Russia General

[x3kj 1247]

popularity means nothing if it rides the country into ruin
 

 

I think the situation in Donbass serves this purpose well and it's in Putins best interest to keep the situation inflamed so he can visibly act by send humanitarian "aid", mediating etc.

He/ Russia would benefit alot more if there was peace and a working economy in that area working together with russia  (because they sure as hell won't work closely with ukraine anymore)

 

 

Putin gains favor every time he is going to war or uses power.

Merkel would also gain alot of favor as well if she showed spine for once and decided AGAINST things that are dictated by US  (TTIP, NSA scandal, ...)

A politician doesn't gain favor from doing nothing and not being strong, unless an opponent makes a grave mistake.

[exe_74rus 1]

US under retention of world domination, forced to pursue a policy of strangling opponents.

Opponents of the US today is the European Union, Russia and China.

For grounding of Eurasia, not total destruction that is ground, the Americans made a little mess in the Middle East and North Africa.

Under the same policy, it has been arranged Maidan in Ukraine, and was an attempt to Maidan in South East Asia.

 

The main objective of Maidan, "color revolutions", the destabilization of the existing economy.

Soon vnutrepoliticheskih observe aggravation of conflicts in Central Asia. Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and Tajiks still be all alone.

 

According to Ukraine. Script was evident a few. But all of them would lead to a conflict of EU-Russian Federation. With the collapse of the maximum number of economic ties.

And a simultaneous increase in the presence of these connections Americans. What they succeeded brilliantly.

Stupid Europeans took the game to penalties seriously. And with gusto suicides started to break everything they could reach. The clearest and most striking example is the French with Mistral. So talented pinch yourself an egg door could only geniuses. Especially against the background of increasing trade turnover United States - the Russian Federation. With the new multi-billion dollar projects.

 

It's all very simple. All invented two thousand years ago who loved the nation: "divide and conquer." You just have to check out as it did then, and once it becomes clear how this will be done now.

 

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[spooky lynx 73]

A small scale war or border conflicts are needed to keep Russians wake and remind them who is in control. I think the situation in Donbass serves this purpose well and it's in Putins best interest to keep the situation inflamed so he can visibly act by send humanitarian "aid", mediating etc.

Sure, and couple millions of refugees (and money needed on their settlement and aid), humanitarian aid convoys (paid from the budget), lots of industry and business cooperations and supply chains destroyed (and thus additional money spent on R&D and production) are in the interest of Putin. Oh and deaths of thousands people whose relatives live in Russia (and no possibility to retaliate or punish the culprits) fit his interests too.

[sudayev 27]

Sure, and couple millions of refugees (and money needed on their settlement and aid), humanitarian aid convoys (paid from the budget), lots of industry and business cooperations and supply chains destroyed (and thus additional money spent on R&D and production) are in the interest of Putin. Oh and deaths of thousands people whose relatives live in Russia (and no possibility to retaliate or punish the culprits) fit his interests too.

 

Indeed! Although it sounds unbelievable, but that is how internal politics work and don't be a naive. End justifies the means and don't tell me Valdimir Putin doesn't have anything from machiavellist personality. Popularity costs money, sweat and human lives if necessary. Of course I agree with you dealing with this situation strains Russian economy and by doing his best - Vladimir Putin present himself as able leader and Russian people seem to appreciate that. Currently Donbass is current Russian zone interest where ball is in the field, perhaps in next 5-8 years interest zone will be in other region.

There are many example of making sacrifices to bolster popularity at the verge of elections for example. Take a look on invasion of Iraq in 2004 that gave a re-election to US president George W. Bush. Of course Bush knew the huuuge price his country paid and later on it backfired on him. People have chosen soft'n'lefty Barack Obama.  

I'd say that president of your country knows the "game" too well to fail, years presidency and not to mention service for KGB and later for leading FSB gave him invaluable knowledge and insight about pulling the strings - the secret service way. 

