The Future of the US Army? (Needs Name)

[SKasper 10]

I'm currently new to modding in general for ArmA III, but I've modded in the past for other games. I'm creating a realistic ArmA III mod that will include weapons, gear and vehicles that the US Army would be using maybe 10 to 15 years from now. I've already done the gear configuration work, and pretty much everything that is needed to finish this mod except for one thing. I've been searching far and wide for an exceptional camo pattern. I NEED THE COMMUNITY's help, in voting or deciding a good pattern for the gear and uniforms. This pattern must have a desert variant AND jungle variant.

Heres what I think,

The first armpat (ARMy PATtern) is a version of the US4CES.

http://imgur.com/piHGTV2 Jungle

http://imgur.com/bnHKWeK Desert

The first armpat (ARMy PATtern) is a custom version.

http://imgur.com/xNHYHRl Jungle

http://imgur.com/MOncGNL Desert

The first armpat (ARMy PATtern) is another version of the US4CES.

http://i.imgur.com/dfwz4Ua.jpg Desert

http://i.imgur.com/usTnqHH.jpg Jungle

Edited May 7, 2014 by LeRoyOFinnegan

[zeealex 2029]

hmm, being honest, I'm not a big fan of these patterns, it's the images themselves i think, a repeating pattern will be pretty bad for camouflage as it will do little to break up the silhouette.

if i was going to pick one it would be the 3rd pair.

by all means if i've got time I'll create a detailed camouflage based around US army patterns.

[warlord554 2065]

They look too much like USMC MARPAT. Just an observation. The first one if I had to choose. What kind of weapons you have planned?

[Kaxii 11]

Im a great fan of US4CES so I would go with No.1!

And this is what US4CES looks like in RL for you others:

Although apparently the latest in US army camo effort news, is that they may just adopt MARPAT themselves because apparently "all the contestant camouflages were equally good" and so les get one we didn't even test and has been proven to be worst than the contest finalists! YAY UCP all over again!

[handicap 19]

Im a great fan of US4CES so I would go with No.1!

And this is what US4CES looks like in RL for you others:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SFhvJ0tRLfM/T6LnQAGMWOI/AAAAAAAAChw/6bHRMuxHds4/s1600/US4CES+Desert+Field+Shot.jpg

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSOEddr-4M1tpY_eAbEhFibF1Jkbbjd5EwR8VU3VRz6vE0Sgki6MA

Although apparently the latest in US army camo effort news, is that they may just adopt MARPAT themselves because apparently "all the contestant camouflages were equally good" and so les get one we didn't even test and has been proven to be worst than the contest finalists! YAY UCP all over again!

Actually, the future of army camouflage is currently under dev as the Marine Corps gave them a big giant No on that matter. However, since they're wasting even more money on yet another uniform study congress has come down to say that everyone will adopt the new camouflage that comes from the study. Marines are not overly happy with this decision.

It will be interesting to see what the end result is.

And Marpat is better than any boneheaded design big army has chosen in the last 10 years. Why they don't stick with multicam is beyond me since they've already spent the money to develop and field it.

[SKasper 10]

I've been persuaded with ATACs, and have tested the various versions in both Altis, Stratis, Chernarus, Utes and Zaragabad. I will tell you now you are virtually invisible for up to 20m. I love em! The discussion continues!

[tybo25 18]

I'm currently new to modding in general for ArmA III, but I've modded in the past for other games. I'm creating a realistic ArmA III mod that will include weapons, gear and vehicles that the US Army would be using maybe 10 to 15 years from now. I've already done the gear configuration work, and pretty much everything that is needed to finish this mod except for one thing. I've been searching far and wide for an exceptional camo pattern. I NEED THE COMMUNITY's help, in voting or deciding a good pattern for the gear and uniforms. This pattern must have a desert variant AND jungle variant.

Heres what I think,

The first armpat (ARMy PATtern) is a version of the US4CES.

http://imgur.com/piHGTV2 Jungle

http://imgur.com/bnHKWeK Desert

The first armpat (ARMy PATtern) is a custom version.

http://imgur.com/xNHYHRl Jungle

http://imgur.com/MOncGNL Desert

The first armpat (ARMy PATtern) is another version of the US4CES.

http://i.imgur.com/dfwz4Ua.jpg Desert

http://i.imgur.com/usTnqHH.jpg Jungle

Just out of curiosity, did you read my post in the addon request thread? Because this is one of the things I´ve been asking for! :D

Here´s my modified version of my original request which includes some information regarding some of the equipment:

A pack representing the future U.S.ARMY (ECH (+ add on visors and stuff) --> http://kitup.military.com/2013/09/army-unveils-modular-helmet-prototypes.html, IOTVs and plate carriers, new cammo that should be announced this year, carbine other than the M4, the XM-25, XM-2010...) and it´s vehicles (AH-64Es, CH-47Fs, UH-60Ms, Grey Eagle UAS, M1A2 SEPs, M1A3 (yet to be tested/produced), ABVs, Ground Combat Vehicles --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_..._%28program%29, FMTV´s http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_of_Medium_Tactical_Vehicles, Strykers and JLTVs)

I know that some of the stuff like the JLTV, the Army camo, and the GCVs have not been introduced or even chosen, but hey, let´s choose one ourselves!

