Back to Arma 3 - Still poor performance?

[shankly1985 1]

EDIT

See post 17

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?182683-Back-to-Arma-3-Still-poor-performance&p=2767004&viewfull=1#post2767004

How do you guys play this game? last time I played it was in the Alpha.. So since BreakingPoint is doing very well I thought I would give Arma 3 ago again.

My system is i7 2600k @stock, even OC to 4.4 see no boost.

2x 290's disable or enable crossfire = same FPS ???

16GB DDR3 1600mhz

Now if I auto select the video settings game will put everything at ultra or max this gives me in SP and BP 20-50fps mostly in 30's surely this is very bad? I cant play it. So I try and change settings to lower things and I still cant get any big enough fps increase?

Both GPU's run at 100% usage and my total CPU usage is only 64% Its here where I think my problem is, am sure my CPU total usage should be much higher.

Any ideas guys? I have even setup some launcher options like

-nosplash -nologs -exThreads= -maxMem=8192 -cpuCount=8

Edited September 2, 2014 by shankly1985

[miketim 20]

Are you playing on breaking point while getting shit fps?

Because if you are, its the servers fault....

[shankly1985 1]

Its on both mate, same FPS on either.

[sgtsev3n 12]

well, if you talking generel, BI did not made any big changes. the engine has still its problems and for most, the FPS is still the same as before.

[Ckrauslo 12]

Man i could play with medium graphics and FPS from 20 to 49 really well and you are complaining getting the same amount of FPS on Ultra....seriously kill yourself...and my PC was shitty

[shankly1985 1]

Man i could play with medium graphics and FPS from 20 to 49 really well and you are complaining getting the same amount of FPS on Ultra....seriously kill yourself...and my PC was shitty

Kill myself over a game??? you ok in the head?

The game is unplayable when you moving about in low 30's or 20's its not enjoyable at all. Am very sensitive to low FPS reason I run 2 high end GPUs and a 120hz display is to enjoy PC gaming at higher frame rate. This game is a bloody mess, and it dont even look that great for the performance hit it bring.

What as this world and gaming forums come to? people asking to Kill yourself because you post on a forum? fuck me

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[Ckrauslo 12]

Do you know you can't perceive more than 60 fps.... and movies run at 24 fps..... you are just ...... oh and have you read the forum rules? my post is not enough to a report so.... yeah go cry in the corner ... i see people enjoying the game in medium high and you there complaining about good consistent FPS in ultra...seriously, go play Battle field or something else

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The game runs without lag over 25 FPS , that's why it is divided between the colors Green "GOOD" Yellow "Bad" Red "Horrible"

[shankly1985 1]

Do you know you can't perceive more than 60 fps.... and movies run at 24 fps..... you are just ...... oh and have you read the forum rules? my post is not enough to a report so.... yeah go cry in the corner ... i see people enjoying the game in medium high and you there complaining about good consistent FPS in ultra...seriously, go play Battle field or something else

Right where do I begin with your Dumb brain?

Games and Movies are two completely different things.. One is interactive and the other isn't so Viewing 24fps or 30fps or 60fps is different when you interact with the frame rate. Movies use motion blur to hind the low effect and blur the frames together to keep the image looking smooth. A game is different were each frame is draw at a single time, this is why you can screenshot perfect images each time. The faster the refresh rate the smoother the image on screen becomes, its this what we see as motion. Think of a cartoon drawing the faster you flick the pages the smoother the motion becomes.

So next time you go replying back and making yourself look dumb have some proof to back up your crap talk.

