Ukraine General

[maturin 12]

Oh good. LifeNews is just warporn anyhow.

[ProfTournesol 956]

He's Putin's useful idiot.

[mistyronin 1181]

He's Putin's useful idiot.

And probably well paid.

[Tonci87 163]

There are several reasons why real war reporters (that dude is just a clown, like most of RTs staff) never touch or even fire a gun in a combat zone. You appear to be very unproffessional, the only place you can shoot that thing at is propably a position of the other side, wich makes you a combatant and that may lead to some sniper blowing your head off. (Everybody with a gun is a legitimate target).

[oxmox 73]

Besides the critics of this Journalist work people talking about, what does the picture show us ? Is it even his machine gun or is he only doing pictures from this fox hole.

Do war correspondents must wear "press signs" i.e. helmet or vest or is it just an option - anyone knows this ?

[Tonci87 163]

Besides the critics of this Journalist work people talking about, what does the picture show us ? Is it even his machine gun or is he only doing pictures from this fox hole.

Do war correspondents must wear "press signs" i.e. helmet or vest or is it just an option - anyone knows this ?

I don´t think it is his MG and I don´t think that they have to wear press insignia (but all the pros do it anyway to increase their chance of not getting shot.)

[SpookyGunship 10]

And probably well paid.

Nah. The Russians don't pell very well. Its ideological reasons why people take the side of the communists, while on the other hand there are also some losers who do this just to have some kind of income or find a group where they can belong to.

Remember that in the West it costs nothing to play some kind of rebel cheering for the enemies of the west. People feel better about themself while there is absolutly no danger to them doing this. In russia this would be realy endanger peoples lifes.

Walter Duranty anyone?

God, if there is anything i get more hate filled angry about than illoyal turncoats its when they have british accents.

[Tonci87 163]

But Putin isn´t a communist....quite the opposite.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Nah. The Russians don't pell very well. Its ideological reasons why people take the side of the communists, while on the other hand there are also some losers who do this just to have some kind of income or find a group where they can belong to.

Only Fox News still thinks Russians are commies :rolleyes:

Edited December 7, 2014 by ProfTournesol

[aleksadragutin 9]

Nah. The Russians don't pell very well. Its ideological reasons why people take the side of the communists, while on the other hand there are also some losers who do this just to have some kind of income or find a group where they can belong to.

Remember that in the West it costs nothing to play some kind of rebel cheering for the enemies of the west. People feel better about themself while there is absolutly no danger to them doing this. In russia this would be realy endanger peoples lifes.

Walter Duranty anyone?

God, if there is anything i get more hate filled angry about than illoyal turncoats its when they have british accents.

The western way of living focuses on the individual (yourself), you mean? While the eastern or "communist" is more collective.

[mistyronin 1181]

The western way of living focuses on the individual (yourself), you mean? While the eastern or "communist" is more collective.

I don't really think it's because of their philosophies but everyone's wealth. In fact you can already see the nowadays mid-class teenagers behavior is like the young nobles one during the medieval times.

In fact in Western countries at low level, the "plebe", tends to work in a collective way as people in Eastern Europe. Just that in the Western cultures usually the middle class is wider than in the East, where the lower classes are wider.

If one day Eastern European countries citizens become as wealthy as their Western counterpart then they will behave in the same way. A good example is Germany after the unification.

[aleksadragutin 9]

I don't really think it's because of their philosophies but everyone's wealth. In fact you can already see the nowadays mid-class teenagers behavior is like the young nobles one during the medieval times.

In fact in Western countries at low level, the "plebe", tends to work in a collective way as people in Eastern Europe. Just that in the Western cultures usually the middle class is wider than in the East, where the lower classes are wider.

If one day Eastern European countries citizens become as wealthy as their Western counterpart then they will behave in the same way. A good example is Germany after the unification.

It has also a lot to do with communist mentality. When people from here go to the UK and the US, they describe it as a completely different mindset.

[mistyronin 1181]

It has also a lot to do with communist mentality.

In Eastern Germany they also had a Communist regime, so most of the citizens grow up with a communist mentality too, but after the reunification the ones that are now middle class behave like other westerners. How could that be?

In fact the communist elites behave in the same way that westerners too... again how could that be?

The only thing in common, their wealth.

People tend to act as a collective when they need it, but when not they act more selfishly.