And as for the camo...http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/02/27/army-considers-marine-corps-camo-for-new-uniforms.html, http://www.army.mil/article/121866/Army_testing_combat_boots__camouflage_patterns/

So it seems we will not know what camo it will be for some months to come :/ But digitalized MultiCam seems to be one of the "natural choices". And from your camo versions I like the second US4CES the most.

Edited May 8, 2014 by Tybo25

[Kaxii 11]

Actually, the future of army camouflage is currently under dev as the Marine Corps gave them a big giant No on that matter. However, since they're wasting even more money on yet another uniform study congress has come down to say that everyone will adopt the new camouflage that comes from the study. Marines are not overly happy with this decision.

It will be interesting to see what the end result is.

And Marpat is better than any boneheaded design big army has chosen in the last 10 years. Why they don't stick with multicam is beyond me since they've already spent the money to develop and field it.

Yeah I know about all that, but atm the latest news is that MARPAT may be what they want to adopt anyway despite the camo effort as guy above as shown, although they have also tried to "soft launch" multicam but crye has put the price too high and so stopped that from happening for now, either way they may just choose a crappy pattern when they get round to it.

[kasrkin85th 1]

xm-29 please. pleeeeeaaase :-)

[tybo25 18]

Hey LeRoy, what do you think of the "Iron man suit" currently in development? I know there are no prototypes you could look at, but will you include it in your mod?

http://www.army.mil/article/125325/Special_Operations_Command_leads_development_of__Iron_Man__suit/

And will/would you include the proposed tilt rotor aircraft for helicopter replacement? http://www.army.mil/article/125578/Aviators_eager_to_witness_birth_of_Future_Vertical_Lift_aircraft/

[SKasper 10]

Ok Guys! I've finished all config work and textures (cept for a couple of vests) I've been making deals with some key modders (Yall know who you are, and thanks sooo much for your help) to get some fantastic custom models for VESTS, ESS Goggles, and Helmets! I will also be adding some custom vehicles to the list and weapons! Hopefully within the week I can refine everything and release the Closed Alpha test, with Screen shots! IF ANYONE is interested in doing ANYTHING (Textures, Modelers, References) ALL IS NEEDED! I intend to create a great mod everyone will love. ALSO with in the week I will release screen shots of our custom island.

We've also got a name! (Thanks PapaBear) Project ARES ARmy ESsentials

[theevancat 277]

I know a lot of this is still under development. Even something like the JLTV has three competitors right now. And we have no idea what we're doing for the M113 replacement aside from maybe a tracked Stryker or a turretless Bradley/GCV. I mean, I guess you could just pick your favorites and roll with them until official word is given, but that means it might not be authentic when they do pick a winner.

[SKasper 10]

Thanks, I really have no militar experience, I mainly get it from Ft. Bliss (Work there), And a team of military guys from various branches in my clan. Hopefully I can get more insight as soon as I finish comp engineering.

IF ANYONE is interested in doing ANYTHING (Textures, Modelers, References OR History)

[SKasper 10]

So I've edited this post, I've finally got my hands on a good version of ATACS, and they now work in game! Now the uniform and gear version is being tested! THANK YOU SOOO MUCH RUSTY of Facepunch! Please tell me if it needs twerking!

ATACS:

Desert- http://i.imgur.com/ImBP8JH.jpg

Shoulder- http://i.imgur.com/FGPVcSv.jpg

Forrest- http://i.imgur.com/4dnQlwF.jpg

Shoulder- http://i.imgur.com/pvxWYeO.jpg

Edited May 15, 2014 by LeRoyOFinnegan

[theevancat 277]

I like the US4CES, but the ATACS is coming along nicely. However, and maybe it's my screen (phone turned on low brightness), it does seem quite muddled.

[disco.modder 116]

A pack representing the future U.S.ARMY (ECH (+ add on visors and stuff) --> http://kitup.military.com/2013/09/army-unveils-modular-helmet-prototypes.html

Motorcycle helmets for soldiers? Really?

[theevancat 277]

Motorcycle helmets for soldiers? Really?

I think that's actually just a bulletproof thing that you slap on the front of the ECH. Like those giant facemasks in that game Army of Two.

