Ukraine General

[mistyronin 1181]

It's a pretty interesting world the Cossack's one. And I'm afraid it is almost ignored outside Russia ( and Ukraine ). The whole idea of the "wolfpacks", and recognized and "exiled" ones seems . I'll try to find more info about them, it's a shame that my Russian knowledge is almost inexistent, and my wife is not interested in that subjects so she is not willing to translate much.

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Interesting document:

[arttem 1]

It's a pretty interesting world the Cossack's one.

In 1897 more then 2 800 000 people in Russia indentify themselfs as cossack's.

In 2013 more then 500 000 people in Russia indentify themselfs as cossack's.

Remark - cossack's (90% of them) was always against commis, NKVD, KGB. And it was hard work for Putin to prove to cossacks that he is a democrat, not a bloody KGB. :D

But it's a OT. So sry. I'm closing that theme.

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Twit from Evgeny Popov.

I was speaking with Simon. He is alive and feels not bad. He gave to me his mom and sister email. Sent a letter from my phone to them. We was trying to make a call to his mother, but without success.

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U.S. journalist Simon Ostrovsky freed in Slavyansk.

(ITAR-TASS) http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1145599

Noting that "other citizens, including journalists, continue to remain hostage" - Psaki urged Russia to use its influence to ensure the immediate release of all others.

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Journalist Simon Ostrovsky who was suspected of having links with radicals freed in Slavyansk.

(VESTI, where is Popov works) http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=1513710

American journalist Simon Ostrovsky, which in Slavyansk was suspected of having links to "Right sector", was released. He was considered as informant of Ukrainian radikals.

ITAR-TASS reminds - employee of Vice News with Israeli and American citizenship, was detained by Slavyansk militia.

Edited April 28, 2014 by ArtTem

[mistyronin 1181]

To me the situation with the journalist and foreign observers held hostages is ridiculous

I don't know who should make the movement ( Ukraine, Russia, EU, US ), but all of them should press the insurgents to release all of them without any conditions or be stormed by Ukrainian forces.

In fact what would be the best, but unlikely, is if the population themselves disarm that men and free the hostages.

That men that as I said before are just criminals, and every min that passes they go worse, that people do not have much to do with any rights claim.

On the other hand, all the international entities that I said before, should also force Ukrainian Gov. to disarm any other civilian group and respect everyone's culture ( language and so on ).

Edited April 28, 2014 by MistyRonin

[akm74 1]

To me the situation with the journalist and foreign observers held hostages is ridiculous

Misty, you don't have to convince us on this one. We totally agree. (i'm not even sure what "side" this guy playing)

Edited April 28, 2014 by AKM74

[mistyronin 1181]

Misty, you don't have to convince us on this one. We totally agree. (i'm not even sure what "side" this guy playing)

I just express my opinion and comment about the news we link/post which is what this forum is about :)

I don't think Simon is "playing" any sides, he is just reporting as a proper journalist should.

[Tonci87 163]

That was really a very interesting clip.

That mayor seems like a total asshole. Clearly he is a powerhungry prick and I consider him to be dangerous. He knows that he doesn´t have any future in Ukraine, if Government forces take the city then he will be arrested and end up in Jail for high treason. His only hope is to somehow pull Russia into this whole mess.

[arttem 1]

That was really a very interesting clip.

That mayor seems like a total asshole. Clearly he is a powerhungry prick and I consider him to be dangerous. He knows that he doesn´t have any future in Ukraine, if Government forces take the city then he will be arrested and end up in Jail for high treason. His only hope is to somehow pull Russia into this whole mess.

Remark. In bloody mess.

[Tonci87 163]

Remark. In bloody mess.

I fear you are right. I really hope that he doesn´t succeed in that.

[akm74 1]

I just express my opinion and comment about the news we link/post which is what this forum is about :)

I don't think Simon is "playing" any sides, he is just reporting as a proper journalist should.

i was mean guy in charge of separatist in Slovansk.

[mistyronin 1181]

i was mean guy in charge of separatist in Slovansk.

As Tonci said before that guy is just a powerhungry opportunist, he plays in "his own side". Have you seen that even if there had been insurgents in different cities, Sloviansk is always in the top news?

I think that even if Russia intervene, the first thing they would do is to remove that guy and his thugs.

[akm74 1]

As Tonci said before that guy is just a powerhungry opportunist, he plays in "his own side". Have you seen that even if there had been insurgents in different cities, Sloviansk is always in the top news?