Here some science to the proof.

http://amo.net/NT/02-21-01FPS.html

[Furret 0]

Do you know you can't perceive more than 60 fps.... and movies run at 24 fps..... you are just ...... oh and have you read the forum rules? my post is not enough to a report so.... yeah go cry in the corner ... i see people enjoying the game in medium high and you there complaining about good consistent FPS in ultra...seriously, go play Battle field or something else

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The game runs without lag over 25 FPS , that's why it is divided between the colors Green "GOOD" Yellow "Bad" Red "Horrible"

Are you saying you cannot see the difference in this image?

http://i.imgur.com/MC5Uh5s.gif

Or this link?

http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates&count=3&background=none&pps=480

Surely you can see this?

http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates-marquee&count=3&pps=960

[bazti 10]

Performance is still a mess.

[DaViSFiT 21]

There are several aspects how your fps are affected on multiplayer.

1. Do you own a ssd for both windows and arma3?

2. server fps?

3. internet connection?

4. cpu / gpu / video ram

-nosplash -nologs -exThreads=7 -maxMem=8192 -cpuCount=8 (arma3 can not get more then 2/3GB Ram, not use more then 4 cores afaik)

On most arcade public server missions like Altis Live, BreakingPoint, Wasteland and so on are many players with high amount of rubbish laying around and every piece is bad for server fps. Together with the really bad server hosting hardware most of the servers are running at, they all have very bad fps. server fps goes from 50fps down to 1-2fps, client is connected to this. So even singleplayer runs good with 100fps (try to tune singleplayer that you have minimum 60fps!), on a server with 5fps you never will see more then 20fps. while you are running 20fps your GPU load is only @ 10% i think shankly1985. Its not your PC that is the limit here!

There are also options to tune the server to get more fps. On my clan our server have 45-50Server FPS on most of the missions we play.

But im also not happy with the performance. 64bit server and 64bit client is really needed and this will still take ages until BI will bring this. BUT even with our server running @ 50FPS i only getting 60% video load and this is a mess.

Next i want a grafic card with 8GB Videoram, Oc up to 4,5ghz but will still have problems on 6h missions. And what about all the players that only have a medicore pc? horrible! This server/client/gpu load issue is the biggest thing that need to be tweaked by A LOT!

[shankly1985 1]

There are several aspects how your fps are affected on multiplayer.

1. Do you own a ssd for both windows and arma3?

2. server fps?

3. internet connection?

4. cpu / gpu / video ram

-nosplash -nologs -exThreads=7 -maxMem=8192 -cpuCount=8 (arma3 can not get more then 2/3GB Ram, not use more then 4 cores afaik)

On most arcade public server missions like Altis Live, BreakingPoint, Wasteland and so on are many players with high amount of rubbish laying around and every piece is bad for server fps. Together with the really bad server hosting hardware most of the servers are running at, they all have very bad fps. server fps goes from 50fps down to 1-2fps, client is connected to this. So even singleplayer runs good with 100fps (try to tune singleplayer that you have minimum 60fps!), on a server with 5fps you never will see more then 20fps. while you are running 20fps your GPU load is only @ 10% i think shankly1985. Its not your PC that is the limit here!

There are also options to tune the server to get more fps. On my clan our server have 45-50Server FPS on most of the missions we play.

But im also not happy with the performance. 64bit server and 64bit client is really needed and this will still take ages until BI will bring this. BUT even with our server running @ 50FPS i only getting 60% video load and this is a mess.

Next i want a grafic card with 8GB Videoram, Oc up to 4,5ghz but will still have problems on 6h missions. And what about all the players that only have a medicore pc? horrible! This server/client/gpu load issue is the biggest thing that need to be tweaked by A LOT!

Thanks for reply.

For me am getting same FPS in both BP and the SP of ARMA 3

I have 250GB SSD for Windows and some game, but ARMA 3 is installed onto my 2TB 7200rpm drive.

The Launcher settings I just got from online, I see people showing how they boost there performance.

Internet atm is 7mb down and 1mb up "Fibre next week"

[St. Jimmy 272]

What is your fps in Bohemia's SP mission(s)? Around min. 40fps should be manageable with your system. No dips under is impossible unless the mission is light. If you're in a car or a helicopter disabling PiP can give big boost to minimum fps. View and object distances and object detail are also things you can try to sacrifice to a certain point. Setting object detail on normal can give a nice boost on minimum fps.

