9/11 - do you believe it was planned by the government ?

[havatan19 10]

do you know that 9/11 was planned by the government or atleast the government helped by these attacks ?

here are some facts:

1) Nano Thermite was found in the dust at Ground Zero. Peer reviewed in the Bentham Open Chemical Physics Journal. ‘Niels Harrit’, ‘Thermite Bentham’, “The great thermate debate†Jon Cole, ‘Iron rich spheres’ Steven Jones, ‘Limited Metallurgical Examination (FEMA C-13, Appendix C-6)’. ‘Nano Tubes’

2) 1700+ Engineers and Architects support a real independent 9/11 investigation. Richard Gage, Founder. ‘Explosive Evidence’, ‘Blueprint for Truth’, ‘AE911′, ‘Toronto Hearings’, ‘Kevin Ryan’.

3) The total collapse of WTC 7 in 6.5 seconds at free fall acceleration (NIST admits 2.25 seconds). Larry Silverstein used the term “Pull itâ€. Steel framed high rise buildings have NEVER totally collapsed from fire or structural damage. Builidng 7 was not hit by a plane. ‘Building 7′, ‘WTC 7′.

4) Dick Cheney was in command of NORAD on 9/11 while running war games. ‘Stand down order’. “Of course the orders still stand, have you heard anything to the contrary?â€. Norman Minetta testimony. “Gave order to shootdown Flight 93.â€, ‘NORAD Drills’.

5) 6 out of the 10 Commissioners believe the 9/11 Commission report was “Setup to fail†Co-Chairs Hamilton and Kean, “It was a 30 year conspiracyâ€, “The whitehouse has played cover upâ€, ‘Max Cleland resigned’, ‘John Farmer’.

6) FBI confiscated 84/85 Videos from the Pentagon. ‘Moussaoui trial’ revealed these videos. Released Pentagon Security Camera (FOIA) does not show a 757 and is clearly Missing a frame. ‘Sheraton Hotel’, “Double tree’, ‘Citgoâ€.

7) Osama Bin Laden was NOT wanted by the FBI for the 9/11 attacks. “No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.†CIA created, trained and funded “Al Qaeda/Taliban†during the Mujahideen. OBL was a CIA asset named ‘Tim Osman’. OBL Reported dead in Dec 2001 (FOX).

8)100’s of Firefighters and witness testimony to BOMBS/EXPLOSIONS ignored by the 9/11 Commission Report. 9/11 Commission Report bars 503 1st responder eyewitnesses. “Explosions in the lobby and sub levelsâ€, ‘Firefighter explosions’, ‘Barry Jennings’, ‘William Rodriguez’.

9) 100’s of firefighters and witness testimony to MOLTEN METAL ignored by the Commission report. “Like you’re in a foundryâ€, “NIST’s John Gross denies the existence of Molten Metalâ€, ‘Swiss Cheese’, “As of 21 days after the attack, the fires were still burning and molten steel was still running.†Leslie Robertson’.

10) ‘5 Dancing Israeli’s’ arrested in ‘Mossad Truck Bombs’ on 9/11 that stated “We were there to document the event.†‘Urban Moving Systems’ front company, ‘Dominic Suter’. “$498,750 Business loan (June 2001)â€. “Officer DeCarlo’, ‘Art Students’, ‘Israeli Spying’.

11) On September 10th, 2001. Rumsfeld reported $2.3 TRILLION missing from the Pentagon. ‘Dov Zakheim’ Pentagon Comptroller. Former VP of ‘Systems Planning Corporation’ (Flight Termination System). Signatore of PNAC document.

12) 220+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials question the official story. ‘9/11 Whistleblowers’, ‘Patriots for 9/11′. ‘Robert Bowman’, ‘Sibel Edmonds’, ‘Albert Stubblebine’, ‘Wesley Clark’, ‘Mark Dayton’, ‘Alan Sabrosky’, ‘Cyntha McKinney’, ‘Jesse Ventura’, ‘Kurt Sonnenfeld’. “patriotsquestion911.comâ€

13) Towers were built to withstand a Boeing jet(s). “I designed it for a 707 to hit itâ€, Leslie Robertson, WTC structural engineer. “Could probably sustain multiple impacts of jetlinersâ€, “like a pencil puncturing screen netting†Frank De Martini, deceased Manager of WTC Construction & Project Management. “As far as a plane knocking a building over, that would not happen.†Charlie Thornton, Structural Engineer.

