Israel General

[oxmox 73]

The point is that its reported in the media.

You hear and read in forums that people say other nations intelligence is observing the white house, maybe the president and do similar mass spying on the Internet, or in this case other governments are paying trolls aswell. Of course such incidents are highly possible in the private sector, but its about the government.

Since there are no media reports about it, it is probably for many just speculations.

[mistyronin 1181]

The point is that its reported in the media.

You hear and read in forums that people say other nations intelligence is observing the white house, maybe the president and do similar mass spying on the Internet, or in this case other governments are paying trolls aswell. Of course such incidents are highly possible in the private sector, but its about the government.

Since there are no media reports about it, it is probably for many just speculations.

In the case I reported, I worked with Spanish CNI people, so I know first hand.

[eddo36 16]

many countries hire trolls, as well as politicall parties or even manufacturing companies also hire trolls , for sure every intel agency in the world has troll hired , so it is nothing unusuall,

At the risk of being called a tin-foil hat wearer, I say that makes sense. Cost-effective way to win hearts and minds, or at least create an illusion that more people support you than there really are.

The point is that its reported in the media.

You hear and read in forums that people say other nations intelligence is observing the white house, maybe the president and do similar mass spying on the Internet, or in this case other governments are paying trolls aswell. Of course such incidents are highly possible in the private sector, but its about the government.

Since there are no media reports about it, it is probably for many just speculations.

Signing some Non-Disclosure Agreement isn't unrealistic, as what happened to Snowden.

Edited December 31, 2014 by Eddo36

[vilas 473]

in case of my country - there was ca. 5 years ago scandal that co-chairman of one political party was sending e-mail to members of this party to troll and spam internet, it was called "internet takeover", so it was official party which was in rule in parliament not a small minor party, that was ordering its members to spam and troll , so i believe it is present in many countries too as well as white-intel (press reading, reading advertisments, reading commercials to look for trends)

in case of tv or radio discussion often "the same voices" phone to radio broadcasts to troll about one or other party - they often totally troll, hard to believe they are not paid to spend whole days by ringing to different tv or radio stations to say "opinion",

as democracy is system in which parliament rule country, than when party hire troll, it is like country was hiring trolls cause they are hirred by officials

Edited January 1, 2015 by vilas

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-31015862

http://rt.com/news/227007-israel-lebanon-missile-idf/

UN peacekeeper, 2 IDF soldiers killed: Israel, Hezbollah exchange fire

After a Israeli patrol got hit(and heavier than the official story,cause more than one vehicle got hit) israel reaction whas one off shoot back we dont care where and they hit UN personnel,killing one spanish soldier,not to mention a town on the border. and more will surely follow. will we see a new war again after israel hit more Hezbollah and syrian targets and even a iranian general ,and clame their the victims again so they can go kill anything anyone everywhere because big brother will have their back(again)?

I bet tonight many civiliand will die that are again innocent and have nothing to do with this(supporter or not of hezbollah)

but sofar the biggest joke is that not many MSM's are talking or showing this(big suprise)!

[mistyronin 1181]

but sofar the biggest joke is that not many MSM's are talking or showing this(big suprise)!

I'm not sure if you consider CNN, NY Times, The Guardian, BBC, Reuters, and so on main stream media... but they all reported it...

Some examples:

( Ynet ) Spanish peacekeeper killed by IDF mortar shell in Lebanon

IDF senior official confirms Spanish UN soldier killed from IDF mortar shell, says IDF regrets incident and will further investigate the incident.

( NY Times ) Hezbollah Attack Kills Israeli Soldiers Near Lebanon, Raising Fears of Escalation

A Spanish soldier serving with the United Nations peacekeeping force in southern Lebanon was also killed during the clashes

( Huffington Post ) 2 Israeli Soldiers Killed In Hezbollah Attack

The dead U.N. peacekeeper was identified as Cpl. Francisco Javier Soria Toledo, 36, of Spain.

( Reuters ) Two Israeli soldiers, U.N. peacekeeper killed in Israel-Hezbollah violence

( Wall Street Journal ) Two Israeli Soldiers Killed in Attacks Claimed by Lebanon’s Hezbollah

U.N. Peacekeeper in South Lebanon Dies in Crossfire

( The Guardian ) Two Israeli soldiers killed as Hezbollah missile hits vehicle on Lebanon border

Spanish UN peacekeeper also dies in cross-border clashes

( CNN ) 2 Israeli soldiers, peacekeeper reported killed in Israel-Hezbollah fighting

( Haaretz ) Two soldiers killed, 7 wounded in Hezbollah attack near Lebanon border

IDF forces responded with artilley fire, shelling several targets in southern Lebanon. A Spanish UNIFIL soldier was killed in the strikes.

( Jewish Press ) UNIFIL Soldier Killed in Hezbollah Attack on Israel’s Northern Border

( BBC ) Three killed as Israel and Hezbollah clash on Lebanese border

Two Israeli soldiers and a Spanish UN peacekeeper have been killed as Hezbollah militants traded fire with Israeli forces on the Lebanese border.

