Ukraine General

[arttem 1]

It seems that after all, Putin was right. Evil powers are growing inside Ukraine, Darth Vader himself has made an step forward the presidential race, wanting to turn the Republic into an Empire and invade all the world commanding his stormtroopers.

( The Guardian ) Ukraine's Darth Vader bids to lead nation to the dark side

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/3/31/1396264613330/The-Ukrainian-Internet-pa-011.jpg

Old Ukrainian troll. You can find many video with him. :)

[scrim 1]

You really believe this? I´ll tell you something. If this thing gets legalized, then Croatia has the right, no, according to the Russians even the duty to march it´s military into the Herzegovina and take it back into Croatia. I guess this wouldn´t be very nice for your allies the Serbians.

You don´t realize that many of Russias allies can be affected by something like this. Maybe even Russia itself. I don´t know how many Chinese live in the border regions in Russia, but maybe it is enough for China to "protect" them

Well, it certainly means Chechnya ought to become an independent state any day now. Russia supported Crimean independence because of a 50% Russian population. Chechnya has a 95% Chechnyan population, and less than a 2% Russian population, so I'd say it's pretty obvious what should happen according to the latest Russian philosophy.

[Tonci87 163]

Well, it certainly means Chechnya ought to become an independent state any day now. Russia supported Crimean independence because of a 50% Russian population. Chechnya has a 95% Chechnyan population, and less than a 2% Russian population, so I'd say it's pretty obvious what should happen according to the latest Russian philosophy.

Freedom for all nations of the world. Hooray for Russia!

[Rydygier 1302]

so I'd say it's pretty obvious what should happen according to the latest Russian philosophy.

Nah. It is one-way philosophy.

http://www.polskieradio.pl/42/273/Artykul/1089194,Wojna-gazowa-miedzy-Rosja-a-Ukraina-Gazprom-podnosi-ostro-ceny

Russia forgiveth not Ukraine - dramatically raises the price of gas. As reported by Gazprom, the price of the key raw material will increase from 268.5 to $ 385.5.

Gazprom raises gas prices for Ukraine. Price of thousand cubic meters of natural gas will increase in the second quarter of 268 and a half dollar to 385 dollars and a half.

This increase announced by the head of Gazprom Alexei Miller, who justified it Ukraine does not pay for the gas supplied.

Gazprom: Ukraine's gas debts have grown to $ 1.7 billion

Ukrainian debt in this respect is, according to Miller, be more than one billion 700 million U.S. dollars.

Gazprom CEO added that Ukraine rose by 10 per cent fee for the transit of Russian gas.

Drunken Right Sector member was shooting in Kiev

One of the activists of the nationalist party Right Sector opened fire in the center of Kiev. As a result, three people are injured, including one seriously.

To the shooting occurred last night in the center of Kiev. Among the wounded is the deputy mayor of Kiev Bohdan Dubas and member of Maidan's self defense.

According to Maidan centurion Anatoli Vedmedi, conflict arose between a member of the Right Sector and member of Maidan self defense. During a quarrel one pulled out a gun, the other - used gas. Then a member of the Right Sector opened fire.

[arttem 1]

At the morning "Right Sector" guys left the building of the hotel. And go to field camp.

But it's not interesting for me.

The thing that realy interesting me, is here:

Nice weapon cases. Definitely not for BB gun.

[blu3sman 11]

Those people are not right sector, theyre just local group of hunters. They obviously went on a camping trip.

Did you forget that you can legally buy a gun in a shop? :)

[mistyronin 1181]

Nice weapon cases. Definitely not for BB gun.

Probably hunting rifles, but even if they were RPGs and AK74s, its just an internal Ukraine security matter.

I don't believe that the mighty Russian Armed Forces are afraid of a bunch of right wing freaks. And don't compare them with nazis, first because their support is not the same, the economy of Ukraine and of Germany are slightly different. And obviously Ukraine has never planed to invade Russia ( unlike Russia that invaded part of Ukraine ).

Your eastern neighbor, the US, has even paramilitary associations with people with machine-guns and assault rifles... And haven't tried to invade you...

Edited April 1, 2014 by MistyRonin

[arttem 1]

Cadets of the Black sea higher military naval school in Sevastopol, the Crimea, raised the "Andreevsky" navy fleet flag of Russia.

[Dwarden 1124]

remember how SA was used and how SA ended ... even extreme elements are worthwhile in the puzzle ... they create chaos and in the end you blame them for everything and outlaw and get rid of them aswel ...