[SKasper 10]

Well on Saturday my unit will be testing the mod gear and uniforms, Please be prepared for a video of some kind or alot of screen shots... As for the "Motorcycle helmets" and the "xm-20" those seem really fun and all, but I've dicussed alot with the military guys and have come to the decision it will be alot of retexture along with some custom gear models... Below is the planned list split by retexture and custom model:

Custom:

Vest (SPCS)

Helmet (With Goggles and Without)

DI Hat (Campaign hat, custom model done by Finnegan)

Missile Launcher (Some thing like a Static SAM system)

ESS Goggles

Rextured / Ported

Combat uniform

Patrol hat

Cap

Cap / with Patch

Berets

Boonies

Retextued FAST

Retextured Backpacks

SPECWAR Uniform (Polo Shirt with Various colors and pants)

M4A1

M16A4

C130

C17

AT4

M240

M249

M9

M110

SDM-R

M1 ABRAMS

BRADLEY Mk.V (Retextued AAF IFV)

AC130

Retextured AW Merlin (Ch-66 Crow)

M-ATV M.II (Retextured Hunter)

Carl Gustav

MTVR (Ported By Finnegan)

Blackfoot (Rextured, AH-57 Hawkeye SCOUT)

Apache Helicopter

*List is open to discussion*

Edited May 16, 2014 by LeRoyOFinnegan

[tybo25 18]

*List is open to discussion*

Saw my requests on page 1? I think at least the ABV and Strykers should be added to your list IMO.

It would also be nice to have the FMTVs instead of the MTVRs.

[theevancat 277]

Assuming it isn't cancelled, GCV is to be done by 2017.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GCV_Infantry_Fighting_Vehicle

And then this may be the AMPV (turretless Bradley, which may go well with commonality if an upgraded Bradley is the GCV):

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-b39D_6jaTec/T9FBpLgEvrI/AAAAAAAAbrU/7F2DjLXLpVg/s400/original%25283%2529.jpg

[SKasper 10]

that is very interesting! If I get a really good modeler on the team we would totally go in to that!

[disco.modder 116]

*List is open to discussion*

- Strkyers or some sort of wheeled APC would be great.

- MTVRs are really a signature of the Corps and Navy, HEMTT would be the way to go for Army logistics.

- C130s, C17s, AC130 arent really necessary additions, there are already a few mods working on the same thing. Devote time and effort to something more unique to this mod.

- Chinooks!

- Blackhawks/Stealthhawks!

- Thinking of the Kiowa but then the Blackfoot's a better replacement to go in tandem with the Apache's as scouts.

- Any special forces?

- SF Humvees to go with them!

- Barret .50cal sniper a bit of punch for infantry

- XM-25s (in this mods timeline probably no longer be an eXperiment)

edit: more suggestions...

- Bradley Linebacker?

- Avenger?

- Recovery vehicle, maybe the M-88

- Static Artillery cannons

- Static weapons (probably the current A3 ones would suit with replaced infantry)

- Port of US Army base buildings from A2OA warfare assets?

Edited May 17, 2014 by Modder

[tybo25 18]

Some great requests by Modder! I think the M-777 would be suitable as a static artillery cannon.

More suggestions:

- HEMTT with a Mobile Land-based Phalanx Weapons System (MLPWS). I think this would be a great AA asset. I´d prefer this version http://image.dieselpowermag.com/f/features/1107dp_diesel_electric_hybrid_hemtt_oskosh_a3/31312967/1107dp_03%2Blean_mean_and_green%2Bhemtt_side_shot.jpg over the trailer version.

- MPs with their own vehicles. Pretty much standard texture infantry with a nice "MP" shoulder patch and "Military Police" written on their M-ATVs and JLTVs, which also should feature a basic cop light(bar)/siren.

- A modern interpretation of the 75th Ranger Regiment.

- No matter what MedEvac helicopters and Ambulances we´ll see, please give´em some interior textures that show they are medical vehicles. I would also prefer the use of the red cross on them instead of the red crystal.

And as for the camo discussion, I also like the ATACS (FG) pattern, but it would probably be more realistic to go with the US4CES or a digitalized MultiCam.

[disco.modder 116]

Cheers mate!

- MPs with their own vehicles. Pretty much standard texture infantry with a nice "MP" shoulder patch and "Military Police" written on their M-ATVs and JLTVs, which also should feature a basic cop light(bar)/siren.

Talking about MPs, how about an M1117 with Slat armor and a Minigun?

edit:

and another suggestion - HEMTT Gun Trucks with A3 static weapons

Edited May 17, 2014 by Modder

[theevancat 277]

Do they even put miniguns on M1117s? I thought it was just the turret from the AAV.