[maturin 12]

The western way of living focuses on the individual (yourself), you mean? While the eastern or "communist" is more collective.

And yet Russians often disdain individuals who put their lives and careers at risk to to improve the lives of the collective. Very little activism, charity or volunteerism. If that's collectivism, it's the sort of collectivism where everyone watches out for himself, in the same uniform way.

I admire the way Russia collectivism makes people ready to connect to one another and put their family and friends above all other concerns. But the collective society communism built has no positive features. It bred only apathy, cynicism and dependence on the powerful.

Edited December 7, 2014 by maturin

[oxmox 73]

Ukraine: Big Energy Crisis

Mass electricity cuts since June due to the absent of Russian Gas & Coal Mines disrupted by seperatists.

No fuel to produce electricity countrywide at high capacity.

EURONEWS:

Ukraine’s electricity crisis deepens as a plan to import South African coal collapses.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rurEVse4oXw

Despite Drop in turnover: Russia further on most important trading partner for the Ukraine (Ria Novosti, december 4th)

Despite the declines for import and export, Russia is with 20% commodity sales still the most important trading partner for the Ukraine. In the second place ranks China with 7%.

Germany follows with 6%, Poland, WhiteRussia and Turkey with 5%, Italy with 4% together with Hungary, India, USA and France each with 2%.

http://de.ria.ru/business/20141204/270145995.html

Ukrainian Ministry Approves Temporary Import of Russian Electricity

Ukrainian government has approved temporary electricity import from the neighbouring countries, including from Russia.

Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko ordered the country's energy ministry to consider buying electricity from Russia in order to save own resources in mid-November.

Ukraine currently experiences problems with power generation due to coal shortages. After a military operation was launched by Kiev forces against independence supporters in eastern Ukraine, Kiev has lost access to many coal mines.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20141207/1015595661.html

Ukraine to Start Extraction of Paid-up Russian Gas Monday: Energy Minister

Ukrainian Energy Minister Volodymyr Demchishin stated that Ukraine will start the extradition of 1 billion cubic meters of Russian gas.

In June, Moscow switched Kiev to a prepayment system of gas deliveries in light of Kiev's gas debt of more than $5 billion at the time. Since then, Ukraine has been receiving gas through reverse flows from several European countries and using its own reserves.

In October, Ukraine and Russia reached an agreement for the Russian gas to be supplied to Ukraine until March 2015.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20141207/1015595494.html

During the time people die in a military conflict, the industry seems to have no problems shaking hands and doing business. There is no way out and Russia is too important for the Ukraine but also for Europe, especially in the energy sector and now due to the energy crisis in the Ukraine.

Edited December 7, 2014 by oxmox

[SpookyGunship 10]

aleksadragutin

The western way of living focuses on the individual (yourself), you mean? While the eastern or "communist" is more collective.

Remindes me a bit of Walter Duranty stalinfriendly writings about asian mentality and that the russians basicly go fine with that kind of rule.

First something about germany: its a socialist country. When the east merged into the West, there wasn't that much difference at all, besides that the west was subsidized by US backing. In the west there was one government run telecomunication company, compulsory education(total facism), government Media, government Post Office and after decades of Social Democratic(Social Democrats are just Socialists) strikt laws on gun ownership and so on and so for. There was no real "change" from a collectivist mentality. More and more it looks like the East just merged into the West to take it over. Planed Economy was very popular in both german states after the war. And today, people just go on with more Welfare, government handouts, redistribution, government run healthcare and on and on and on. There is no real change.

When you wanna talk about mentality, this is a bit more complex than just east and west and communism and stuff. Hell, Russia went through a civil war during the Bolscheviks Power Grab because the Peasants, on one industrial worker there were five peasants, wouldn't let their little farms be collectivised. They had to murder everyone first. And what is communism in the end of the day? A survival strategy, fitting basic needs(and even that goes down the flow when the substance is used up).

And as for russia, they basicly murderd everyone who had an IQ over 80 points during the last century and they live a giant lie. Thats why they dig out stalinistic Laws in the proxy states in eastern ukraine and wave hammer and sickel flags around. They are as poor as shit but they were being told this lie, that russia is this chosen people, protector of the slaws, fighters against facism and blablablabla. Everyone who doesn't go along with that tries to leave russia. After all Putin has still 80% approval rating, and this number isn't fake for a change.

