Ukraine General

[Tonci87 163]

Promising them a safe corridor to withdraw and then ambushing them is really low....

Shows what kind of people the rebels are.

Edited September 6, 2014 by Tonci87

[oxmox 73]

You can always use Google translate, and if you don't trust that system learn the Cyrillic Alphabet ( which is not excessively difficult, I did in a week ) and with a Russian dictionary you can get the general idea.

But the sources from those reports doesn't seem much faithful.

On the other hand, the Ukrainian Army has indeed suffered heavy loses for what it should be a counter-insurgency operation ( that is not, you just have to check that the pro-Russians magically have created out of the blue an army with better equipment than a lot of countries in Europe... ).

But according to the data from your link, the numbers are close to the main WW2 battles, which is practically non-sense. As it would mean that the Ukrainian Army has been wiped out. If it's so... from where are the vehicles from the independence parade a couple weeks ago?

That would only make sense if there was a full fledged invasion of Ukraine by Russia or the US, and that hasn't happened ( yet ).

Ah..common.

In the "main" battles in ww2 some hundred thousands did die i.e. battle of moscow, battle of Stalingrad, battle of berlin,

We have people here in the forum which know Cylliric as their motherlanguage, if the links are really important they will contribute maybe.

I do not even know what numbers are you talking about. Actually they mix in missed/deserted soldiers into their numbers, for example I did post many pages ago a video with the content about "83 people did come back from 4000"...nobody knew at this date if they are missed/deserted or if they just did not report back.

But Iam not really that interested to invest time to research more of the ressources/referings....if others want to do it, go ahead.

Edited September 6, 2014 by oxmox

[mistyronin 1181]

( The Guardian ) Ukraine ceasefire under threat amid claims of shelling near crucial port city

Witnesses in the Ukrainian port of Mariupol reported sustained explosions outside the city and a volunteer battalion of Ukrainian fighters said that Grad rockets had been fired at its positions.

[oxmox 73]

TV reports about "casualties" (is this the ukrainian TV ? )

The casualties are reported for the time between 1st August - 5th September - thats a little bit more than a month.

4363 dead and wounded

245 tanks

853 armored vehicles

509 mortars

14 aircrafts

10 drones and a lot of other military equippment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXU8tnOyO28

[mistyronin 1181]

TV reports about "casualties" (is this the ukrainian TV ? )

:j: I mean, I get that you don't read Cyrillic, but the Rossiya 24 hours in the upper corner it's pretty obvious...

Channel that is known to be one of the worst Kremlin propaganda sources with RT ( would be something like FOX in the US ).

( P in capital means "R" in capital in Russian; O is "O", C is "S", the inverted N is something similar to "I" and the inverted R is "YA"; so ROSSIYA = RUSSIA ).

If you want "proper" Kremlin funded information, check RIA Novosti.

EDIT: I forgot to say that this channel is forbidden in Ukraine.

Edited September 7, 2014 by MistyRonin
Adding EDIT

[oxmox 73]

:j: I mean, I get that you don't read Cyrillic, but the Rossiya 24 hours in the upper corner it's pretty obvious...

Channel that is known to be one of the worst Kremlin propaganda sources with RT ( would be something like FOX in the US ).

( P in capital means "R" in capital in Russian; O is "O", C is "S", the inverted N is something similar to "I" and the inverted R is "YA"; so ROSSIYA = RUSSIA ).

If you want "proper" Kremlin funded information, check RIA Novosti.

EDIT: I forgot to say that this channel is forbidden in Ukraine.

Thank you for your confirmation that this TV channel is not from the Ukraine. Maybe I would have not posted it if I knew about it before.

The first victim in a war/conflict is the "truth".

Someone should not only be careful with what Russia or the Ukraine says, we should also be careful about what the west is saying in the media.

gn8 :cheers:

Edited September 7, 2014 by oxmox

[mistyronin 1181]

Thank you for your confirmation that this TV channel is not from the Ukraine. Maybe I would have not posted it if I knew about it before.

I really encourage you at least to learn the Cyrillic alphabet, it's worth it, and it will only take you a few days. Besides that the Russian language is IMO really nice and culturally rich.

You'll see that knowing it you may be able to understand a good amount of words ( some are even exactly as in English, like flag = Флаг, Ф = F, л = L, а = A ( can also be pronounce close to o ), г = G ).

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BTW I recommend everyone to watch today's Vice News report, called: Aftermath of Ambush on Ukrainian Forces: Russian Roulette (Dispatch 75)

I'm not gonna link it nor add it here, as it contains a few "gore" scenes at the end.

[mistyronin 1181]

Report from Friday night and Saturday in Mariupol.

It can be seen against who were the Grad rockets shoot at during the ceasefire.

[Dwarden 1124]

here is the video of the Ilovaysk battalion and it's fate filmed by german TV team

[ProfTournesol 956]

Vice News Dispatch 75 is interesting to watch, notably when the Vice News reporter said he saw soldiers equiped in a totally different manner than the standard rebels, but he couldn't film, he also said that the rebels were abviously trying to hide this. Besides, the very precise shelling against retreating Ukrainian troops, with so many destroyed vehicles and casualties is obviously not done by volunteers and rebels.

[beastcat 14]

TV reports about "casualties" (is this the ukrainian TV ? )

The casualties are reported for the time between 1st August - 5th September - thats a little bit more than a month.

4363 dead and wounded

245 tanks

853 armored vehicles

509 mortars

14 aircrafts

10 drones and a lot of other military equippment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXU8tnOyO28

Interesting how they say they destroyed almost two times the amount of Grads that exist in the entire country, more than a third of all tanks and almost half of all armored vehicles.

On wikipedia it says that the separatists destroyed up to 20 Bulat tanks.