I think that even if Russia intervene, the first thing they would do is to remove that guy and his thugs.

imho it not that simple. If some "money bags" from east/west behind him, removing him will not solve any problem. "Ten new" (like him) will step in. Hope i'm wrong.

I think that even if Russia intervene

no way. I don't want them to do anything at all. Ukraine on a verge of collapse (economically and politically). It will require 100+ billions of dollars just to keep them afloat. Will be better if EU/US pay for it :) (it will be punishment enough for what they done)

Edited April 28, 2014 by AKM74

[arttem 1]

I was trying to check some info. And found in little local newspaper. That Belorochensk cossacks at home now. Like i thought. That article is from 28.03.2014. So local journalist who was interviewing cossacks commander (ataman) and commander himself, both didn't know anything about Slavyansk in those times.

According to the interview of Kuban Army Belorechensk cossack's unit commander. They all returned home after Crimea operation.

(Belorechensk news) http://news.belora.info/?p=20662#more-20662

Belorechensk cossacks commander Postnikov Oleg.

http://news.belora.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/krym-853x1024.jpg (317 kB)

We said to our families that we were going to a field training. Went by bus, then ferry crossed in Kerch, and from there to Sevastopol. We stayed in the Crimea from 1 to 17 March and after the referendum immediately left it. Emphasize that went voluntarily and without weapons.

Journalist: - What you were doing there?

Postnikov: - We performed the following tasks:

1. Ensuring public order together with employees of local state police.

2. Law enforcement at the railway and marine stations.

3. Protection of a number of objects in Sevastopol (the fuel depot in Streletskaya Bay and Drobeta).

We was in guard without weapons, just had a cossack's whip, we were supported by policemen, always went to the city with them.

We were on duty day and night, until a referendum took place. In the night of March 17, we went home.

The high level of the Belorechenskaya Cossack was noted by the head of the linear police Department on transport of Sevastopol, which gave us a bell (the ship's bell) with memorable inscription: "To the Cossacks Belorechenskoe hundreds of Kuban Cossack troops from the personal composition of the linear police Department on transport of Sevastopol". Personally, to me they gift Boatsman tune (whistle). And we gave them the flag of the Krasnodar region and the flag of the Kuban Cossack army.

Cossacks from Belorechensk in Sevastopol.

http://news.belora.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/krym-2-1024x768.jpg (259 kB)

So. I still try to understand who is Babay and other guys in Slavyansk. They didn't return home with their unit and commander.

[mistyronin 1181]

There are other ways to "remove" someone.

BTW he is again in the headlines:

( RIA Novosti ) People’s Mayor of Slaviansk Proposes Swap for OSCE Team

Military observers from the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe being held as prisoners of war in eastern Ukraine’s Slaviansk could be freed in exchange for the release of federalization supporters taken hostage by Kiev, the city’s people’s mayor said Monday.

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So. I still try to understand who is Babay and other guys in Slavyansk. They didn't return home with their unit and commander.

In the TIME article that I linked a few posts before, he said that he is being prosecuted by Russian police.

His reasons for coming to Ukraine in March had a bit to do with Russian nationalism, but more to do with adventurism, and even more to do with his apparently being a fugitive from Russian law. Earlier this year, Mozhaev said, just as a revolution was forcing Ukraine’s old regime from power, he was charged in Krasnodar with a violent crime — which he described as “threatening to kill someone with a knife.†When he failed to come up with the bribe money for the corrupt officials who he says fabricated the charges, Mozhaev was put on a national wanted list in Russia and went on the run, according to his account, which could not be verified.

By coincidence, he says, he was forced to flee arrest on March 7, in the middle of Russia’s invasion of Crimea. He chose Crimea as his destination. As TIME reported last month, thousands of state-sponsored Russian Cossacks were then streaming into Crimea to aid the Russian troops with that invasion. For most of March, Mozhaev says, he was there along with some of the men from his Cossack battalion, the Wolves’ Hundred, helping in the siege of a Ukrainian military base near the city of Bakhchysarai and guarding a local TV tower. In late March, after Russia annexed the Crimean Peninsula, “we were sitting around down there and wondering what to do next,†he says. “So we decided to go conquer some more historically Russian lands.†Eventually he wound up in Slavyansk, where Ponomaryov was glad to welcome him into his separatist militia.

Ponomaryov again...

Edited April 28, 2014 by MistyRonin

[arttem 1]

In the TIME article that I linked a few posts before, he said that he is being prosecuted by Russian police.