In the end of the day its in every country the same situation. There are people who can live their own life for themself, and there are these people who want government to take care of them. Last i describe as "Bitch Mentality". And when you saw the interviews with the common folk in the eastern ukraine, all of them want something. They want someone to take care of them or they want someone to give them a pack of... self esteem or something.

Ukraine: Big Energy Crisis

Mass electricity cuts since June due to the absent of Russian Gas & Coal Mines disrupted by seperatists.

No fuel to produce electricity countrywide at high capacity.

You know that the last President of Ukraine made deals with Royal Dutch Shell for natural gas exploitation in the Ukraine, basicly making GazProm Pipelines obsolete? Ukraine doesn't need russian gas. Europe doesn't need russian gas. Most likely the russians themself toppled Janukovitch because of that. And remember NATO Chief Rasmusen saying that Anti-Fracking Movements were organized by the russians.

[maturin 12]

compulsory education(total facism), government Post Office, government run healthcare and on and on and on.

lawl

And out come the clowns...

Even the most zombified dupe of Putin's propaganda doesn't live as deep in a fantasy world as you do.

[SpookyGunship 10]

lawl

And out come the clowns...

Even the most zombified dupe of Putin's propaganda doesn't live as deep in a fantasy world as you do.

Your worthless opinion means very little to me. You can't face me on any of the points i brought up but you think you can call me a clown.

[aleksadragutin 9]

When you wanna talk about mentality, this is a bit more complex than just east and west and communism and stuff. Hell, Russia went through a civil war during the Bolscheviks Power Grab because the Peasants, on one industrial worker there were five peasants, wouldn't let their little farms be collectivised. They had to murder everyone first. And what is communism in the end of the day? A survival strategy, fitting basic needs(and even that goes down the flow when the substance is used up).

And as for russia, they basicly murderd everyone who had an IQ over 80 points during the last century and they live a giant lie. Thats why they dig out stalinistic Laws in the proxy states in eastern ukraine and wave hammer and sickel flags around. They are as poor as shit but they were being told this lie, that russia is this chosen people, protector of the slaws, fighters against facism and blablablabla. Everyone who doesn't go along with that tries to leave russia. After all Putin has still 80% approval rating, and this number isn't fake for a change.

That is a bit exaggerated. It's not that different from the west, mainly the US, Which was built on a basically a lie that people are able to become billionaires in a short amount of time. It also promotes freedom while having the largest imprisonment rate in the world. It promotes justice while white officers are able to kill black people in the street and get away with it.

This lie is common, and is not a trait of east or west, but of the modern society.

[mistyronin 1181]

First something about germany: its a socialist country. When the east merged into the West, there wasn't that much difference at all, besides that the west was subsidized by US backing.

Not all Western Europe received US funds, and Germany success is more bound to their own hardwork than in external subsides.

Concerning if Germany is a socialist country, it depends a lot on what's your definition of socialism. It's obvious that has some socialist policies but also some liberal ones; the little socialist ones in fact were first implemented by Otto von Biscmarck precisely to oppose Socialism as a whole, what's called the Social Welfare.

In the west there was one government run telecomunication company, compulsory education(total facism), government Media, government Post Office and after decades of Social Democratic(Social Democrats are just Socialists) strikt laws on gun ownership and so on and so for.

Why would compulsory education, read that all men had a basic education, be total fascism? In fact are precisely authoritarian fascist and communist countries that prefer uneducated people.

Practically all countries in the World have some kind of Government funded media ( even the ultra-liberal USA funds medias like National Public Radio or American Public Media ). Usually democratic countries tend to limit the funds in number of medias while in more authoritarian countries they cover a lot of channels ( for example in Russia, where the Kremlin owns/funds practically all the mainstream media ).

Again, most of democratic countries also have a Government owned/funded Post Office ( for instance the US have the US Postal Service ).

Basically all countries tend to have public companies that cover the most important strategic resources / fields. And that's not socialism. Socialism/Communism in it's finest would mean that the Gov. controls most or all the companies as there's few private property... you know everything is property of everyone. Which makes people lazier as doesn't matter how much effort you will put on something that you won't have much difference in the reward. That makes the country be poorer, and as the population own everything, makes the population itself also poorer ( but the leaders that as they are completely corrupt they tend to steal as much as they can, a good example was the USSR ).

