Ukraine General

[mistyronin 1181]

Maybee there is some confussion about what i mean.: Children are forced to go to school. This is what i mean with compulsory education. Also its the only way government can be sure that education is compulsory.

Yeah, that's how it works in most of the World including the US.

The link I showed you before lists all the years that children are legally forced to go to school by country.

To say it in plain simple English: Compulsory education is an standard World wide.

About the rest of what you said I won't even get into it as I feel you don't believe a word of what you said and you are just flame-baiting to derail the thread; and I'm not interested in that.

That or you have one of the most blindly extremist points of view I've ever seen in my life; in which case I'm not interested either.

[Tonci87 163]

Well Spookygunship I honestly don´t have the will to write about everything you wrote, but you are wrong for almost the whole time....

But the language makes it much easier for the few smart people to give very detailed and accurate instructions to the working drones.

Also da musst du mir mal erklären in wie fern die Deutsche Sprache geeigneter ist um Anweisungen zu geben als z.B. die Englische. Mit Beispielen natürlich. Völliger Unfug den du da schreibst.

[SpookyGunship 10]

To say it in plain simple English: Compulsory education is an standard World wide.

Just saying "most democratic countries do this and that" and "this is standard world wide" doesn't mean anything and doesn't affect my argument in any way. And here we are right back at the beginning of this whole thing, the collectivist mindset.

Völliger Unfug den du da schreibst.

Both Statements, to say that i'am wrong at almost the whole time and that what i say is bogus, are not factual statements but rather an expression of your emotional based view. Your whole Post #6727 is an emotional statement that is supposed to tell me how you feel about what i say, and whats the point in that? Why do you even respond when you don't have the will to even write about it? You are just wasting time for both of us.

Also, german is a very mechanic language and perfekt for giving orders. Other languages, i made most of that kind of expierence with romanic languages, don't work that way. But you know what? I don't have the will to give you some language lessons right now.

[negah 26]

Guys, we should keep it in english, as many do not understand german.

Nevertheless Id also like to know, how german language is better at giving orders and manipulating the people than english.

[SpookyGunship 10]

Nevertheless Id also like to know, how german language is better at giving orders and manipulating the people than english.

1. I never said anything about manipulation.

2. I never said its better than english.

[negah 26]

1. I never said anything about manipulation.

2. I never said its better than english.

But the language makes it much easier for the few smart people to give very detailed and accurate instructions to the working drones.

This comment pretty much implies that the germans are being manipulated into being working drones.

Besides you have just accused a whole nation of being mindless. I know you didnt say that exact word, but I guess you know what "drone" means since you have used that word.

If something makes things easier than something else, that means that that particular thing is better at achieving that specific goal than its competition.

[Tonci87 163]

Just saying "most democratic countries do this and that" and "this is standard world wide" doesn't mean anything and doesn't affect my argument in any way. And here we are right back at the beginning of this whole thing, the collectivist mindset.

Both Statements, to say that i'am wrong at almost the whole time and that what i say is bogus, are not factual statements but rather an expression of your emotional based view. Your whole Post #6727 is an emotional statement that is supposed to tell me how you feel about what i say, and whats the point in that? Why do you even respond when you don't have the will to even write about it? You are just wasting time for both of us.

Also, german is a very mechanic language and perfekt for giving orders. Other languages, i made most of that kind of expierence with romanic languages, don't work that way. But you know what? I don't have the will to give you some language lessons right now.

You know what?

I speak English, German, Croatian and a little bit of French and Spanish.

I have insight into Germanic, Slavic and Roman languages. Please explain how German is better suited to giving orders than any other language from those families. Go on, provide some facts with evidence instead of made up bullshit.

[SpookyGunship 10]

This comment pretty much implies that the germans are being manipulated into being working drones.

No, you interpret something in it that isn't there because i didn't say it. So don't talk about it as it would be a fact as gravitation or something.

Besides you have just accused a whole nation of being mindless.

Also not true. I said in post #6721 : The germans are just as dumb and lazy as people everywhere else.

Well, so much for manipulating. The only one manipulating here seams to be you.