What I noticed about your first post is that you said your GPU usage is at 100%. That means if you're under the fps you try to achieve (likely 60fps?) you need to lower settings that eat up GPU for example AA and SSAO. When you're not on GPU bottleneck and you've tried to compensate enough for the CPU bottleneck that Arma is famous for you (we) can't blame yourself anymore.

[shankly1985 1]

The GPUs being 100% is a good thing, it shows the games is using them. What I dont understand is my CPU usage is very low, compared to other games. Now if CPU was 100% I would have a bottleneck but my CPU total usage is only 64%

CSGO and BF4 have higher usage then this, so something isn't right.

Just playing the training missions and frame rate is hanging around 30's

[Llano 11]

There are several aspects how your fps are affected on multiplayer.

1. Do you own a ssd for both windows and arma3?

2. server fps?

3. internet connection?

4. cpu / gpu / video ram

-nosplash -nologs -exThreads=7 -maxMem=8192 -cpuCount=8 (arma3 can not get more then 2/3GB Ram, not use more then 4 cores afaik)

On most arcade public server missions like Altis Live, BreakingPoint, Wasteland and so on are many players with high amount of rubbish laying around and every piece is bad for server fps. Together with the really bad server hosting hardware most of the servers are running at, they all have very bad fps. server fps goes from 50fps down to 1-2fps, client is connected to this. So even singleplayer runs good with 100fps (try to tune singleplayer that you have minimum 60fps!), on a server with 5fps you never will see more then 20fps. while you are running 20fps your GPU load is only @ 10% i think shankly1985. Its not your PC that is the limit here!

There are also options to tune the server to get more fps. On my clan our server have 45-50Server FPS on most of the missions we play.

But im also not happy with the performance. 64bit server and 64bit client is really needed and this will still take ages until BI will bring this. BUT even with our server running @ 50FPS i only getting 60% video load and this is a mess.

Next i want a grafic card with 8GB Videoram, Oc up to 4,5ghz but will still have problems on 6h missions. And what about all the players that only have a medicore pc? horrible! This server/client/gpu load issue is the biggest thing that need to be tweaked by A LOT!

How exactly will the internet connection affect the fps?

OnT: Yes, the performance is still terrible.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Llano

[DaViSFiT 21]

How exactly will the internet connection affect the fps?

I dont know how its handelt but did you play arma2 over lan? totally different, best fps. Arma3 dont change that. People with 1. - 4. positive / good points dont have that much problems like others.

Its like: Bad connection -> more stuttering, yellow to red chain and back to normal causes lag and so on.

shankly1985: try to tweak your config. Cant be that singleplayer is the same performance then multiplayer. View and object distance and so on...

[shankly1985 1]

Here some screenshots guys, going from Auto detect settings Mostly Ultra to low am only gaining like 30fps..

My CPU total usage this time was only 55% this seems very low to me for a game of this scale.

Images - Settings

https://qf8unq.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pEPRQKtykk9o7TArRjvdgX8_sh_UiI1298xTCxovGCCFjuj8_2YpOx6tSAQARrCIRUWnC1wahuKNJgAplUztftx-_36o62e1YLiPXNEOqPjE/arma3.exe_2014-09-02-14-52-08-246.png?psid=1 (2851 kB)

https://qf8unq.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pzEBSEgRmTBODjZ4zMCbQ_ayJhAW8YbFFFQLlyf4IZhMEPCzNY0rknqo76TcYCvAmNO38uofgSlDFmXnjssnPmDqb5I1i6FjhCmabxQJ9EVY/arma3.exe_2014-09-02-14-52-11-429.png?psid=1 (2875 kB)

https://qf8unq.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pZ4itE7Fa0Fv3XOpZd0FrXS9JA-q-GJJM31oSWTWdaAOdNY4hXqMJIGclYJOqgpd6G_aepBYEjqSCGSi7dtwVr_w6xAnGtHqamlD-h6WNyPU/arma3.exe_2014-09-02-14-52-13-511.png?psid=1 (2878 kB)

