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What's funny is that the foreign observers invited were from far right / nationalist parties, such as Front National in France :dontgetit:

love Marine Le Pen. What so "far right" about her ?

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The whole matter with those so called sanctions is: There is nothing the Western Block can do. Te EU cant do as much against Russia a the USA can do against China...it's like trying to force someone to give up by threatening to cut yourself a limb off. That Revolutionary guard goverment in Kiev will perish sonner or later...why should anyone with sane perspective and business interest break with Russia for that bunch of putschists in Kiev ?

The looser in this situation is Kiew anyway and in about 3 months from now noonen will be talking about any sanctions anymore because the matter wil be settled in secret. The call for sanctiosn is only to pretend any actions at all to the deaf and blind and growlingly age demented western public. The ony real winner on the other hand is Russia...because again, like in 2010 Russia has successfully impeded a UKR NATO Membership in a soem way even demasked the spoiled bias of the so called free world that only accepts it's own kind kind democracy. The germens for example never had any chanve to vote, neither for reunification nor for the foundation and membership in the EU. The Public was simply not asked and anticipated to calmly agree...that's 21st century western democracy...just like in soviet russia just with larger TVs and faster cars. it won't take logn an you can see the freedom fighters rom maidan sand in row waitign for food stamps...a sight that is already common even here in Germany.

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http://www.polityka.pl/tygodnikpolityka/kraj/1574043,1,janina-paradowska-rozmawia-z-donaldem-tuskiem.read

"Tusk said that "the state, like people, are not so eager today to help." - The political advantage of the situation in Ukraine will be made NATO's actions more real - said the prime minister, noting that, until recently, in the event of a crisis at our eastern borders, the Alliance was unable to react quickly to protect Poland - Until now, NATO assumed that our fear that something might happen on the east from Poland are exaggerated and do not require any real preparation. Today, everyone can see that the eastern Polish border requires real programs for various scenarios and real preparations."

"- Do we even know what the internal situation in Ukraine? Because arise in Poland fear of the revival of nationalist influence in Ukraine.

- Certainly Ukraine threatened Russian aggression requires more patience . This is the number one problem - anyone who raises his voice saying Russia is one thing, but we are afraid of Ukraine as it have ill will , or does not understand the policy principles . Nobody has to teach us the dangers of the revival of Ukrainian nationalism .

But today, the absolute number one task is to prevent the Ukrainian state from disintegration and being absorbed by Russia. Today, we risk a new Yalta, only the victim is not Poland , but Ukraine .

What is most disturbing in Ukraine , the de facto collapse of State structures . We will watch to ensure, so Nationalists will not govern in Ukraine , but the current problem of this country is that virtually no one govern it. Apart from Kiev influences of current government are small.

- President Putin issued a decree to recognize the statehood and sovereignty of Crimea. Depite differences for me it looks more like status of Kosovo , than simple incorporation into Russia .

- Russia laid hand on the Crimea , which does not mean that we should recognize this fact can not be the acceptance of such activities. Russia not even took care of appearances. It is an attempt of annexation . Maybe Putin is anxious to accustom the West to Russia taking pieces of land. We can not allow this to happen . Question - is it final , or the beginning of the process. There are many signs that Russia , even if not yet decided , is preparing for further action."

http://www.mojawyspa.co.uk/artykuly/31130/Wielka-Brytania-przysle-nad-Polske-mysliwce

"British Ministry of Defence has decided to provide NATO fighter Typhoon. Military aircraft from the end of April will support the Polish air force, patrolling part of the sky over the European part of NATO, ie the Polish, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia."

Edited by Rydygier

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Ha ha, nice indeed. :) BTW our beloved Prime Minister about that (from linked interview):

"- Prohibition of entry and freezing assets is not enough. Everyone expects something more.

Tusk objected - Diplomacy does not mean that the third movement is a war, because the world would be in constant armed conflict. It's more of an attempt to build Euro-Atlantic community in a confrontation with Russia. These sanctions are rather elements of the new political architecture in the Western world, not a weapon against Russia. Not today, but tomorrow, the day after Russia may have a serious problem with the new Euro-American front."

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Hi all,

since this thread is generating a lot of reports of flamebaiting, name-calling etc., be aware that there will be a zero tolerance policy for such things here, starting now. Any instances of personal attacks (no matter what language), other forms of flamebaiting/trolling or significantly derailing the thread will net the offender an appropriate infraction and a thread-ban.

In other words, please keep the tone civil and the discussion on-topic (i.e. about what is happening in Ukraine). ;)

Thanks for understanding.

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You like funny pictures. I've got some.

https://pp.vk.me/c606231/v606231921/3d09/cZbyuhN6pEM.jpg

LOL I like it :D

@AKM74 Either you present proof that there have been maidan protesters shooting or you should really consider if everything you see on TV is true and if you should repeat rumours they create. How many Russian journalists were on Maidan? Not a single one of them managed to record someone sneaking around with a rifle? You can bet your ass that they were looking for something like that.