[Rydygier 1302]

http://www.rp.pl/artykul/11,1098403-Parlament-Ukrainy--Rozbroic-nielegalne-ugrupowania--jest-zgoda-na-manewry.html

The Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine adopted a resolution on the immediate disarmament of the illegal groups operating in Ukraine, which, inter alia, contributed to the overthrow of President Viktor Yanukovych. It was also decided to admit on the territory of Ukraine armed forces of other countries. Later this year, they have perform international maneuvers.

The Supreme Council - Parliament of Ukraine - adopted a law accepting the decision of the President Oleksandr Turczynov for admission to the territory of Ukraine of the armed forces of other countries in order to conduct this year international maneuvers.

The Act applies to exercises with the participation of soldiers from the Polish and U.S..

- The main theme of the maneuvers is to prepare for participation in international operations in favor of maintaining peace and security, humanitarian operations and searching on land and water , and the protection of our country - said Defense Minister Mykhailo Smith .

He added, in exercises provided is participation 2.5 thousand soldiers from the Ukrainian side and the same number of troops from the country partners.

Former Defense Minister Oleksandr Kuzmuk announced that the maneuvers will take place from May to November in the south of Ukraine in the circuit Mykolaiv , in the Black Sea and on the west of the country : on the ranges Jaworowski ( Lviv region ) and Uzhhorod ( Transcarpathian circuit ) .

http://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/swiat/artykuly/455009,nato-zbuduje-bazy-wojskowe-w-polsce-spotkanie-szefow-msz-panstw-nato.html

Officially, the meeting of the ministers of NATO countries is concern in joint exercises with Ukraine and limit contacts with Russia. Unofficially, diplomats say also about the need to build permanent military Pact bases in Poland and the Baltic countries.

[arttem 1]

...the US.... and haven't tried to invade you...

They don't have free time for that.

They are solving their own problems.

"CIA misled on interrogation program, Senate report says"

A report by the Senate Intelligence Committee concludes that the CIA misled the government and the public about aspects of its brutal interrogation program for years — concealing details about the severity of its methods, overstating the significance of plots and prisoners, and taking credit for critical pieces of intelligence that detainees had in fact surrendered before they were subjected to harsh techniques.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/cia-misled-on-interrogation-program-senate-report-says/2014/03/31/eb75a82a-b8dd-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html

Edited April 1, 2014 by ArtTem

[Rydygier 1302]

Opinion of prof. Markowski about Ukraine

I once read a wise appeal of the Ukrainian intellectual, who said most of you have no idea what he is talking about, just shut up. And there was a moment that we all become experts from Ukraine. The second thing is that as people are dying, you have to weigh the words - explained sociologist of Social Psychology and Sciences,

- I am critical of both sides of the conflict. After 20 years of experience with a completely unsuccessful attempts to democratize the country, both political elites and citizens should first of all to answer the question why none of the six presidents totally not proven, the basic rules of the game, the rule of law, just did not work - emphasized Markowski .

- I do not foresee in the near future that could emerge in Ukraine constant, stable, liberal democracy. There is no basis for this. Liberal democracy can happen, but as an accident, as a miracle. - Believes sociologist.

- Lack of Enlightenment tradition, no culture of the contract, feeling that a community, not the individual, is the basis of order - Markowski explained the cause of the collapse and the reasons for which building a fair democracy will be very difficult.

- We are used to that indiscriminately condemn the authority that the government must be accountable. That's true, but in order to account for the authority, you must have a responsible citizen. Even in Poland is not so well with this - Markowski explained.

[arttem 1]

German foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier not see prospects of Ukraine's accession to NATO.

«I can imagine the form of more intensive cooperation with Ukraine in the framework of the Council, the NATO - Ukraine. But do not see the possibility of NATO membership», - said Steinmeier, noting that this was his personal opinion.

(Ukraine press) http://comments.ua/world/460609-glava-mid-frg-otkazal-ukraine.html

"I don't see [however] any path leading towards NATO membership," Mr. Steinmeier said during a news conference, adding that this is his personal opinion and not an official German government line.

(Wall Street Journal) http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20140401-702294.html

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Opinion of David Speedie director of the Council's program on U.S. Global Engagement.

8 Questions on Ukraine

Why did the U.S. and the West cry "unconstitutional foul" on the vote in the Crimean parliament to reunite with Russia, while endorsing and abetting the overthrow of an elected president in Kiev.

Why do similar double standards prevail in our approach to self-determination? Kosovo was historically linked to Serbia, yet we invoked the secessionist right of the Albanian majority. Crimea is historically Russian -- a 200-year history dating back to Catherine the Great...

