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[Col. Kurtz 0]

Hitler-George.W. Bush comparison

Just came across this article, Im sure Washington is really happy..........

Right, now that I have posted this, I think I might have a recomendation to all you moderators.

Due to this been a topic that could spark flame wars and spam, you may find it advisable to close this thread at the first sign of trouble

[SirLoins 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">from the article.......Daeubler-Gmelin, who is a lawyer by profession, later issued a statement said she had never put Bush and Hitler on the "same level" and said the newspaper's report was incorrect.<span id='postcolor'>

Typical ploy to retract a statement knowing that it will still make headlines.

[ralphwiggum 6]

well, at least Bush is not that smart

[ale2999 0]

Ralph just to let u know Hitler was a dumb beeeeeeeep else he would have won the war

[IceFire 0]

Hitler was a sick twisted man. But I would certainly not say that he was an idiot. He was an intelligent military strategist, and passionate public speaker. Plus, he came damn close to conquering Europe. (Not an easy feat I'd say) He made a few grave errors which cost him the war. I don't remember them off hand since it has been some time since my last history class.

Like I said, while he was evil. He was no dummy. He's one of those people who could have done incredibly good things had he not chose the twisted path he did.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ Sep. 20 2002,14:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hitler was a sick twisted man.  But I would certainly not say that he was an idiot.  He was an intelligent military strategist,<span id='postcolor'>

Well, true in the first year maybe, I must admit he did come up with the scheme to take out Fort Eben Emael with Paratroopers which suceeded even though the fort was suppose to be impenetrable, but he was no master tactition. The highest rank he held in the military before coming to power was Corporal. He made plenty of key mistakes that lost him the war. He left Britain alone to go and deal with the USSR and the other Easten European countries leaving Britain free to rebuild itself. He halted the advance on Moscow , he had his foolish policy of 'dont take a step back' thus many men and equiptment were wasted defending poor defencible positions. He constantly ignored his Generals and Marshals who were some of the best around, and he broke the major rule of Frederik the Great who he inspired too: He who defends everything defends nothing.

But this is not a thread about Hitler so lets kill the discussion about him and stay on target.

[ale2999 0]

those few mistakes show u his idiocy. If he didnt do those u would all count saying Anz fai trai......

[WhoCares 0]

She didn't compare Bush with Hitler, but just pointed out, that he uses a similar political tactic.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Bush wants to divert attention from domestic political problems. It's a method that is sometimes favoured. Hitler also did that," she said, according to a report by the Schwaebisches Tagblatt newspaper. <span id='postcolor'>

However, this was not Hitler's invention, but has always been done... In fact, it is done everywhere, everyday by everyone. Like the man, that shows his big Bizeps, to distract attenion from his small *cough* duck *cough*...

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ Sep. 20 2002,07:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">He's one of those people who could have done incredibly good things had he not chose the twisted path he did.<span id='postcolor'>

Just like Anakin Skywalker.

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ Sep. 20 2002,09:21)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">those few mistakes show u his idiocy. If he didnt do those u would all count saying Anz fai trai......<span id='postcolor'>

Eins zwei polizei...

I don't think he was an idiot. We all make mistakes no matter how smart we are. Hitler had a sick twisted mind but does that mean he was stupid? No.

Here are some examples of nazi leaders IQs and I believe Hitler would've ranked quite high if he had been tested.

1 Hjalmar Schacht 143

2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141

3 Hermann Goering 138

4 Karl Doenitz 138

5 Franz von Papen 134

6 Eric Raeder 134

7 Dr. Hans Frank 130

8 Hans Fritsche 130

9 Baldur von Schirach 130

10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129

11 Wilhelm Keitel 129

12 Albert Speer 128

13 Alfred Jodl 127

14 Alfred Rosenberg 127

15 Constantin von Neurath 125

16 Walther Funk 124

17 Wilhelm Frick 124

18 Rudolf Hess 120

19 Fritz Sauckel 118

20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113

21 Julius Streicher 106

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

If you declare war on U.S. and Russia at the same time you are stupid.