( The Boston Globe ) Two Israeli soldiers killed in Lebanese Hezbollah attack

A Spanish peacekeeper was killed in southern Lebanon in the border flare-up.

Edited January 28, 2015 by MistyRonin

[Eight Ball 16]

"Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews, he wanted to expel them" says B.Netanyahu

 

Start around 2:40

 

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.681525

 

Not sure if it belongs here or in the funny video thread...

[Tonci87 163]

Well he sais that at that time Hitler didn´t want to kill all jews and that a Muslim Mufti convinced him to do that.

This is bullshit of course since well before rising to power Hitler had openly declared his intentions, amongst those the extermination, not deportation of the Jewish people. 

After all he (and many of his companions) was affiliated with the Thule Society, a deeply antisemitic organisation, when the NSDAP was still in it´s beginnings.

 

Netanjahu tries to change history to fit his own twisted view on the world. "The Muslims were always hellbend on the destruction of the jews, jadajadajada"

He needs that to justify his actions vs the Palestinians.

[x3kj 1247]

After all he (and many of his companions) was affiliated with the Thule Society, a deeply antisemitic organisation, when the NSDAP was still in it´s beginnings.

Beeing affiliated with an antisemitic organisation does not automatically prove that you want to kill all jews. According to some sources, hitler struck a deal with zionist groups to pressure jews to move out of germany pre WW2, and there was some transportation deal so that they would move to the "promised la Which helped the zionistic efforts to get people to move to palestine. Which would suit hitler because he would get rid of them. (look for it and judge yourself). Even if he was not antisemitic, he had good reason at that time to get rid of them, because jewish world leadership announced that germany is an enemy to the jews and started an economic war. Nobody likes to have an enemy in his own country. Not sure the exact time line in which order that happened... might be interesting to recall.

Hitler was made to appear like the ultimate boogeyman in history by allies (succesfully). How bad/evil he really was may just be impossible to tell now because you will not really be able to tell truth from fakes anymore.

 

Also, WW2/ holocaust has been instrumentalized time and time again. Lot of faked "facts" by allies which does not match up with actual sources from back then from all sides. And Holocaust is used like a weapon by israel to either create fear in their people, justify it for actions or extort money from other countries.

If you don't know it already - check this out.

[vilas 473]

 

 

And Holocaust is used like a weapon by israel to either create fear in their people, justify it for actions or extort money from other countries.

because for some of Israeli business or right wing it became business, a holocaust-business, victim-card to get more money etc. 

their right wing accuse everyone of antisemitism and demands paying, it is for them like acting in movie/theater to be paid, 

the most loud shouting is their congress (not US congress) in ... USA, Jews from USA are most shouting about money from other countries even if they already get compensations from Germany, they want it again and again and again from others , local Jews do not often agree with US ones, but US ones speak for whole Jews in the world, 

and west because of political correctness policy is not capable to act and say "enough, you've been paid compensation already", in Poland they want compensation for buildings destroyed by Luftwaffe for which Germans already paid, so they want compensation for things that Germany paid probably decades ago, also Jews demand from Poland compensation for things confiscated by USSR /commies as well, and lawyers from New York here are veeeery active about it, especially lawyers of people claiming to be far far relatives of people who died in WW2, 

 

creating fear in their people also works, when Jewish trip goes to my city (they are here often) there are always their mossad guards armed by them and they are behaving like someone wanted to shoot at them, 

while we do not have violence on streets and attackers , they are kept in fear that "everybody want to shoot them" so i always see at least 2 armed guards by them (issue is that their guards carry weapons here with some legal problems because it is "silent agreement from Polish police" but in fact foreigners cannot just like that travel with guns, they however do it and our police has mouth shut, although they should not allow to walk with weapons here to foreign police/security/intel officers)

 

i remember document movie on French TV channel called Planete , 

this document was showing "shocking for viewer" comparison from 2 schools on 2 sides of big wall , school in Arabic part (Palestine) and school in Jewish part of Isreal, 

the most shocking in this document was that in those 2 schools kids were taught the same "you are chosen by god, you are better than others, god chosen you, bla bla bla"

and in both schools those kids were listening mostly religious superiority lectures, and this is scary that those schools were similar in teaching about own supremacy basing on "because god chosen so", 

the worst argument that can be for me is "because god told so" - such people never treat anyone other as equal partners, and preachers like Rabin Ovadia Bin Jasuf tell the same what Immam Anjem Choudary, they are in fact the same just using different book, 

thats why their conflict will never be solved peacefully until thy not sit and understand they both are not chosen by any gods, 

 

and those things Netanyahu says from 3 years, now it hit wide public , but i know such his speeches from 2013, similar , in Nov 2013 he said about that mufti too , 

[x3kj 1247]

 

victim-card to get more money etc.

money that never sees the families of the ones actually affected. It goes right into the coffers of the state. For a (tragic) event that may not even have been conducted in the magnitude we are told to believe.