So let me clearify that one last time: They are not different than people elsewhere and their tendency to work hard is a myth. After the war there were a bunch of people who fleed in their work to suppress psychological traumas and the old crap that was destroyed was replaced by new stuff. This mixture created a short boom. It was for the most a relativly small number of people organizing the reconstruction, the new technology and free market economy, not that they would work harded than people elsewhere. For example, by now you have more university students than people who train for a job in germany, and for the first one the taxpayer pays. They don't wanna work, they wanna have some easy time. Also, even if i didn't do it, i should probably call germany a mindless nation. Hell, it is already that bad that the Ukrainians who came during the Visa Scandal 99-02 went right away through to Canada and the USA, to finaly say something related to Ukraine again.

Go on, provide some facts with evidence instead of made up bullshit.

Don't act bitchy. Makes you look like a fool.

[Tonci87 163]

No you are the fool here, again you haven´t provided any evidence to back up your ridiculous claims. And I know you can´t.

[maddogx 12]

And I know you can´t.

Nope, because he has now been banned from the thread forum for persistent derailing and flamebaiting.

Back to the topic please - Ukraine.

Edited December 8, 2014 by MadDogX
update

[mistyronin 1181]

( The Washington Post ) Crafting a win-win-win for Russia, Ukraine and the West

Recent reports of more troop and equipment movements into the separatist-held regions of Ukraine suggest that Russia is once again seeking to stir up trouble. The natural Western reaction has been to respond with firmness. Sanctions may be tightened; defensive weaponry may be provided to Ukraine’s underequipped and overmatched military. Given such bullying Russian tactics, this reaction is not only natural but perhaps inevitable.

[beastcat 14]

After battle with russians at border

After ambush

Looks like these strange little cars are holding up pretty well. In both cases the crew was unharmed.

[oxmox 73]

Ukraine: Big Energy Crisis

Mass electricity cuts since June due to the absent of Russian Gas & Coal Mines disrupted by seperatists.

No fuel to produce electricity countrywide at high capacity.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

You know that the last President of Ukraine made deals with Royal Dutch Shell for natural gas exploitation in the Ukraine, basicly making GazProm Pipelines obsolete? Ukraine doesn't need russian gas. Europe doesn't need russian gas. Most likely the russians themself toppled Janukovitch because of that. And remember NATO Chief Rasmusen saying that Anti-Fracking Movements were organized by the russians.

Doesnt matter if he cant answer anymore............

The 7 sisters (Royal Dutch Shell is one of them) are doing business all over the world, this isnt a surprise.

Europe does not need russian gas ?

There are several countries in Europe which are almost 100% dependant on russian gas currently. Russia is a big player in Europe when it comes to gas and an important business partner in the energy sector. From where otherwise should the ressources comming from right now.

When it comes to the german Social Democracy, it is true that the roots were influenced by Marx and the beginnings did start 1848 (german revolution for democratic reforms 1848/49) even before the state Germany did exist. In 1890 the former Socialist Workers Party Germany did change their name into the Social Democratic Party (SPD) and this party still exists until nowadays. But this does not mean their former more radical roots did maintain, there were a lot of changes about the German Social Democracy and you cant call it Socialism nowadays.

For the US everything is Socialism even if it is Social Democracy, you can hear this from politicians talking about the post war era and from some people from the US nowadays. But some of them know a bit more and how things changed since more than 150 years. Even parties like the CDU (Christian Democratic Union - Merkel is a member of it) which were founded in the mid late 40s after the war, did have a more christian socialism and an "anti-capitalistic" programm. But they did all dissociate from true Socialism and Communism - voila the Social Market Economy was born. You cant mix this with true Socialism/Communism - it was introduced in the former GDR (East Germany).

Yes it is true Germany has an anti-capitalistic herritage, doesnt matter if it did come from the political left or right. But you know what, most countries in Europe had a similar political influence and actually people love their welfare states how they exist right now and it was a long way to achieve it. People still have to do efforts to maintain it, the bloodsucker are scratching on the doors. Europe has a tradition for social walfare states and political movements for humanity and not for antisocial government politics. The US and Europe are still very different.