[Sadico 1]

He made a lot of very stupid mistakes, (invading Russia, bombing London instead of destroying the RAF airfields, not developing the jetfighter until 1943-44 even though germany made a jet in 1939, giving orders to his commanders to fight until death instead of retreating to regroup) i'm not sure he made them because he was stupid or because he was mad. Indeed, he had lot's of very intelligent and capable people around him, maybe if he had followed their advice now we would be speaking german

[Col. Kurtz 0]

One thing I will give Hitler, he was good at PR. He managed to get one of the biggest and most powerful nations to bow before him and take out all his wills. He built a nation from ruins and turned it into a dark power.

And there are a few important names missing from your 'Nazi IQ test'

Rommel

Manstien

Guderian

Germany Fielded some amazing Generals

[R. Gerschwarzenge 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Col. Kurtz @ Sep. 20 2002,16:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And there are a few important names missing from your 'Nazi IQ test'

Rommel

Manstien

Guderian

Germany Fielded some amazing Generals<span id='postcolor'>

The IQ list has only those who participated in the Nürnberg trials. That's why some people like Rommel are missing from the list.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ Sep. 20 2002,14:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you declare war on U.S. and Russia at the same time you are stupid. <span id='postcolor'>

He was one of the smartest politicians to have ever lived.

Fortunately for all of us (unfortunately for him ) he was just that - a politician. His military knowledge, especially tactics and strategy, were ridiculous to say the least. One very interesting point: In late '42/early '43 Stalin withdrew from active military command and allowed his generals to fight the war; at the same time Hitler assumed full leadership of military command. Hmmm, at the same time when the tide of the war changed

As for your point about declaring war on the US and Russia at the same time, Hitler was already waging a full-scale war against the Soviet Union in December '42, having invaded that summer. His decision to declare war on the US had nothing to do with his plans, he did it because he was allied to Japan - apparently he was quite pissed off about the Japanese attacking so early.

[DarkLight 0]

Saying that Hitler is dumb is total bullshit!

This man has done things that are incredible, he conquered almost whole damn Europe!

A dumb person can not do stuff like that, the mistakes that he made are easy to judge now. But back then it probable was a lot harder to think if this was a good idea or not.

I respect hitler more than i respect Bush....

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Sep. 20 2002,16:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I respect hitler more than i respect Bush....<span id='postcolor'>

You say that you respect a man that was responsible for killing over 6 million Jews, 10 million Russians and god knows how many others?

I will give you the benifit of the doubt. You have the chance to explain yourself now, or I'll assume the worst and act accordingly.

[Sam Samson 0]

what is this? the hail hitler thread with a figleaf?

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 20 2002,17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Sep. 20 2002,16:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I respect hitler more than i respect Bush....<span id='postcolor'>

You say that you respect a man that was responsible for killing over 6 million Jews, 10 million Russians and god knows how many others?

I will give you the benifit of the doubt. You have the chance to explain yourself now, or I'll assume the worst and act accordingly.<span id='postcolor'>

... another failed fit of spirit of my belgian neighboor ....

by his sentence , i think he meant that hitler had much more head than bush (in his beginning) and that he was much more respectfull with the international laws .....

forget what i just said , denoir , it's one of my not-yet-totally-awake-man divagations .....i woke up at 18:30 <!--emo&

denoir , please don't ban or restrict darklight's posting rights ... he didn't mean what he said , i'm sure of that

and ..... he's .. erm , belgian .... , that count too ... j/k (really bad joke actually)

-edit- : got it : at least , mister H knew his geography ......

-edit- (bis) : he also didn't use the term "pre-emptive strike" to designate a large scale military aggression

[Col. Kurtz 0]

He also didnt come up with petty excuses why to invade. I DONT LIKE THEM! INVADE CONQUER! EXTERMINATE THE POPULATION SO US GLORIUS ARYAN DEUTSCHLANDER CAN TAKE OVER THE WORLD!

Well, maybe he did come up with petty excuses.......

The guy was kinda smart, much dumb and he is thankfuly DEAD.

[ale2999 0]

ok, he had a treaty with russia, he could have invaded england and after that open a new frontline with russia. He was so cocky that he thought his army could beat the russians before winter. Guys he did many more mistakes than this, you can find them on the net (I am to lazy to type all of them). He didnt respect international laws btw. He rearmed germany (he had limits of size for the army airforce and navy) and he wasnt suppose to do that, He occupated Austria and Sudetenland even thoe they couldnt and went in the demiliritarized zone called Rineland (I might be wrong, cant remember the name properly), so don't say he respected international laws.

