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(Vice News) The Islamic State Is Burying Children Alive and Crucifying Them, Says UN

Islamic State militants are systematically mass-executing and abusing children, including by crucifying them, burying them alive, and using mentally disabled youth as suicide bombers and shields in battle, according to a United Nations review of atrocities committed against children in Iraq.

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Beheading, burning people alive, crucifying...welcome to middle age...

Yep that's what i was thinking since western forces came to afghanistan. They are basically in the middle age (if not even dark age?) The only thing that differs, is that some modern technology washed up there.

Now they conduct their kind of crusades ...

During an internship i had a chef who originally was from iran, he said that its quite tragic that arab countries where the leader in many cultural and scientific field. Then islam took over and it all spiralled downwards from there.

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Isis seem to be getting too immersed in their own hype. All their brutality is going to do long term is turn even the Islamic world completely against them.

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How strong is Islamic State in Libya?

Militants from Islamic State (IS) have claimed responsibility for several attacks in Libya - including last week's deadly assault on the Corinthia Hotel in Tripoli. However, with so many armed groups operating in Libya, it is not clear how much power IS actually wields.

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Islamic State militants are able to hold parades in Derna

Some are confused about why IS has turned its sights to Libya. The country has a largely homogenous population of Sunni Muslims, while the militant group has been strongest in mixed societies such as Iraq and Syria, where it has exploited Sunni discontent with Shia-dominated governments.

The propaganda being generated online about attacks in Libya is coming from the same channels that distribute other content from Iraq and Syria.

If IS does have plans to take over parts of Libya, as they have Syria and Iraq, they may meet with some success.

Libya has been in a political and security vacuum since the 2011 uprising which led to the overthrow of former leader Muammar Gaddafi, with numerous different armed groups battling for control.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-31113659

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I'd like to add my voice to this subject.

Daesh is not an analogue for Al-Qaeda, mostly because they have different ways of operating. AQ conducts isolated terrorist attacks and supports those in rebellion against governments they dislike. They operate within various countries, especially where the local authorities are unwilling or unable to remove them. AQ isn't interested in building a country. Daesh is. They operate mostly within Syria and Iraq in order to take territory and claim statehood. Daesh uses the territory it gains to support itself, unlike AQ, which relies on donors and "volunteers". The biggest difference is that Daesh has been providing services for the people in its area of control, attempting to mimic the functions of legitimate governments. While AQ & Daesh both share a common goal of creating a violent caliphate (the concept of which they have, characteristically, grossly distorted), and both attempt to do so with outrageously extreme tactics and a strategy based simply on the destruction of their perceived enemies, that does not make them analogues.

Instead, Daesh is more similar to the Taliban. Both attempt to control a geographic region as a state and both share the same extremist views. It's important to see a link with the Taliban rather than AQ. If Daesh were simply a terrorist organization, we would recognize them as a primary threat to "the West" and simply try to destroy them. But Daesh is not a direct threat to "the West" any more than the Taliban were. The Taliban and Daesh are indirect threats, dangerous because of their ability to motivate violence around the world, but also dangerous because of the fact that territory they control would essentially be friendly to terrorist organizations. The Taliban didn't plan 9/11, but they allowed AQ to plan it because of the type of state they created. This is the real danger people outside of the region face: not a more powerful terrorist group, but another destabilizing influence which supports that sort of lawlessness.

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There's a great presentation by Neil Degrasse Tyson abut what went wrong with Islam:

It's actually a 1h+ video you can see here if interested

Basically Islam 'progressed' today to where Christian crusaders reached 800 years ago.

No disrespect to anyone but other religions are equally dumb. Love you all. :p

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Yes, at least someone is defending the Christians in the middle east ! Who is supporting IS in Libya ? Qatar ?

(BBC) Islamic State: Egypt urges international intervention in Libya

Egypt has called on the international community to intervene against Islamic State (IS) militants in Libya.

President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said that what was happening in Libya was a threat to world peace and security.

His remarks came as Egyptian jets bombed IS targets in response to a militant video of the apparent beheadings of 21 Egyptian Christians.

Libya has been in chaos since 2011, with militias battling for control of territory and two rival governments.

Who will have the guts to clean Libyan mess ? France, UK ?

Edited by ProfTournesol

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I'm not sure if this has been linked yet, but it explained a lot of things I wasn't aware of, : http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Thanks for posting it, this article is a very interesting and educated (and fightening) view of what IS actually is, and in what it does believe, and what it is waiting for. It's as amazing as what sectarian members like the Jehovah's Witnesses may believe in.

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There's no relation between your first sentence and the piece of news you comment.

That some of the Sweden's immigrant resettlement assistants may have been recruiting immigrants for the IS cause, doesn't have anything to do with the fact of offering homes to refugees.

I think that Swedish Gov. and people can be a bit ingenuous in some occasions, but they are doing a pretty good job.

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There's no relation between your first sentence and the piece of news you comment.

Actually it related, that's what most of the leaders and "Social justice warriors" are claiming is the root cause of terrorism.

Canada's wannabe Prime Minister who's father Pierre threw open to the immigration doors to Canada.

Here Justin suggests we fight ISIS with Parkas instead of "Whipping out our CF-18's to show how big they are".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eHHFrd6mS8

The Australian Prime minister just proposed deporting radical Muslims with dual citizenship and sending them their welfare checks overseas.

Edited by jblackrupert

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What ISIS Really Wants

The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths. It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse. Here’s what that means for its strategy—and for how to stop it.

http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2015/02/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

PS.

Save some time, very long but worthy read.

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And once again the leading cause of people becoming terrorists is poverty and lack of jobs narrative takes another shot to the balls.

ISIS executioner 'Jihadi John' identified as Mohammed Emwazi

http://www.thenewscommenter.com/news/isis-executioner-jihadi-john-identified-as-mohammed-emwazi/271594

Well to do family, educated, good grades in school, lots of friends, well traveled.... just like pretty much all the leading terrorist leaders.

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And once again the leading cause of people becoming terrorists is poverty and lack of jobs narrative takes another shot to the balls.

ISIS executioner 'Jihadi John' identified as Mohammed Emwazi

http://www.thenewscommenter.com/news/isis-executioner-jihadi-john-identified-as-mohammed-emwazi/271594

Well to do family, educated, good grades in school, lots of friends, well traveled.... just like pretty much all the leading terrorist leaders.

You have to differentiate between those leading/recruiting and those who follow. The first group is mostly composed of real believers and opportunists, the second group is often misslead and didn´t have any other meaningfull perspectives.

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Was going to post this in its own thread, but I suppose this is fairly appropriate here.

So apparently there's a "non-profit security firm" called Sons of Liberty International. that's been training Iraqi Christians for free. Despite sounding like something out of Metal Gear Solid I genuinely have no idea what to think of this. Only video on the website is a Fox News interview, which doesn't particularly impress me.

There's an option to donate in you particularly feel the need to, and the option to join as an unpaid volunteer.

Guy who set it up is also an interesting character. He's "an international security expert, former POW, and combat veteran of the 2011 Libyan Revolution." Has a film about his experiences there, if I'm not mistaken.

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(BBC) Islamic State 'destroys ancient Iraq statues in Mosul'

The Islamic State (IS) group has released a video showing the destruction of statues in Iraq.

The video shows statues being smashed using sledgehammers in what appears to be a museum in the city of Mosul.

Statues are also shown being destroyed reportedly at an archaeological site known as the Nergal Gate.

One of the militants in the video describes the artefacts as "false idols" and seeks to justify their destruction in religious terms.

Obscurancy and ignorance are very popular today.

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