Ultra - ScreenShot

https://qf8unq.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2pEKYX-DK5IhYJZ1O727mVnRo64o4Dh1tRskDVoLTTDFwW1Kbw26H34J5xr8WQqGmfVw0mHebWMEgyD_38TmnVsaAAfmpf3AshfnFU6yvzH90/arma3.exe_2014-09-02-14-51-55-.png?psid=1 (3402 kB)

Low - ScreenShot

https://qf8unq.dm2302.livefilestore.com/y2ploTsje3Pn90hvvolyYWSwt-w0Nc6yGWOe9eWaF1wn3ay8wZ8gOvFjCcoBU3ysAlg7rZLQOFMXVzkMRp-ENlPKSxxZUE9HSrWQLpiSc7Axuc/arma3.exe_2014-09-02-14-52-48-.png?psid=1 (2503 kB)

HWINFO64 - CPU and GPU reading

[DaViSFiT 21]

Is there a crossfire problem? Arma3 do support crossfire. Did you tweaked your catalyst settings for that?

[shankly1985 1]

I get same FPS with and without Crossfire.

[DaViSFiT 21]

yes because our second 290 is not used ;) Thats because i asked if you tweaked it right. Is your arma3 crossfire profile active?

[shankly1985 1]

It is using it though. Look at the screenshots and see second Hwinfo image. 2nd GPU runs at its 977/1250

Am putting the blame on the CPU not getting used enough to push the frame rate. 55% seems to low

[RuecanOnRails 10]

Try fred41's registry change and custom experimental memory allocator.

https://github.com/fred41

When running the game, keep as little running in the background as possible. Try to do a reboot before playing if necessary.

As for your starting parameters, try to use the new launcher and set cpucount 8, exthreads 7, check hyperthreading, malloc tbbmalloc (if installed), maxmem 14336, maxvram 8192, nologs.

Ensure you have adequate pagefile as these settings will make use of pagefile swaps for quicker lod switching when it exceeds available hardware memory.

If you have an SSD, you will notice a performance boost when Arma 3 is installed on it. If you have limited room on the SSD, you can monitor various missions and using symbolic links move over some of the files with the highest i/o.

Edited September 2, 2014 by RuecanOnRails

[DaViSFiT 21]

maxmem 14336? Arma3 can not take more then 2-3GB ram, its 32bit.

maxvram 8192? Wont work, sli + crossfire is 2x vRAM, not 1+1 vRam. It does not count together. Tests for my gpu show that my vram is best used when i dont touch maxvram setting.

[St. Jimmy 272]

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The GPUs being 100% is a good thing, it shows the games is using them. What I dont understand is my CPU usage is very low, compared to other games. Now if CPU was 100% I would have a bottleneck but my CPU total usage is only 64%

CSGO and BF4 have higher usage then this, so something isn't right.

Just playing the training missions and frame rate is hanging around 30's

If your GPU is at 100% when you've low fps that means usually that you can get some more fps when you lower GPU demanding settings. If you've under 100% GPU usage and not full CPU usage that means you can upper some graphics that de mand GPU and if you can, lower some CPU demanding settings. But if you've 100% usage when you've high fps you can again upper your graphic settings.

In your screenshots you're GPU botllenecked because you've 100% usage but you're under 60fps so lower SSAO and/or AA. Also your view and object distances are too high. Lower object distance at least by an half (1600m) because that eats a lot of your CPU. You're likely very close to CPU bottleneck.

[nikiforos 450]

You can travel to the future let's say 2020 , Arma 3 will still run the same with computers from 2020.

Oh yes the performance is still poor !

Edited September 3, 2014 by Nikiforos