[spooky lynx 73]

You are wrong in one thing: all the casualties and atrocities of Donbass do not add but reduce Putin's popularity. Inability to punish Kiev thugs and stop the nightmare in Donbass on the other side and selling gas, electrical energy, diesel fuel to official Kiev also reduce popularity. More than a year had passed but still there's no 'little victorious war', maidan regime is getting stronger, atrocities in Donbass are higher, no exact policy related to DPR, LPR and Ukraine. All this leads to increase of doubts and anger pointed on our authorities - what do they wait for and why do they still support maidan regime (yes they do it with recent gas discounts, permission of banks operations, fuel and diesel engine sales). 

[exe_74rus 1]

You assume that the logic of a separate Ukraine from Russia.

Following the logic of the Kremlin that Ukraine is part of the Russian world.

Which now seized power a pro-American force.

Russia is forced to fight with her. But the war with Russia does not want her. We do not need a new big war in the Russian world. On this, the conflict in the Donbas was and will be vyalotyakuschim.

 

Georgia is not a Russian world. Russian Georgians are not brothers. In this war with Georgia it was tough and lightning.

 

As for the ratings, and other husk. You do not understand how the authorities in Russia. You judge Russia from a European perspective. For this you will constantly make mistakes.

Russia is not Europe. We do not have a European mentality and mindset.

But Russia is not Asia. We have incorporated all little.

[exe_74rus 1]

Why does it all begin?

Because Russia is no longer wish to be a colony of the United States. Russia no longer wants to pay tribute to the Americans and Europe. Russia does not want to exchange their resources to cut paper the US Federal Reserve and the ECB.

Americans do not like it. And they spend a response.

Complications of relations between Russia and the West have begun to Maidan in Kiev.

During the Olympic Games in Sochi, Yanukovych was still the president of Ukraine, but the West has had a large claim against Russia.

[exe_74rus 1]

Ukraine was just unlucky. She was caught between two fires.

Americans it sacrificed its geopolitical interests in Eurasia.

As before others. From the point of view of Anglo-Saxon, the Ukrainians is only white Papuans.

 

Evropetsy when supported by the state perevrot in Kiev, knew nothing about what Ukraine. They wanted a new large market and pinch Russia.

 

Americans were generally still way, there will be tension zone. The main thing that it originated. Already in Europe. The consequences of any napryazhonnosti is primarily a humanitarian catastrophe. Including refugees. As in Europe are going to solve this problem is unclear.

 

Europeans do not understand you, that you are drained. You can not be broken out. You too boshe and well-fed. But you are very easy to break from the inside. You like tysyacheleny oak. Winds are not afraid but before the worms are unarmed.

[spooky lynx 73]

 

We do not need a new big war in the Russian world.

If it is really so, then during the period of spring-early summer of last year there was perfect time to quit the maidan regime that had zero influence on army, and people in most of Ukrainian regions would meet our advancing forces with flowers. But now opressions and massive propaganda made it much harder, and now topple of maidan regime will be much harder to do.

[exe_74rus 1]

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How do you imagine that? Austrians hundred and fifty years ago, we began to dump on the Russian Ukrainians. Calling them Ukrainians. Then, in this case a lot of work by the Germans. The last twenty years of Tartu Americans billions of dollars spreading anti-Russian sentiment in Ukraine. Do you think it's all just for fun?

It is one thing to hold refrendum in Crimea, where the population is completely been supporting Russia.

Another thing is to do the same all over Ukraine. Flowers would not be. There would have been shot in the back. The most important need for Russia fully support Ukraine. And it is very, very expensive. Russia is now more profitable to Ukraine that kept Europe and the US.

Ukraine today is a suitcase without a handle. Why carry yourself? Let your partner bears :)

 

When Russia said modestly EU, it is not necessary to support the Maidan. EU proudly raised his nose said: "It's none of your business."

A year later, the EU has modestly said: "It is impossible to resolve the question of Ukraine without Russia."