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http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/rosja-zaanektowala-krym-oredzie-wladimira-putina/s7lt9

- Do not believe those who try to frighten you and convince Russia that after Crimea will be the next region (Ukraine). (...) I do not want to share the Ukraine, we do not need this - said Putin, accusing the United States and its allies is that usurp the right to decide the fate of the world, ignoring UN decisions.
- What supposedly we break? The President received the right to use the armed forces in Ukraine. Russia's armed forces have not entered the Crimea. They already were there. Yes, we have strengthened our forces, but did not even passed the contracted number of 25 thousand people in the Crimea, because there was no such a need - said Putin.
Russian President argued that Khrushchev's decision concerning the transfer of Crimea in Ukraine was unconstitutional. - When the Crimea became a part of another country, the Russians felt that they was robbed - said the president of Russia.

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/zyrinowski-proponuje-polsce-udzial-w-rozbiorze-ukrainy/5xbpz

The leader loyal to the Kremlin, the nationalist Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) Vladimir Zhirinovsky offered to Poland, Hungary and Romania that joined in the cutting of Ukraine.

LDPR leader is known for his controversial, nationalist and imperialistic speeches. He is considered a politician very good sensing the prevailing mood in the Kremlin, some analysts believe that often says what for various reasons can not or do not want to say the Kremlin.

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Personally I'm not listening him. Some do though, and may be interesting to know the fact, media want to cite his opinions for some reason and here particular reason may be to undermine latest Putin's statements. Putin of course also has not my trust anyway but he said, what he said, so here are the quotes.

Besides, after all, someone let Zhirinovsky in the State Duma so may be assumed, at least some in Russia think like him. And this is also good to know even, if this is only marginal currently.

---------- Post added at 15:43 ---------- Previous post was at 14:54 ----------

http://www.polskieradio.pl/5/3/Artykul/1078282,Waszyngton-i-Warszawa-jednym-glosem-w-sprawie-aneksji-Krymu

We stand shoulder to shoulder with Poland and allies, condemning the attack territorial Ukraine. Russia is trying to justify the annexation, but the world (...) debunked Moscow - said U.S. Vice President Joe Biden.
According to Donald Tusk, "Russia's unprecedented decision about joining the Crimea is no longer just a problem of Ukraine, or the problem of countries that share borders with Russia and Ukraine." Prime Minister said that the Russian campaign in the Crimea is a "challenge to the entire free world." - This challenge leads us today to emphasize the importance of Euro-Atlantic solidarity. Not only Poland, but the whole of Europe must speak loudly and firmly that no one can in this conflict remain lonely - Tusk said.
U.S. Vice President Joe Biden: U.S. plans for a European part of the missile shield program, which we announced nearly five years ago, are being implemented. Previous targets have been met and we plan to bring the work to the end. It is our strong resolve. By 2018 in Poland will be elements of the shield (IAR)

(I hope so. We'll see.)

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- - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

It seems that Russian troops may have assaulted the Ukrainian bases in Crimea.

Reuters has more on the storming of a Ukrainian base in Crimea’s main city, Simferopol:

Ukrainian troops said they were being attacked by Russian forces and one soldier, Interfax news agency said quoting a Ukrainian military spokesman.

“We are being stormed. We have about 20 people here and about 10 to 15 others, including women,†an unidentified serviceman told Fifth Channel television. “One of our officers was wounded during the attack, grazed in the neck and arm.â€


One Ukrainian serviceman is killed during attack on a Ukrainian base in the Crimean capital of Simferopol, news agency Interfax quotes a military spokesman as saying (Reuters).


The Ukrainian serviceman who died was shot in the neck, the BBC’s Ben Brown reports. He says two bursts of automatic fire were heard and he says another man, a captain was also reportedly injured.


Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk says the conflict in Crimea has entered a military phase.

"Today, Russian soldiers began shooting at Ukrainian servicemen and this is a war crime without any expiry under a statute of limitations," Ukrainian PM Yatseniuk continues.

Prime Minister Yatseniuk says he has ordered his defence minister to call a meeting with his counterparts from Britain, France, and Russia - signatories to a 1994 treaty guaranteeing Ukraine's borders - to "prevent an escalation of the conflict".
Edited by MistyRonin

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yesterday one Tatar was killed, now one Ukrainian soldiers and second wounded

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One note: that guy was missed since 03/02/14, officially registered as missing by MVD 04/02 but his body was found only two days ago.

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One note: that guy was missed since 03/02/14, officially registered as missing by MVD 04/02 but his body was found only two days ago.

Not the same guy, the one on the news has been killed today ( a few hours ago ).

Russian sources:

#Russia version of Simferopol shooting says #Crimea "self-defense fighters were shot by a sniper," 1 killed.

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I fear that there will now be extremist parts of the population trying to take advantage of the confused situation.

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Hey, remember that group of morons (not insulting any forum members, talking of public figures) who suggested Putin be awarded the Nobel Peace price a few months back? Yeah...