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Which was built on a basically a lie that people are able to become billionaires in a short amount of time.

But people are able to do so. Just look at Mark Zuckerberg and the ones from YouTube, or Steve Jobs ( he did it three times: Apple, Next and Pixar ), etc.

Of course not everyone, but if you are good and lucky enough you can.

It also promotes freedom while having the largest imprisonment rate in the world.

They mean freedom to choose and live your life as you want, which does not have anything to do with the imprisonment rate.

It promotes justice while white officers are able to kill black people in the street and get away with it.

The US judicial system is one of the fastest and most effective in the World, just check the Madoff case.

But yeah in the USA not everything is perfect, and racism is a big deal. After all about 50 years ago whites and blacks were segregated. But now they have their first black president, which means that they are in the correct path to solve the issue, but there's still a bunch of work to do.

Also in the USA the "excessive" freedom, leads to the highest rates of murders due to the poor control of firearms; or the freedom of religion allows some dangerous cults; or the freedom in the education side which allows pseudo studies and schools that still teach that humanity comes from Adam & Eve. Besides the lack of welfare policies that allow people to die in the streets due to the lack of money to pay a proper treatment.

[SpookyGunship 10]

That is a bit exaggerated. It's not that different from the west, mainly the US, Which was built on a basically a lie that people are able to become billionaires in a short amount of time.

What? There was no country before where common folk could achieve wealth. Vanderbilt, Carnegie and so on were common folk, not aristocrates. They had to provide something that people would give them money, they made life better for everyone. In europe the only people rich were Kings and Queens. Still you can become a billionaire, even by just simple things as inventig facebook or writing apps. Very blunt to call that a lie.

It also promotes freedom while having the largest imprisonment rate in the world. It promotes justice while white officers are able to kill black people in the street and get away with it.

Ouh please don't give me that racist cop BS just because you saw something in the media, that every dummy thinks he can use as argument about the US Society. I'am not even gona argue on this one, because its just a giant load of pure shit. Read a book.

This lie is common, and is not a trait of east or west, but of the modern society.

Location Serbia

You are so obviously biased it hurts. You wanna judge countries, say they were founded on lies? You wanna take the highroad on this one?

Not all Western Europe received US funds, and Germany success is more bound to their own hardwork than in external subsides.

Germany was build up by the americans since AEG(general Electonics). Even through they made many creat technological discoveries, they didn't use it. The MP3 is something made in germany, but they didn't use it. Why? Because in a social democratic society, there is no drive. Combine that with what this serbian guy said about "buhu american dream is a lie" garbage. In america these things get success, because in america it pays out for everyone involved.

Also, i love this myth about the hard working germans. The germans are just as dumb and lazy as people everywhere else. But the language makes it much easier for the few smart people to give very detailed and accurate instructions to the working drones.

Concerning if Germany is a socialist country, it depends a lot on what's your definition of socialism.

This isn't about what i define as socialism, this is what socialists define as socialism. Don't play these "which one makes me feel good" games.

Concerning if Germany is a socialist country, it depends a lot on what's your definition of socialism. It's obvious that has some socialist policies but also some liberal ones; the little socialist ones in fact were first implemented by Otto von Biscmarck precisely to oppose Socialism as a whole, what's called the Social Welfare.

First off i don't need some history lessons from you, second off the Bismarck policies have little to do with the system that is now in place. Also, it changes very little about the situation when there is some sort of tradition in this mess.

Why would compulsory education, read that all men had a basic education, be total fascism? In fact are precisely authoritarian fascist and communist countries that prefer uneducated people.

Are you serious? Oh, how good that in Soviet Union and Nazi germany school was strictly banned! Oh wait, it wasn't, it was a compulsory education system. How good that germany, and this cesspool sweden, are the only countries in europe that have such a system still in place.

Practically all countries in the World have some kind of Government funded media ( even the ultra-liberal USA funds medias like National Public Radio or American Public Media ).

You know that the german government media complex 43 Radio and TV stations and a bigger year budget than all Studios in Hollywood combined?

Why do you give me this "most democratic countries" BS as if i wouldn't be aware of what i'am saying? What kind of reference is that? Makes me think you are the one not aware of what you are saying.

