of American History

[Frisbee 0]

American civil war still had the concept of get as many men together,shoot in turns and be last standing.

Modern war is about tactics i think,small unit tactics at that.

WW1 wasn't modern,it used medieval tactics for gods sakes,just crash right into the enemy frontally.

(Or shell them for a week and THEN run up to them frontally)

So i think both are definetelay ruled out as a first 'modern' war.

I don't know much about many other wars so i won't say anything about that.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Modern warfare is not about small unit tactics, its about logistics. It's all about whose navy has the most cruise missiles, whose tanks have the most gas, and whose artillery has the most ammo. Tactics are important, of course, but secondary. The only modern war that has not followed this model would be the Vietnam War

[KingBeast 0]

Modern warfare is only modern at its time of arrival. So there have been many different eras, Swords and pointy things, then eventually with the advent of gunpowder it was all about muzzle loading weapons, and then that era ended with the introduction of breech loading weapons and then that era ended with the introduction of machine guns and armour. And so on so forth.

Thats technologically speaking of course. Though in each of the different eras, there were distinctly different tactics, that changed with the advent of new technology.

[bn880 5]

I don't mean to be an ass but: Maybe the topic should be renamed to "Theoretical pictures of war" You are all painting theoretical pictures of the first modern war....

>Delete this post if u want mods.

[DarkLight 0]

bn880 for president

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Modern warfare is not about small unit tactics, its about logistics. It's all about whose navy has the most cruise missiles, whose tanks have the most gas, and whose artillery has the most ammo. Tactics are important, of course, but secondary. The only modern war that has not followed this model would be the Vietnam War<span id='postcolor'>

That theory obviously doesn't appply to the war in Afghanistan either. A bunch of guerrillas armed with Lee-Enfield Mk1's and captured Soviet weapons managed to fight the Russians until they finnaly decided that they have had enough.

Warfare is all about small unit tactics, this is especially true when you are outnumbered and out-gunned. Wars are won by individual battles, what tactics are applied in those battles will determine the outcome of the whole war.

Tyler

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 24 2002,14:27)

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The first "modern" war was the American Civil War

uhhh it was not a civil war, it was tthe War for Southern Independence. What about the Russia and Japan war in 1905, I think?

shut up already. Noone cares about your warped view of American History<span id='postcolor'>

Now thats not a very nice thing to say. Anyways it was not a Civil War, the South was fighting for their form of goverment, which would most likely be alot better than anyother today, and the South was a seperate country.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't mean to be an ass but: Maybe the topic should be renamed to "Theoretical pictures of war" You are all painting theoretical pictures of the first modern war....

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I was talking about real pictures.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 24 2002,22:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 24 2002,14:27)

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The first "modern" war was the American Civil War  

uhhh it was not a civil war, it was tthe War for Southern Independence.   What about the Russia and Japan war in 1905, I think?

shut up already. Noone cares about your warped view of American History<span id='postcolor'>

Now thats not a very nice thing to say.  Anyways it was not a Civil War, the South was fighting for their form of goverment, which would most likely be alot better than anyother today, and the South was a seperate country. <span id='postcolor'>

Ermmmm, ok, you're right

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the South was fighting for their form of goverment, which would most likely be alot better than anyother today<span id='postcolor'>

WTF are you talking about?

A government and economy that relies soley on slavery? I don't f*cking think so.

Tyler

[Tex -USMC- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 24 2002,22:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 24 2002,14:27)

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The first "modern" war was the American Civil War  

uhhh it was not a civil war, it was tthe War for Southern Independence.   What about the Russia and Japan war in 1905, I think?

shut up already. Noone cares about your warped view of American History<span id='postcolor'>

Now thats not a very nice thing to say.  Anyways it was not a Civil War, the South was fighting for their form of goverment, which would most likely be alot better than anyother today, and the South was a seperate country. <span id='postcolor'>

No, it was a civil war. Two parts of the country were fighting each other. Doesnt matter if the south wanted to seperate or not. Also, the way you put it suggests that there was a legitimate reason for the South to secede because they wanted to uphold an economic system that reduced human beings to property.

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 24 2002,22:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now thats not a very nice thing to say.  Anyways it was not a Civil War, the South was fighting for their form of goverment, which would most likely be alot better than anyother today, and the South was a seperate country. <span id='postcolor'>

Woah, that's even more stupid than the stuff you post at the middle east thread!!

[Guest]

Now, now, play nice girls!

[Tex -USMC- 0]

if he wants to post his ignorance for the world, I dont see why the world cant respond

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 24 2002,23:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">if he wants to post his ignorance for the world, I dont see why the world cant respond<span id='postcolor'>

The world can respond, but making personal attacks is not acceptable. Just be nice

[Tex -USMC- 0]

hey, for once I didnt call him any names  

I should get a medal for exercising restraint- I usually mock stupidity with extreme prejudice

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 25 2002,00:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">hey, for once I didnt call him any names  

I should get a medal for exercising restraint- I usually mock stupidity with extreme prejudice<span id='postcolor'>

I am very proud of you

I wasn't by the way refereing to your posts

[Tex -USMC- 0]

just covering my bases

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Sep. 25 2002,00:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">just covering my bases<span id='postcolor'>

all your base are belong to us, so therefore you dont have a case

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

*sighs* lol guys. It was not a Civil war! If you call that a Civil War you might as well call the American Revolutionary War a civil war.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Now, now, play nice girls! <span id='postcolor'>

I do try to place nice.