(some infos taken from wikipedia)

Edited December 8, 2014 by oxmox

[beastcat 14]

[mistyronin 1181]

Beastcat I'm pretty sure no one with a minimal historical-political knowledge and common sense believes that there are nazi or fascists ruling Ukraine.

Tho probably a NATO document is not gonna be the best source to document the situation. On the other hand people at Vice News have done a better and more trustworthy job.

[beastcat 14]

Beastcat I'm pretty sure no one with a minimal historical-political knowledge and common sense believes that there are nazi or fascists ruling Ukraine.

Tho probably a NATO document is not gonna be the best source to document the situation. On the other hand people at Vice News have done a better and more trustworthy job.

I just posted it because its from NATO. I'm sure most of the people here know and the people who believe Ukraine is ruled by nazi fashists are a lost cause anyway (At least in my opinion its not worth waisting your time).

[Heeeere's johnny! 51]

Some information on racism in Ukraine:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_and_discrimination_in_Ukraine#Discrimination_against_Russians

And some details:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russophobia#Ukraine

I wouldn't underestimate the racism problems Russia and Ukraine have, especially against each other. IMHO, NATO Channel is as (un)reliable as russian and ukrainian mass media. They are not independent hence their opinion is a political one, not a journalistic one.

[ProfTournesol 956]

If a foreign country was trying to destabilize mine, i think i would be that country-o-phobic.

[mistyronin 1181]

If a foreign country was trying to destabilize mine, i think i would be that country-o-phobic.

You meant a foreign country that has a long history of aggression and oppression against my people, invaded part of my country and tried to destabilize the rest?

I wonder why Ukrainians may have reasons to hate the Russia...

[Sub-Human 10]

Europe does not need russian gas ?

There are several countries in Europe which are almost 100% dependant on russian gas currently. Russia is a big player in Europe when it comes to gas and an important business partner in the energy sector. From where otherwise should the ressources comming from right now.

Europe does not need Russian gas. In the next 10-15 years Gazprom will likely be completely out of business in Europe and better find a new market. The Black Sea has a very large natural gas reserve that Romania and Bulgaria can use (up to 600 billion cubic metres). Romania also has one of the largest shale gas reserves in Europe. In addition there are plans to import Western European gas, a project that will cost 750 million euro and deliver upwards of 25 billion cubic meters (compare this to $1 bln. USD that Bulgaria was supposed to donate to South Stream project). And Turkey is planning a new pipeline from Azerbaijan that will deliver about 20 billion cubic meters.

[Tonci87 163]

Also Croatia is planning to extract the large gas reserves under the Adria. Europe will be far less dependant on Russian gas in the future

[beastcat 14]

If a foreign country was trying to destabilize mine, i think i would be that country-o-phobic.

The state, maybe. But a as my understanding goes a phobia describes an unreasonable fear of something and since there is a real reason its not a phobia. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not getting-shot-o-phobic.

Also they are speaking about ethnic russians, not the russian state and since pretty much half the people are ethnic russian and pretty much everyone speaks russian I doubt they will fear themselves.

Of course I became way to technical and that wasn't your point, but yeah. :D

[oxmox 73]

Europe does not need Russian gas. In the next 10-15 years Gazprom will likely be completely out of business in Europe and better find a new market. The Black Sea has a very large natural gas reserve that Romania and Bulgaria can use (up to 600 billion cubic metres). Romania also has one of the largest shale gas reserves in Europe. In addition there are plans to import Western European gas, a project that will cost 750 million euro and deliver upwards of 25 billion cubic meters (compare this to $1 bln. USD that Bulgaria was supposed to donate to South Stream project). And Turkey is planning a new pipeline from Azerbaijan that will deliver about 20 billion cubic meters.

We should look at the present time and not just what is possible in 10-15 years. There are countries currently in Europe which are almost fully or highly dependant on Russian gas.

Edited December 9, 2014 by oxmox

[beastcat 14]

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

Lol that BS is prob the worst piece of propaganda crap ive seen so far, beast you really need to get better stuff! try harder or try the truth mayby.