Wikipedia also says that up to 959 ukrainian soldiers have been killed, 3000+ wounded and 1880 captured.

As for the separatists, 1017 militants and 200 russian soldiers have been killed and up to 450 russian soldiers have been wounded.

Oh and here is something interesting I didn't know about:

Russian defectors to Ukraine

On 19 July Ilya Bogdanov, a former Russian FSB lieutnant in Vladivostok, defected to Ukraine claiming that he couldn't longer stand the lies used by Russia to stimulate the situation in Eastern Ukraine and Dagestan, where he served earlier.[449] On 24 July Russian army serviceman Andrej Balabanov asked for political asylum in Ukraine stating "I finally took a decision not to take part in this war and sided with Ukraine. This is my protest against Russia's political leaders".[450] Balabanov claimed his unit had sent "military intelligence, GRU, experts and Chechens" into Ukraine to help the separatists.[450] He went on to claim his unit had been "continuously brainwashed into believing they would be sent to Ukraine to save their Russian-speaking brothers".[450]

Edited September 7, 2014 by beastcat

[Tonci87 163]

here is the video of the Ilovaysk battalion and it's fate filmed by german TV team

What a nightmare.

Their driver should see if he can get a contract as a rally driver.

Enable subtitels if you don´t speak German!

[astral4eg 10]

Report from Friday night and Saturday in Mariupol.

It can be seen against who were the Grad rockets shoot at during the ceasefire.

missed 74 and 75 episodes (21+)

Minsk ceasefire protocol: Ukraine to be decentralized, special status for Lugansk, Donetsk

Edited September 7, 2014 by astral4eg

[Tonci87 163]

We didn´t miss it, we didn´t want to post that on purpose because it is too violent for this forum.

[mistyronin 1181]

As Tonci said the episodes 74 and 75 are against the rules of the forum, so that's why we didn't add them here ( although if you check, I recommended everyone to search them in Google ).

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( Amnesty International ) Ukraine: Mounting evidence of war crimes and Russian involvement

Ukrainian militia and separatist forces are responsible for war crimes, Amnesty International said today. The organisation accused Russia of fuelling separatist crimes as it revealed satellite images indicating a build-up of Russian armour and artillery in eastern Ukraine.

Despite a fragile cease-fire, the situation on the ground remains fraught with danger and Amnesty International calls on all parties, including Russia, to stop violations of the laws of war.

[beastcat 14]

[vilas 473]

Ukainian MOD official said Poland will give some hight-tech weapons to Ukraine, Polish MOD deny this statement and says it is misunderstanding what Ukrainian official said

[beastcat 14]

Shaun Walker twitter:

Azov commander to me: "They shelling our posts constantly, we have dead & wounded. We didn't reply, now we will. Consider ceasefire over."

Edited September 7, 2014 by beastcat

[oxmox 73]

Oh and here is something interesting I didn't know about

I did post a bigger article about Chechens who are enjoying asylum and exporting fighters to the Ukraine, maybe you have not seen it and you like to read more about it.

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?173470-Ukraine-General&p=2769846&viewfull=1#post2769846

[vilas 473]

Chechens fight on both sides - one are pro-Kadyrov, others are anti-Kadyrov

[beastcat 14]

I did post a bigger article about Chechens who are enjoying asylum and exporting fighters to the Ukraine, maybe you have not seen it and you like to read more about it.

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?173470-Ukraine-General&p=2769846&viewfull=1#post2769846

I was talking more about the fact that russians have defected to Ukraine, but I have read your post. Chechens fighting is actually nothing new, they have been in Crimea and even now they make up a very big part of the separatists. The "Vostok Batallion" which was a GRU/Spetznaz batallion in Russia and was officially "disbanded" is one of the biggest groups (If not the biggest) fighting on the russian side and it consists almost entirely out of chechens, but there are also many chechens fighting in other batallions, who were mercenaries in Chechnya, Georgia and other conflicts as well.

[oxmox 73]

I was talking more about the fact that russians have defected to Ukraine, but I have read your post. Chechens fighting is actually nothing new, they have been in Crimea and even now they make up a very big part of the separatists. The "Vostok Batallion" which was a GRU/Spetznaz batallion in Russia and was officially "disbanded" is one of the biggest groups (If not the biggest) fighting on the russian side and it consists almost entirely out of chechens, but there are also many chechens fighting in other batallions, who were mercenaries in Chechnya, Georgia and other conflicts as well.

Well hopefully they are not starting a bigger private "Caucasus War" in the Ukraine where Islamists joining aswell....because when you read the article you see why they want to join the fights and revenge is one of the major factors.

[beastcat 14]

Well hopefully they are not starting a bigger private "Caucasus War" in the Ukraine where Islamists joining aswell....because when you read the article you see why they want to join the fights and revenge is one of the major factors.

Well, the chechens fighting on the russian side are mostly mercenaries, the ones fighting on the ukrainian side are mostly volunteers, but there are not enough chechens on the ukrainian side to make a real new "Caucasus War" a reality, especially because only one side fights for an idea. Maybe if ISIS attacks Russia, but that is super unlikely.

[oxmox 73]

Well, the chechens fighting on the russian side are mostly mercenaries, the ones fighting on the ukrainian side are mostly volunteers, but there are not enough chechens on the ukrainian side to make a real new "Caucasus War" a reality. Maybe if ISIS attacks Russia, but that is super unlikely.

Since volunteers get paid aswell I would say they are mercenaries, mercanaries and volunteers are both not a regular army.

[beastcat 14]

Since volunteers get paid aswell

A volunteer is called volunteer because he does something voluntarily, meaning he does not get money. Thats the definitition of a volunteer.