3D Scopes - This can't be right

[Gudsawn 93]

I've never really been a huge fan of the 3D scopes (I usually use a custom TMR 2D scope)), but today I thought I'd have a go on a few vanilla servers.

I grabbed myself an MX and an ARCO, ran about 100m to get myself a vehicle, then I noticed what happens to the 3D scope. This:

http://i.imgur.com/nqTIlyf.jpg (140 kB)

That is a screenshot of me, in prone, after waiting about 30 seconds for the guy to catch his breath. The scope remained slowly floating around the bottom left of the screen. I have no idea why the reticle should ever deviate from being dead-on the centre of the screen in the first place (no matter how fatigued you are), but this is a bit extreme. Surely this can't be right, is this a known bug that I've missed?

Apologies if this is a known problem, I did search for "3D Scope Sway" but couldn't find anything relating to this issue.

Edited June 8, 2014 by Goodson

[SnowSky 12]

Depends on whether your head freedom (don't know the specific word anymore, but it's not the headbob) is set to zero or unequal.

If unequal zero, keep alt pressed to center scope in your view.

Otherwise, your scope should be already centered (in this case freelook would achieve something like this).

[onlyrazor 11]

Depends on whether your head freedom (don't know the specific word anymore, but it's not the headbob) is set to zero or unequal.

If unequal zero, keep alt pressed to center scope in your view.

Otherwise, your scope should be already centered (in this case freelook would achieve something like this).

That's the aiming deadzone. I don't usually experience deviation that drastic when I set it to 0.

[Gudsawn 93]

Aiming deadzone is set to zero, I never use it.

[Greenfist 1863]

It's a known bug, not very well-known one though. I've tried to replicate it but haven't found a way to do it reliably.

It mostly happens when you're fatigued, i.e. a lot of gun sway, and you turn or change stance quickly right before aiming down the sights.

[Gudsawn 93]

It's a known bug, not very well-known one though. I've tried to replicate it but haven't found a way to do it reliably.

It mostly happens when you're fatigued, i.e. a lot of gun sway, and you turn or change stance quickly right before aiming down the sights.

Thanks for the info ;)

[Fadi 22]

Yep, I've had it happen before.

http://imgur.com/a/EeiwW

[alduric 10]

I've never really been a huge fan of the 3D scopes (I usually use a custom TMR 2D scope)), but today I thought I'd have a go on a few vanilla servers.

I grabbed myself an MX and an ARCO, ran about 100m to get myself a vehicle, then I noticed what happens to the 3D scope. This:

http://i.imgur.com/nqTIlyf.jpg (140 kB)

That is a screenshot of me, in prone, after waiting about 30 seconds for the guy to catch his breath. The scope remained slowly floating around the bottom left of the screen. I have no idea why the reticle should ever deviate from being dead-on the centre of the screen in the first place (no matter how fatigued you are), but this is a bit extreme. Surely this can't be right, is this a known bug that I've missed?

Apologies if this is a known problem, I did search for "3D Scope Sway" but couldn't find anything relating to this issue.

Had same problem today.

[oksman 37]

Currently the Sway system and recoil system including the exclusion of working bipod's & weapon resting is to say the least disappointing. I don't think it matters if it's a 2D scope or 3D scope but I might be wrong.

TMR and other modules have sort of changed recoil and stuff that we all love from ACE (A2). I wish for more stable sway in vanilla A3. Anyone remember using rangefinders whilst standing in A3 Alpha?

Sort of the same feeling except for Rifles :P

Edited June 8, 2014 by Oksman
Grammar, must do grammar

[Greenfist 1863]

I couldn't find neither a feedback tracker ticket nor any mention in the forums for this. Strange. I thought this happens to everyone ever since the 3D scopes were introduced? And always in the worst possible time, like when enemy surprises me while running, I turn, hit the dirt and pull the sights up. It's takes a moment to find the reticle in the bottom corner of the screen.

[roberthammer 582]

Ye i can confirm this issue - it has to do with sway and fatigue , also bis is planning to update recoils and sway for the bootcamp dlc

btw they could lock the 3D view to the center and sway should move with the scope + camera together like the 2D scopes do

[squirrel0311 16]

I’ve never had this problem yet I still get stuck aiming in when I hit my map key.

Another thing is how do you get your scope reticle so clear?! I’ve tried turning off post processing but it’s still blurry/ halo’ed.