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Hey, remember that group of morons (not insulting any forum members, talking of public figures) who suggested Putin be awarded the Nobel Peace price a few months back? Yeah...

why not ? there was old joke about Stalin:

"-comrade stalin is very good man, very loving man,

- why you say like this ?

- cause i have seen once when he took a baby to photography and put this kid back on ground,

- so what ?

- but he could kill it, and not killed"

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http://www.rp.pl/artykul/69986,1094975.html

Probably it comes to the division of Ukraine as a result of the activities of new illegal authorities in Kiev, consisting of nationalists and radicals. In this situation, the Russian authorities have dealt with the issue of Transnistria to join the Russian Federation. This process can speed up the Euro-Atlantic ambitions of Chisinau.
Russian statehood historically, typologically and genetically is inherently imperial. This terminology, however, carries no connotation of some negative. The Russian Empire in different periods of its existence experienced times of triumphs, crises and breakdowns. Although it remained imperial Russia, multicultural and multi-religious country.

The reunification of the Crimea is a testament to the restoration of Russia's once lost power. Russia begins an open policy of systematic and hard to defend their interests in the international arena, as well as defending the rights of their fellow countrymen and allies. Of course, the enemies of Russia will treat this phenomenon as a revival of Russian imperialism. Moscow, however, calmly responds to similar charges. Throughout its history, we were still accused of something. Apart from this, our country will survive the next thousand years.

(Reszetnikov, director of the Russian Institute for Strategic Studies (RISS))

Let's analyze that one a bit. Note, for him/them existence = imperial power and imperialism = essence of the vital interests of the country. All actions, we saw, are only "defense" of threatened existence thus nothing wrong with them. And any criticism will be ignored by definition, treated as complaints of "enemies" (who complains - is an enemy and threat, obvious). Very important point, they are really believe, they are threatened by some enemies (West? NATO? UE? USA?). Absurdal, but true. Paranoic country? Or not. After all imperium is expansive by nature, so everone, who want to stop its expansion is a threat to their imperial ambitions (= existence!; expansion = defense) thus is an evil enemy.

Apparently he/they think, all what was once part of former USSR, this sinister construct built on fear and injustice, on sea of blood and dozens of milions of victims, kept toghether by communistic terror, forged by criminals like Stalin, is their natural and eternal property because of that fact and by justice. Because "they felt robbed" :o: (by Putin) when this bloody monstrum finally collapsed into pieces. No any negative connotation? For them - of course not. Rest are complaining enemies or material for expansion.

On what morality/mentality all this is built? Other tradition? Other culture? Other civilization? Other universe, I would say. We Are the Borg. You Will be Assimilated. Resistance is Futile. That kind of stuff.

Edited by Rydygier

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Seems like concern about imperial ambitions leave not enough resources to take care about quality of life of their own citizens. A question, why imperial ambitions are something good for people is still open. Well, if ambitions are big enough, you can hide many unsolved problems behind them. Maybe that's about it. An easier way for some, I guess.

In his speech in Moscow, President Vladimir V. Putin defended Russia’s actions in Crimea by pointing out past Western “interventions,†including Libya and Afghanistan, at length.

Typical for them, I suppose. "West" did same (or rather he thinks/says so), so his actions magically became good too because of that. Ergo - Russia uses West as own moral reference point, a compass? Or is trying to hide own crimes behind loud pointing suppose hypocrisy of the others? "You are bad, so it is good, when we are bad too". They really believe, this would justify anything? Or only want to make their people to believe in such a lie?

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So basically "you did one bad thing, so I can do a bad thing. But because I'm inherently a bad guy, my bad thing can be even more bad than yours".

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Looks like the Putschist are already robbing Ukraine before their star is sinking completly. This is including the scythic gold artifacts.

The problem is...Gold that is once in the USA will never be given back. A fact that the federal bank of germany had to learn the hard way in 2012 we only got 6 tons back of the 300 planned of 1500 tons that were stored in the USA and all the ingots had 2013 index maks none of them was one of the original "Bundesbank" ingots. The original plan was to repatriate 50 tons of gold a year... that plan is dropped now suddently. The US is in dire need of gold to serve it's creditors.

Fort Knox is empty!

http://iskra-news.info/news/segodnja_nochju_iz_borispolja_v_ssha_strartoval_samoljot_s_zolotym_zapasom_ukrainy/2014-03-07-9122

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraines-gold-reserves-secretely-flown-out-and-confiscated-by-the-new-york-federal-reserve/5373446

http://www.schweizmagazin.ch/nachrichten/ausland/18606-Ukraine-Amerikaner-schnappen-sich-das-Gold-der-Skythen.html?print

and about the awfully slow gold return:

http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/vermutung-wo-sind-goldreserven-verschwoerung-verschwoerer-vermuten-leere-goldtresore-bei-us-zentralbank-fed-9_id_3519983.html

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