You know what the end of this is? A population with no life left in them, scrabeling by and waiting for someone who will do shit for them. Just as these people who wave soviet flags around in Lugansk and Donetsk. "Feed me, feed me, enslave me but give me some free stuff". Pathetic and unworthy for free men.

[Heeeere's johnny! 51]

How many countries / territories did the US annexed during the last 50 years? How many Russia/USSR?

How many wars / conflicts has the US participated unilaterally, alone and without UN approval?

List of wars involving Russia

List of wars involving the United States

And if interested:

Timeline of United States military operations

Read it as you prefer. You will find the wars in Kosovo and Iraq (both without UN approval) in there and remember that both Gulf war II (1991) and Iraq war (2003) were based on a lie.

Regarding "Kremlin funded Russian media", here's an article about what german mass media is like these times:

English: The West on the wrong path

Russian: Ложный путь Запада

So you can't honestly believe that "independent" journalism does not follow a "politically influenced" line.

There is newspapers like the "Junge Welt" which talk about what happens behind the scenes, but they're rare exceptions.

I keep repeating myself: In war, the first victim is truth. Don't believe anything you hear, read or see from either side. Inform yourself in different media, CNN, RT, local media, left, right, whatever. If you don't, don't blame anyone to have a manipulated thinking because my and your local mass media do the same thing.

Does UN approval justify a war? Technically, it does. In my opinion, there is no justification for war. War must not be a way of politics - period!

Edited December 8, 2014 by Heeeere's Johnny!

[wipman 1]

Hi, IMO the Ukraine conflict is the Kzar vs the nazis. My info source about the background of this conflict: http://spitfirelist.com/news/stunning-u-s-votes-against-u-n-resolution-condemning-nazis-and-nazi-collaborators/. Let's C ya

[mistyronin 1181]

What? There was no country before where common folk could achieve wealth.

Simply not true. Check a history book. Along history a lot of people have achieved wealth through work, in fact even during absolutist times a lot of bourgeois first became rich through work and then bought a nobility title.

Germany was build up by the americans since AEG(general Electonics).

That is so basic, that I won't even answer.

But the language makes it much easier for the few smart people to give very detailed and accurate instructions to the working drones.

You obviously have no idea of how German grammar works.

This isn't about what i define as socialism, this is what socialists define as socialism. Don't play these "which one makes me feel good" games.

I don't play with games. But German actual Welfare state is hundreds of miles away from any of what Engels or Marx wrote. Just read what Socialist / Communist parties say about the actual German system...

First off i don't need some history lessons from you, second off the Bismarck policies have little to do with the system that is now in place.

Your second phrase disqualifies the first one.

How good that germany, and this cesspool sweden, are the only countries in europe that have such a system still in place.

What...? In fact compulsory education is the standard in all Europe and most of the World ( From Russia to USA, including Japan, Iraq, France, UK, Spain, etc. ):

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/stats/Education/Duration-of-compulsory-education

Makes me think you are the one not aware of what you are saying.

Edited December 8, 2014 by MistyRonin

[SpookyGunship 10]

Simply not true. Check a history book. Along history a lot of people have achieved wealth through work, in fact even during absolutist times a lot of bourgeois first became rich through work and then bought a nobility title.

Bam! This is exactly what i was waiting for! bourgeois . Then right next to the robber barons. Maybee you should fact check your books again.

You obviously have no idea of how German grammar works.

Ach hab ich nicht? Dann belehre mich doch bitte du Genie.

Well i don't? Then lecture me about that you Genius.

Just read what Socialist / Communist parties say about the actual German system...

They want more of it.

What...? In fact compulsory education is the standard in all Europe and most of the World

Maybee there is some confussion about what i mean.: Children are forced to go to school. This is what i mean with compulsory education. Also its the only way government can be sure that education is compulsory.

Heeeere's Johnny!

There is newspapers like the "Junge Welt" which talk about what happens behind the scenes, but they're rare exceptions.

Junge Welt = GDR newspaper and still a major news organ for the radical left. To say it more direct: they are allies of the Kremlin. So what do they have to say that is so different from the mainstream? In all these papers i just see a general white wash, with one exception so far. Welt writes about the influence circles in russia of Alexander Dugin as well as the russian infiltration of the european right. Make no mistake about that.: Europe is totaly infiltrated by the russias since the cold war.