[roberthammer 582]

Another thing is how do you get your scope reticle so clear?! I’ve tried turning off post processing but it’s still blurry/ halo’ed.

You mean this? http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=15857

it can be fixed by setting the Depth of field to zero.

[Brisse 78]

Anyone who has followed the devbranch thread knows about this bug, and IIRC it was recently fixed on devbranch.

[Fushko 60]

Ye i can confirm this issue - it has to do with sway and fatigue , also bis is planning to update recoils and sway for the bootcamp dlc

btw they could lock the 3D view to the center and sway should move with the scope + camera together like the 2D scopes do

That's the problem with 3D scopes. I have no idea why the devs had the brilliant idea of making the 3D scopes sway without the camera following them. It's completely unrealistic.

[blackpixxel 53]

Because the 3D-scopes with zoom work like all the other 3D-scopes too. And the holographic and reddot-variants also move independent of the screen center.

[2nd ranger 282]

Anyone who has followed the devbranch thread knows about this bug, and IIRC it was recently fixed on devbranch.

Nope, still an issue on Dev.

[Brisse 78]

Alright then :(

[Greenfist 1863]

That's the problem with 3D scopes. I have no idea why the devs had the brilliant idea of making the 3D scopes sway without the camera following them. It's completely unrealistic.

I guess your eyes are supposed to follow the gun sway, just like in real life. It's kinda realistic that the game doesn't do it for you. The problem is that you're not used to it because it doesn't work like that in other games.

[Fushko 60]

I guess your eyes are supposed to follow the gun sway, just like in real life. It's kinda realistic that the game doesn't do it for you. The problem is that you're not used to it because it doesn't work like that in other games.

Yes, but isn't it still too much? I mean, shouldn't the weapon be firmly stuck into your cheek or something?

[Greenfist 1863]

Yes, it's definitely too much when the mentioned bug appears. But when I'm exhausted and maybe shot in the arm, I'm willing to take the penalty of the scope travelling around the screen. In reasonable amounts of course.

[CaptainObvious 95]

Yes, but isn't it still too much? I mean, shouldn't the weapon be firmly stuck into your cheek or something?

Well yes and no, the gun isn't going to hold itself steady, it's the operator of course, IRL this is somewhat automatic and you don't need to focus on doing so, but in Arma you need to compensate "manually", the bond you have with your weapon IRL is missing in games, I personally am OK with it.

[lao fei mao 21]

The issue is actually caused by the parameter "aimprecision" not zero of trans anims(from a stance to another stance), I noticed it since the start of Apha version, it can be fixed by made a addon to set "aimPrecision = 0;" for all the trans anims.

[Gudsawn 93]

I guess your eyes are supposed to follow the gun sway, just like in real life. It's kinda realistic that the game doesn't do it for you. The problem is that you're not used to it because it doesn't work like that in other games.

Well yes, and no. I've only ever fired airsoft guns, so I can't really say I have any experience with real weapons, but I'm pretty sure in real life the scope sight would almost always be dead-on the centre of your vision due to the stock 'welding' into your shoulder. As your body moves (e.g. from breathing), so does the sight - it's effectively attached to your body (this is what TMR tries to replicate, he calls it "cheek weld").

The only sway would come from your arm (the one holding the foregrip) tiring, but even then I don't think the weapon sway is anywhere near as exaggerated as Arma 3 makes out.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Anyone here who's ever fired a real weapon? Maybe you can help us out.

[Greenfist 1863]

Well yes, and no. I've only ever fired airsoft guns, so I can't really say I have any experience with real weapons, but I'm pretty sure in real life the scope sight would almost always be dead-on the centre of your vision due to the stock 'welding' into your shoulder. As your body moves (e.g. from breathing), so does the sight - it's effectively attached to your body (this is what TMR tries to replicate, he calls it "cheek weld").

The only sway would come from your arm (the one holding the foregrip) tiring, but even then I don't think the weapon sway is anywhere near as exaggerated as Arma 3 makes out.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong. Anyone here who's ever fired a real weapon? Maybe you can help us out.

I've never shot airsoft guns but I don't think they differ much from the real ones.

Yes, the gun is welded to your shoulder and your head, not your eyes. From my experience with real weapons, you will keep your eyes fixed on the target effortlessly and struggle to adjust the sights to it. After all, you're not supposed to focus on the sights but the target.

The Arma way feels more like the real life, than some other games which move your eyes involuntarily. A gun sway should be an industry standard, not eye sway. :)