14) History of American False Flag attacks. ‘USS Liberty’, ‘Gulf of Tonkin’, ‘Operation Northwoods’, ‘OKC Bombing (Murrah Building)’, ‘1993 WTC attacks’. ‘Patrick Clawson’. Project for the New American Century (PNAC) needed “a New Pearl Harborâ€, “Rebuilding America’s Defensesâ€. 9/11 Achieved those goals.

15) BBC correspondent Jane Standley reported the collapse of WTC 7 (Soloman Brothers building) 20 minutes before it happened. CNN/FOX/MSNBC also had early reports. ‘BBC wtc 7′, ‘Jane Standley’, Ashleigh Banfield’.

16) “Flight 93″ debris was spread out over many miles. Cheney admits to giving the order to shootdown 93. “shot down the plane over Pennsylvania†Rumsfeld, “nothing that you could distinguish that a plane had crashed there†‘Chris Konicki. “Not a drop of blood†Coroner Wallace Miller. “there was no plane.†Mayor Ernie Stull.

17) Bush hesitated for 441 days before starting the 911 Commission. ‘Jersey Girls’. ‘Phil Zelikow’ already wrote the outline before the commission began. Steel shipped over seas. Obstruction of justice. JFK and Pearl Harbor commissions were started within 7 days.

18) The 911 commission was given extremely limited funds. $15 million was given to investigate 9/11. (Over $60 Million was spent investigating Clintons’ affairs with Monica).

19) Bush said he watched the first plane crash into the North tower on TV before entering the classroom. “The TV was obviously on.†Was informed about the second impact while reading ‘My Pet Goat’ to the children. Remained for at least 8 more minutes while America was under “attackâ€.

20) The PATRIOT ACT was written before 9/11. Signed into law October 26th, 2001.

21) Marvin Bush was director of Stratasec (Securacom, ‘KuAm’) which was in charge of security of the WTC, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. All three were breached on 9/11. ICTS was another company that provided security at the airports. ‘Wirt Walker’, ‘Ezra Harel’, ‘ICTSâ€, ‘WTC power downs’.

22) “Who killed John O’Neil?â€. Former FBI task force agent investigating Al Qaeda/Bin Laden. Transferred by Kroll Corporation to head the security just before 9/11. John O’Neil died in the Towers. ‘Jerome Hauer’ ‘Jules Kroll’.

23) Insider trading based upon foreknowledge. ‘Put Options.’ Never identified insiders made millions. ‘United and American Airlines’ ‘Raytheon.’

More:

THE TOP 40 Reasons to Doubt the Official Story

9/11 Inside Job: All Evidence, No Theories

Documentaries:

Under Occupation: 9/11 Reality - FULL MOVIE

Loose Change

9/11 mysteries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O7LwySqtr4

9/11 in plane site:

painful deceptions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hWhvRBjbko

National security alert (documentary about the pentagon strike):

9/11 Truth: Hollywood Speaks Out (Re-Mastered):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3X4hbIDnq5k

9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out (Free 1-hour version) AE911Truth.org

9/11 - The Untold Stories of the 9/11 Families - In their own words.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZEBlTtBdiU

SEPTEMBER CLUES - Full Documentary - 9/11 TV Fakery

The 9/11 Chronicles: Part One, Truth Rising full length

Videos (especially for moderators before they lock this topic and start coming with bullshit arguments like "its disrespectful". even 9/11 family victims starts to question 9/11):

Cheney & Bush Asked Tom Daschle Not To Investigate 9/11 AT ALL

Thomas Kean Runs Away From 911 Cover Up

Glenn Beck: "I hate 9/11 victims families for asking questions"

9/11 victim's families claiming "9/11 was an inside job"

FireFighters for 9/11 Truth Speak Out!

9/11 Truth: NYPD first responder speaks out (1 of 3)

CIA Insider Tells 911 truth. Time to re-examine your World-view, America!

