Ukraine General

[vilas 473]

u ask what tank is on video?

side (left looking fron driver perspective, right looking from external viewer) exhaust proove it is T72 family (for sure not T64 or T80 family cause they have exhaust in rear), it is rather not T90 because T90 has more characteristic equipment on turret (generally T90 is T72 with more ERA armor, 2 "eyes" on sides of canon, new electronic, new engine) , i would bet it is T72, but image is not sufficient to say what variant, but it looks like with ERA on turret, but hard to say exactly

Edited August 28, 2014 by vilas

[beastcat 14]

u ask what tank is on video?

side (left looking fron driver perspective, right looking from external viewer) exhaust proove it is T72 family (for sure not T64 or T80 family cause they have exhaust in rear), it is rather not T90 because T90 has more characteristic equipment on turret , i would bet it is T72, but image is not sufficient to say what variant, but it looks like with ERA on turret, but hard to say exactly

The T-72 is russias main tank, as there are 5300 T-72 tanks in active service, opposed to the 550 T-90 tanks. So even in the case of an official invasion Russia would mainly use the T-72 anyway.

Ukraine doesn't use T-72 tanks anymore.

[ProfTournesol 956]

(BBC Live fee)

A senior MP from Russian President Vladimir Putin's United Russia party, Vyacheslav Nikonov, tells the BBC that the Ukrainian government has fabricated troop numbers to explain why it is being defeated by rebels.

"I can tell you for sure, there are no official Russian troops there in Ukraine," he says.

"The problem is that really for Kiev it's very hard to explain why the great Ukrainian army is being defeated now by local coal miners and a few volunteers, who are quite international, yes."

I've never seen coal miners so well equipped...

[beastcat 14]

(BBC Live fee)

I've never seen coal miners so well equipped...

Every coal miner who takes his job seriously has at least one T-72 tank and multiple AK-74Ms with enough ammo to fight for at least a year. Oh yeah and russian uniforms and passports as well of course, but they are not actually russian.

[vilas 473]

of course miners have newest uniforms, issued previous years, not uniforms from 90s

and VSS they also have

[beastcat 14]

of course miners have newest uniforms, issued previous years, not uniforms from 90s

What western jew media doesn't tell, is that this poor guy was just peacefuly mining coal when Ukrainian nazi fashist jews bombed him for no reason.

Separatists are attacking from Crimea as well now.

[Tonci87 163]

So we have a bunch of coal miners who seem to earn enough to buy themselves all kinds of fancy stuff and a few thousand Russian service men who decided to spend their vacation in a combat area, so of course they had to take their Arms, their vehicels and all their buddies with them.

[beastcat 14]

So we have a bunch of coal miners who seem to earn enough to buy themselves all kinds of fancy stuff and a few thousand Russian service men who decided to spend their vacation in a combat area, so of course they had to take their Arms, their vehicels and all their buddies with them.

See, you understand now. It's all a big misundestanding. They only opened fire by mistake, they actually meant to greet the Ukrainians.

[vilas 473]

and we have maybe ex Stasi agent who do all to make others stop from acting and make them helpless

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Russian Army drone shot down by Ukrainian Army on Ukrainian territory,

NATO confirmed presence of > 1000 Russian soldiers on territory of Ukraine

Putin has support of 84% of Russians :O

[oxmox 73]

Ukrainian president: Russian troops have crossed border

Petro Poroshenko cancels planned trip abroad as he in effect accuses Russia of invasion

"Poroshenko stopped short of calling the movements an outright invasion, but convened an urgent meeting of the country's national security council to discuss the Russian moves."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/28/ukraine-accuses-russia-invading-south-east-help-rebels

[mistyronin 1181]

Ukrainian president: Russian troops have crossed border

Petro Poroshenko cancels planned trip abroad as he in effect accuses Russia of invasion

Russian troops have been acting in Ukraine for a while. They even captured soldiers that were just "disoriented", journalist saw Russian armored columns that "were only guarding the border", etc.

The only difference is that Putin seem to lately care less about being discrete, and has started an obvious offensive where it's technically impossible that pro-Russians could reach nor had a logistic chain.

[oxmox 73]

Well, its a daily happening already and we discuss and post a lot here on the forums. However the important point in the article is about the word "invasion", some of the media reported first an invasion did start.

Canada's NATO Delegation Just Epically Trolled Russia With This Map Of Ukraine

With Ukraine’s government airing videos of unwelcome Russian soldiers in its territory, Canada’s delegation to NATO offered Moscow an unsolicited lesson in geography Wednesday.

http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-nato-russia-ukraine-putin-2014-8

Edited August 28, 2014 by oxmox

[cozza 24]

why didnt they colour in Kalingrad?