And in interview to Simon he said that he was jailed. It's very sad. But, it seems that guys is the shame of Russian cossacks. :(

I understand why Kremlin, cossacks commanders keep silence. It's not a simple situation. You can't tell to all country inside that now you need to kill some cossacks and adventurers, because they do what they want, no matter what reason they mean. They don't have any task for things that they are doing now. Theirs unit at home.

Edited April 28, 2014 by ArtTem

[akm74 1]

this is a good article guys. You will like it (use google translate future in chrome)

Polite people changed rough.

[h=1]Difficult to defend the right to self-determination of those who kidnaps and tortures people...[/h]http://www.gazeta.ru/comments/2014/04/28_e_6011609.shtml

news-site usually on the middle (by loyal to Moscow)

Edited April 28, 2014 by AKM74

[mistyronin 1181]

I understand why Kremlin, cossacks commanders keep silence. It's not a simple situation. You can't tell to all country inside that now you need to kill some cossacks and adventurers, because they do what they want, no matter what reason they mean. They don't have any task for things that they are doing now. Theirs unit at home.

Same as with the Islamist people that goes from Europe to fight as Mujahideen in Middle East, or mercenaries, etc. Most are troublemakers or people that are blind extremists.

It's a bit sad but in certain cases they have to be dealt with.

The worst of all is that this thugs are taking all the protagonism, and now most of people talk about them instead of the possible rights for the Russian speaking Ukrainian population.

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Really good article AKM74

Edited April 28, 2014 by MistyRonin

[arttem 1]

The representative of the United Nations: the situation in Ukraine is getting out of control

(RIA Novosti) http://ria.ru/world/20140428/1005827086.html

The official representative of the world organization Stefan Dujarric said that the UN secretary general Pan Ki-Moon is extremely alarmed by the escalating climate of insecurity and fear, whether the escalation of rhetoric, whether the escalation of violence in Ukraine.

The Ukrainian crisis is gaining momentum, to a series of outrageous incidents were added two more - the assassination of Kharkiv city mayor Gennadiy Kernes and blocking of the plane of the candidate in presidents of Ukraine Mykhailo Dobkin, which, unknown armed men were not allowed to Kherson to meet with voters.

Speaking about the detention of members of the military mission under the auspices of the Organization for security and cooperation in Europe (OSCE) in Slavyansk (Donetsk region, Ukraine), Dujarric said that "people do their work and must be protected".

The group was detained on suspicion of espionage. In the last Sunday by the negotiations between the mission leadership and leaders "people's militia" of Slavyansk one of the detainees was released. On preliminary data he is suffering from diabetes, it's a Swedish officer.

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Senchenko: the situation in the East of Ukraine is quite controllable

(RIA Novosti) http://ria.ru/world/20140428/1005833083.html

The situation in the East of Ukraine is under control, says acting Deputy head of the administration of the President of Ukraine Andriy Senchenko.

Commenting on the inaction of law enforcement officers in improving the situation, he noted that the problem lies in the fact that the police in recent years has been prepared on other non-core tasks is to protect the "powers that be from the wrath of citizens". Therefore, today there is a shortage of specialists for the protection of citizens from bandits. "There are honest policemen, and the villains will be removed," said Senchenko.

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Payette: the liberation of Kiev mayor's office is an example for the Eastern Ukraine

(Telegraph Ukraine) http://telegraf.com.ua/ukraina/politika/1255113-payett-osvobozhdenie-kievskoy-merii-primer-dlya-vostochnoy-ukrainyi.html

"American Ambassador noted that the actions of Ukraine on the implementation of the Geneva conventions is really impressive. "We are impressed by the many serious steps made by Ukraine to fulfill the Geneva conventions", - in particular, the diplomat said.

According to Payette, among these steps is the submission to the Parliament the draft laws concerning the Amnesty, the continuation of the national dialogue on amendments to the Constitution and the release of the seized administrative buildings.

The Ambassador stressed that starting from February 22, there has been progress in the situation in Kyiv, including the liberation of the building of the Kyiv city Council. This event, according to the American Ambassador, "has serious symbolic meaning." He noted that the positive is the fact, that activists go from the city hall premises and there was started repair of the building.

"We are glad that after so many years of Kiev will finally get the legal popularly elected government," said Gayet. The Ambassador said that Kyiv has made an example for Eastern Ukraine. "Must be freed of the building, put the weapon. And we hope that Russia uses its influence to achieve these goals," said Gayet.