9/11 TV Fakery: Smoke & Mirrors (short version)

9/11 Commissioner slips up, says missile hit Pentagon

John Gross denies existance of molten metal

NOTE: before starting argue or spamming this topic with "conspiracy bullshit", please watch a few of the videos / documentaries and read the articles i posted right under the fact-list then start to argue

TO THE MODERATORS: please watch the videos before locking the topic with bullsh*t arguments like "disrespect to the family members".

BEFORE ANYONE ASK WHY IT DOES MATTER: 9/11 affect us all, 9/11 was the reason why 2 countries (iraq & afghanistan) got bombed, 9/11 was the reason why millions died, 9/11 was the reason for the global monitoring, the afghanistan war is still ongoing and afghanistan and iraq got destabilized after these "peaceful" NATO invasion.

there are so many reason why it is important to questioning 9/11.

[Tonci87 163]

Oh boy.... :j:

Do you have a firestation near you? Please go talk to the firefighters about the effects of fires in enclosed spaces (buildings). They get super hot! In the case of the WTC Kerosene was burning and basically turned the inside of the towers into furnaces.

Yes, steel melts at that point. Towers collapse under their own weight.

[oxmox 73]

You are quiete late to the party, such threads about 911 were more popular more than ten years ago. :p

[beastcat 14]

9/11 was done by trains

These damning accounts come from the oral histories of 9/11. Lawsuits were required to bring this information to light, and you can obviously see why the government wanted them hidden. They challenge the official narrative that airplanes hit the buildings and give actual proof that the towers were actually brought down by trains. The last quote is the most damning, and naturally the least widely publicized by the mainstream media. "I saw it (the train) coming down". We have at least one witness on record saying that he saw the actual train involved.

The government, using the CIA, conspired with the Freemasons and Amtrak to kill thousands of Americans to increase the profit of railway companies. They used holographic planes to fool the world not just to hide the truth, THEY DID IT TO SCARE PEOPLE AWAY FROM AIR TRAVEL SO THAT THEY WOULD RIDE MORE TRAINS.

[slatts 1978]

The US government couldn't keep it secret that Bill Clinton got sucked off by an intern. If the "most powerful" country in the world can't keep a BJ secret from a mans wife. They can't commit mass murder against there people and keep that secret.

More seriously.

The US has never had a tradition of home soil terrorism and so IMO it's people aren't used to the idea that every once and a while, a nut job is crazy enough to kill themselves and others for X reason. Then all of a sudden 3 planes destroy the most iconic buildings in the US. Of course people are going to have a hard time warping their heads around that.

Are the US govt. covering up something? Possibly, to do with their failings on how they reacted and intel etc. But not that they planned it.

As for F93 debris, if the plane was flying nose down and overspeeding. Part are going to rip off and spread out over miles.

[havatan19 10]

Oh boy.... :j:

Do you have a firestation near you? Please go talk to the firefighters about the effects of fires in enclosed spaces (buildings). They get super hot! In the case of the WTC Kerosene was burning and basically turned the inside of the towers into furnaces.

Yes, steel melts at that point. Towers collapse under their own weight.

yup i have and talked with them. they agree that it gets super hot, but they disagree that a fire can cause the COMPLETE collapse of a steel building. it can happen that the top of the building fall to the ground, but not cause the full collapse, especially when the building UNDER the hitzone is intact. we are talking about steel buildings, dunno how it is with other buildings, but firefighters are no architects or engineers. for technical questions, we should better ask architects, engineers (which already over 1700 agree that it was collapsed due to explosions not due to fire).

oh and btw, firefighters who were on the WTC disagree with the "fire caused collapse" story ;)

Edited November 18, 2014 by havatan19

[papanowel 120]

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[nodunit 397]

Unless he violates one of the forum rules I don't see why he wouldn't.

[surpher 1]

If he loses this account he will just start a new one, again!

[Belbo 461]

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The "do you like the NATO"-question at least hadn't had that manipulative options for answering.

[Tonci87 163]

If he loses this account he will just start a new one, again!

Oh yeah, it´s him, same style of writing^^

[maddogx 13]

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Oh yeah, it´s him, same style of writing^^

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