[Rydygier 1302]

Strielkov about modern Russia: an interview for Bielsat TV (no English translation yet):

 

 

"The simulacra policy, yes - they accustomed to creating simulacrum and came up with that you can build them without end that can be a real foreign policy replaced with the simulacrum, the real propaganda - simulacrum, war simulacrum. People unlearned to do anything - just do a nice facade, to panit it a bit, to gild and wash. "

 

 

"We had communism, but he has run out and we have no such idea in addition to money. [...] Russia needs a simple and clear national idea, so that I could every bastard from Harvard explain on the fingers, so that they did not think they were there in Russia have stolen money and put the iron door. To make these motherfuckers feel the spirituality as in 1945 at Stalingrad ".

[ppitm 43]

 

To make these motherfuckers feel the spirituality as in 1945 at Stalingrad ".

And he has the nerve to complain about simulacra.

[d_lukin 16]

Russian passenger plane reported crashed in Egypt’s Sinai desert

 

 

[sudayev 27]

Tragedy..

 

Sudden drop of altitude doesn't look good. With engines failure the airplane would glide for some time before reaching the ground. A straight angle nosedive isn't a usual thing for a plane at the cruising level :/

[St. Jimmy 272]

The interesting part is why it's gaining altittude that much before it starts to loose speed? It goes 3000-4000ft up in a minute suddely. If it has techical difficulties like engine problems that move made it maybe stall then.

[Tonci87 163]

The interesting part is why it's gaining altittude that much before it starts to loose speed? It goes 3000-4000ft up in a minute suddely. If it has techical difficulties like engine problems that move made it maybe stall then.

 

Yeah I thought the same when I saw this, however the airspeed doesn´t seem to drop during the quick ascent. We don´t know how accurate flight24 data is.

[gammadust 12]

We don´t know how accurate flight24 data is.

 

^^ this. Some observations based on flightradar24 datapoints:

 

 

 

- datapoint does not correspond directly to flightradar24 graph (likely to some data smooth interpolation)

- some datapoints are out of chronological order (per timestamp, due to multiple reporting stations - anyone with a ADS-B receiver can share flight data)

- the graph suggests a gradual climb begining just before 04:12, whereas datapoint only suggest abnormal flight parameters begining at 04:12:57

- data is shared transponder data reflecting same data as flight computer

- speed, altitude and vertical speed are air pressure based sensors

[spooky lynx 73]

Some snackbars already said that they are responsible for the crash.

[Tonci87 163]

Well Russian civilians would certainly become a target for ISIS due to Russias efforts in Syria, however we really shouldn´t pay too much attention to some idiots claiming something. I´m sure Egyptian and Russian investigators will soon have a initial explanation on what caused the crash.

[spooky lynx 73]

Theoretically they can do it with some modern MANPADS, but I doubt it is possible really. 

[sudayev 27]

 

crash site video

[sudayev 27]

Any news?

[d_lukin 16]

Only understandable that the plane destroyed in the air, most likely broken off tail.

Now being decoding of black boxes.

[vilas 473]

another Russian plane crush ? our press wrote about crash in Sudan, no details 

[exe_74rus 1]

Crashed in southern Sudan, the aircraft is not listed in the register of Federal Air Transport Agency. This RIA Novosti reported with reference to the Advisor to the Minister of Transport of Russia Jeanne Terekhov. According to the Ministry, the crew of the cargo side of the An-12 was a civilian.

 

According to the latest information to Reuters, in a plane crash in southern Sudan killed at least 41 people: among the victims of the crash - the crew and passengers of the aircraft, and is on the ground people.

 

Antonov An-12 crashed shortly after taking off from the capital of southern Sudan city of Juba. He crashed in the vicinity of the White Nile River, about 800 meters from the airport.

 

Cause of the accident and other details of the incident are being specified.
 

When the crash of AN-12 near the International Airport of Juba, capital of Southern Sudan, two people survived, including a child. This official said the President Ateni Wack, reports Tass.

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