Edited April 28, 2014 by ArtTem

[mistyronin 1181]

IMO the situation in Ukraine is not under control, it's obvious. Ukraine's Gov. are finding lots of problems to control their own territory.

It's quite probable, that the situation is in part inherited from the former Gov. and the lack of resources. But their responsibility is to solve it, and if they are unable, their obligation is to ask for help, for example to the UN, or to another country organization.

[arttem 1]

Such Russia, many gurlz, ... if you stop posting photos of girls near Russian flag I may start thinking that Russians are evil baby eaters so plz keep me updated with fresh propaganda.

Oh, Batto sry i forget about you. So many posts and info.

Fresh update:

[mistyronin 1181]

Weird...

( The Guardian Live )

A Russian ambassador has called the decision to send OSCE monitors to eastern Ukraine, where eight were detained last week (one was later released), "extremely irresponsible." The presence of the monitors was prescribed by a 17 April agreement in Geneva signed on all sides, including by Russia.

[Tonci87 163]

Oh, Batto sry i forget about you. So many posts and info.

Fresh update:

I aprove

[akm74 1]

Weird...

( The Guardian Live )

Thats because you miss second part...

But he also condemned the OSCE, of which Russia is a member, for being "extremely irresponsible" in sending them to eastern Ukraine. Moscow has condemned the Kiev authorities for failing to provide security in the industrial and heavily populated east, close to the Russian border.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/28/us-ukraine-crisis-idUSBREA3O16720140428

[mistyronin 1181]

( The Guardian ) Ukrainian journalists face threats as separatists make demands of media

Roman Lazorenko was sitting in his office writing an article on the shadowy rebellion that is engulfing eastern Ukraine when, as if on cue, eight men wearing balaclavas and military fatigues burst in. Two of them carried baseball bats.

The youths – from the separatist "Donetsk People's Republic" – said they wanted a chat. They told Lazorenko they didn't like the editorial line of his website, 62.ua, and they had a series of demands.

They said the word "separatism" was now forbidden. Journalists had to describe armed gunmen who had taken over a string of government buildings in the east of the country as "supporters of federalisation". Anything written about this "young state" had to be cleared in advance. The news website had to publish details of a bank account for donations to the cause.

"We recommend you agree to our demands," said the group's leader, who identified himself as Dmitry Silakov.

Ukrainian journalists are used to working under tough conditions. Following Viktor Yanukovych's election victory in 2010, the president squeezed independent media and snuffed out dissenting voices from public television.

Despite this clampdown, however, Ukrainian reporters enjoyed more freedom than did their colleagues in next-door Russia, where TV and most newspapers are under the Kremlin's thumb. But in the last two months, media freedom in Ukraine has rapidly nosedived.

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( The Guardian )

Russian defense minister Sergei Shoigu has spoken on the phone with US defense secretary Chuck Hagel, telling his American counterpart that the "growth of military activity by the US and Nato in eastern Europe along Russian borders was unprecedented," according to RIA Novosti, quoting a ministry statement. The report continues:

[shoigu] stressed that these actions accompany the provocative statements of the Nato general secretary about the necessity of "containing" Russia".

Hagel, meanwhile, "explained the actions of Washington and Brussels as being for 'extreme concern' for the situation arising around Ukraine, and of concern from the eastern members of Nato for their own safety," the Russian ministry statement says:

Nonetheless, in his words, the alliance's actions are not "provocative or expansionist". They are meant to demonstrate the bloc's unity and increase the union's defensive abilities. In his view there is nothing new in this with regard to Russia."

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Thats because you miss second part...

I didn't miss it. In fact the Russian ministry said:

The Kiev government deployed about 11,000 troops, 160 tanks, over 230 armored vehicles at least 150 artillery systems and an unknown number of combat aircraft in the area.

The ministry said that the fact that Kiev was deploying such massive military force in the rebel region demonstrated “the possibility of an indiscriminate and disproportionate use of force, including the destruction of whole cities†and the OSCE discussions should focus on the Kiev government’s actions instead.

So they complain because the Ukrainian Gov. gives enough security or too few? Besides that the Russian ministry seems to forget the point that all this Ukrainian Force is not to fight the insurgency but to defend the country if Russia attacks with the Army that has in the borders.

From RIA Novosti: Russia Ready to Discuss Ukraine Within Framework of Security Cooperation Forum

[arttem 1]

62.ua

188.40.138.136 :)

[mistyronin 1181]

188.40.138.136 :)

You can't see the website?

62.ua - Ñайт города Донецка