[DarkLight 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ Sep. 19 2002,20:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ Sep. 20 2002,17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DarkLight @ Sep. 20 2002,16:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I respect hitler more than i respect Bush....<span id='postcolor'>

You say that you respect a man that was responsible for killing over 6 million Jews, 10 million Russians and god knows how many others?

I will give you the benifit of the doubt. You have the chance to explain yourself now, or I'll assume the worst and act accordingly.<span id='postcolor'>

... another failed fit of spirit of my belgian neighboor ....

by his sentence , i think he meant that hitler had much more head than bush (in his beginning) and that he was much more respectfull with the international laws .....<span id='postcolor'>

Well, i'm just trying to say, that i respect Hitler more than i'll ever respect Bush.... Don't get me wrong, i don't like him because he killed that much ppl, i don't like him at all, i respect him.

There's a big difference between liking someone and respecting him. I respect Hitler because this man has done incredible things, ok, those were bad things, but how many ppl could actually do what he has done?

I hate Hitler but i respect him, he really did (bad but) impressive stuff. A dumb idiot can't do things like he did...

I'm sure more ppl respect him, and no those are not Nazi freaks, a lot of normal ppl have respect for him too, and that's obvious! I'll just say this again so everyone understands me: I HATE HITLER! I RESPECT HIM! BUT I HAAAATE HIM!

Now it's time for my best friend....... Mister Bush, i do not like Bush at all, actually you could say that i hate him. No need to flame me, i love america, it's a nice country with a good culture and some really weird stuff that i'd love to see

Why i hate Bush? I'll try to keep it simple, i care about nature, i'm not one of those naturefreaks but i think nature is a lot more important than any other thing in the world like money or stuff like that.

Bush doesn't, he doesn't want to help in all those plans to save our planet and stuff like that.

He cares more about playing war... Of course he does things for nature too, but that just isn't enough when you see what bad things he does to nature.

Next, i don't understand Bush, Bush acts like a "I-Like-War-Cowboy", the only thing he wants is war war war.

Iraq doesn't want a war, that's why they want to negotiate with the US. As far as i know the US have reached their goal, inspectors can check Iraq again. But that isn't enough of course, Saddam has to be killed OR they have to destroy all their long range missiles, nucleair weapons, etc to

Bush isn't diplomatic at all, i tried to keep this reply as simple as possible to avoid starting a flame war, i just want to explain what i said to avoid being called a Nazi and stuff like that.

I'd appreciate it if the more grown ups on this forum would respect my opinion, the cry babes can flame me as much as they want. Personally i don't give a fuck.

This is what i think and the only person who can ever change this is Bush.....

You probable have noticed that i don't like Bush, and i don't respect him....

I don't like Hitler BUT i respect him...

This is what i tried to say, if you still don't understand me or if you feel the incredible urge to reply to my message and call me a M*THERF*CKING US FLAMER, please do... I'll respect your opinion as much as you respect mine.

And remember, nobody gets angry if you stray calme, so if you disagree with me, reply in a diplomatic way and make sure this thread doesn't get closed within the next 10 minutes....

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">denoir , please don't ban or restrict darklight's posting rights ... he didn't mean what he said , i'm sure of that

<span id='postcolor'>

I did mean what i said, but perhaps you now understand that it isn't as bad as everyone thought at first.....

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

and ..... he's .. erm , belgian .... , that count too ... j/k (really bad joke actually)<span id='postcolor'>

SOmeone ban this man!!!

[foxer 0]

How can you respect someone that sent soo many to death,but in the end he killed himself,maybe i can see you respecting him ,if he was caught and shot anyone coming after him.But he didn't ,he was weak.Soo he killed his self I have no respect for anyone that kills themself.The world is hard ,but screw it ,i'm going see what happens until the end.He didn't.

I don't like bush because he was baby his whole life,why other people was getting ship to vietnam he was in the national guard,because of his father.But i can understand why his father did that.Plus he's just running off the name,and using his papa money to get him far.

But i didn't like how they was talking about gore and vietnam..crap going more off topic...

[Guest]

I understand what you are saying Darklight but I think you are misusing the word respect. Saying that you respect Hitler more then Bush is way out of line. I'll just let it be at that.

I'll close this thread since we already have one Bush topic open. These Hitler <-> Bush comparasions are bound to sooner or later end badly and the people posting them end up in trouble.

Closing