[mistyronin 1181]

why didnt they colour in Kalingrad?

I guess for Canada it's Prussia.

Well, its a daily happening already and we discuss and post a lot here on the forums. However the important point in the article is about the word "invasion", some of the media reported first an invasion did start.

But the invasion started months ago. In fact the Russian Armed Forces have been occupying Crimea even before the Eastern Ukraine Crisis.

Edited August 28, 2014 by MistyRonin

[oxmox 73]

I guess for Canada it's Prussia.

But the invasion started months ago. In fact the Russian Armed Forces have been occupying Crimea even before the Eastern Ukraine Crisis.

I go by the media and there were reports today that "The Russian Invasion Begins" or "Ukraine accuses Russia of Invasion", the president of the ukraine did use the word invasion aswell. Iam sure that did startle many readers, but in the meanwhile it changed and the accusations got canceled, therefore I did post the article.

why didnt they colour in Kalingrad?

...good eyes.

Edited August 28, 2014 by oxmox

[sudayev 27]

Journalists attacked at the rural cemetary where russian army secretly buried a group of soldiers from Pskov who where killed during assignment in Ukraine

http://tvrain.ru/articles/video_napadenija_na_zhurnalistov_na_kladbische_pod_pskovom-374596/

[beastcat 14]

Pro-Ukraine Rally in Mariupol

Watch live now: http://webcam.guru.ua/city/Mariupol/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwIsXQHIQAEP-UO.png (624 kB)

Satellite images:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwIlvReIQAAJkJJ.png (488 kB)

Poland also said that they are ready to sell weapons to Ukraine.

Edited August 28, 2014 by beastcat

[mistyronin 1181]

Yup, it has been quite a trending topic since the Russians invaded Crimea. The Finnish Army HQ, the former PM and the Minister of Defense ( who is Finnish-Swedish ), think that joining the NATO would be the logical step to take. And an important part of the population is changing their point of view on the subject, and also favor now joining the Alliance.

For example this weekend there will be naval military exercises in my city with a lot of NATO navy ships, including US ones.

( The Guardian ) Finland and Sweden to strengthen ties with Nato

It's funny that in their intent to gain terrain inside Europe, the Russia Federation is making all its European neighbors to join the NATO, and ask NATO bases close to the Russian border ( with the exception of Belarus that is a puppet country managed from the Kremlin, as Ukraine used to be ).

( Yle, Finnish Public Media, in English ) Russian politico: Finland and Sweden no longer NATO-neutral countries

According to the head of the Duma’s foreign affairs committee, Finland’s and Sweden’s participation in the NATO agreement would mean giving up their neutrality.

“Joining the military union would be the natural next step,†Pushkov said in an interview with the paper Izvestia, Itar-Tass reported.

Obviously that is worsened by the recurrent Russian incursions in Finnish Air Space:

( Yle ) Finnish foreign minister: Russian incursion ‘no accident’

n an unusual move on Thursday afternoon, the Finnish Air Force released a photo of a Russian Border Guard plane, which it says was taken in Finnish airspace on Thursday.

Edited August 28, 2014 by MistyRonin

[ProfTournesol 956]

On the other hand, NATO isn't doing much ATM, apart confirming the involvement of Russia.

[mistyronin 1181]

On the other hand, NATO isn't doing much ATM, apart confirming the involvement of Russia.

I guess Obama will draw the next red line, Merkel will pretend that gets annoyed, Cameron will say that it's not the time, and the rest some mixture of that ones.

While the Russian Army under Putin's command will keep getting " disoriented "...

[ProfTournesol 956]

Yup, the spirit of Munich is still strong...

[krycek 349]

Since Putin says there are no russian forces in Ukraine,NATO could also do a few drone strikes and say:"drones?nope not ours,must be someone else using them or locals bought them from a store".

[ProfTournesol 956]

Non existing drones striking non existing soldiers, that's something :)

[aleksadragutin 9]

Since Putin says there are no russian forces in Ukraine,NATO could also do a few drone strikes and say:"drones?nope not ours,must be someone else using them or locals bought them from a store".

Then again that could be the trigger for full on Russian invasion. They, after all, don't have so many red lines.

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Non existing drones striking non existing soldiers, that's something :)

A war of ignorance.

[jakerod 254]

Since Putin says there are no russian forces in Ukraine,NATO could also do a few drone strikes and say:"drones?nope not ours,must be someone else using them or locals bought them from a store".

I'm half in favor of sending some F-16s over and telling them we're going to knock out any insurgent armored columns we find but don't worry Russia, you don't have any troops in Ukraine so you have nothing to worry about.