Why does the West not understand that threats do not work with Putin's Russia?

Why have the U.S. and the West rejected outright the tripartite EU-Russia-Ukraine solution tentatively advanced by Russia that would avoid the zero-sum choice forcing Ukraine into an us-versus- them cul-de-sac? This is basically what was proposed by former defense and foreign ministers of Russia, Poland and Britain three months ago.

(Huffington Post) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-speedie/8-questions-on-ukraine_b_5052042.html?utm_hp_ref=ukraine

Edited April 1, 2014 by ArtTem

[mistyronin 1181]

( BBC ) Ukraine crisis: No sign of Russian troop pullout - Nato

( Politico ) Putin's Imaginary Nazis

( RT ) NATO suspends civilian and military cooperation with Russia

Edited April 1, 2014 by MistyRonin

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

Keep believing the propaganda guys! isted off opening your eye's and minds.

[arttem 1]

Keep believing the propaganda guys! isted off opening your eye's and minds.

The world order has come? O_o

[Rydygier 1302]

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/szef-msz-ukrainy-zaskarzymy-rosje-do-trybunalow-miedzynarodowych/44x17

Ukraine intends to sue Russia for international tribunals in connection with the annexation of the Crimea - announced in Brussels, the head of the Ukrainian Andriy Deszczyca diplomacy. He added that his country hopes to regain the Crimea

- We consider Crimea as an integral part of Ukraine and we plan to bring before the international tribunals lawsuits against Russia and Russian actions in Crimea - Deszczyca said after a meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission in Brussels.

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/przerazajace-statystyki-dot-rosji-putin-chcialby-zeby-nikt-o-nich-nie-slyszal/rxlz4

Russians prefer to live in an alternate reality - says the magazine "Vanity Fair" and cites horrifying statistics about contemporary Russia, which is a country of old men. The author Maureen Orth suggests that the annexation of the Crimea by Vladimir Putin could be part of a desperate attempt to save the health of the state.

According to the article, after several days of annexation of the Crimea, Russians are once again very proud of their country. A solid majority - 63 percent. society - claims that Russia has shown a "great power". The study also showed that Putin now enjoys 80 percent support.

25 percent of Russian men die before the age of 55. Many of alcoholism and violent deaths. Published as a book " Political vodka ," in which the author explains that vodka is used by the dictators, czars as a means of social control. Cheap vodka and cigarettes were among the first products available on the free market communism . 77 percent of children aged 15-17 regularly drink vodka , but in rural areas this percentage may be as high as 90 percent.

In turn, Russia has more heroin addicts than any other country . It covers also top positions in the rankings severe diseases .

When it comes to the environment, it turned out that 50 percent of the water in Russia is not suitable for drinking. Air pollution is still a major problem , suggesting that the solutions proposed in the late USSR still dominate . Then the Russian health minister said that the country is breathing less to live longer.

It is a kind of desperation , from which Putin is trying to offload his people.

Perhaps not very convincing conclusion, but anyway its terrible picture. Understandable, so Russians want to forget, be blinded, hypnotized by shining "great power" (sounds pathetic somehow...) to feel better. Russia really should direct its efforts and resources to inside, not outside, for the sake of own population to care about it, not wave in front of his eyes a distaraction of imperial ambitions. One of the biggest countries on the world and still claim, its vital for it to take from far smaller Ukraine a bite of land. Sad.

[Amra 10]

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/szef-msz-ukrainy-zaskarzymy-rosje-do-trybunalow-miedzynarodowych/44x17

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/przerazajace-statystyki-dot-rosji-putin-chcialby-zeby-nikt-o-nich-nie-slyszal/rxlz4

Perhaps not very convincing conclusion, but anyway its terrible picture. Understandable, so Russians want to forget, be blinded, hypnotized by shining "great power" (sounds pathetic somehow...) to feel better. Russia really should direct its efforts and resources to inside, not outside, for the sake of own population to care about it, not wave in front of his eyes a distaraction of imperial ambitions. One of the biggest countries on the world and still claim, its vital for it to take from far smaller Ukraine a bite of land. Sad.

Yeah, the nation of alcoholics, drug-addicted and whatelse won last Olympic Games with crushing score.

[arttem 1]

Yeah, the nation of alcoholics, drug-addicted and whatelse won last Olympic Games with crushing score.

And don't forget, they was wearing gas-masks and drinking vodka only, because water is absolutely polluted.

[Rydygier 1302]

Why not? Poland also is winning from time to time something, but this doesn't mean, so alcoholism isn't "national problem" of Poles. Seems, that the more for Russians, and not only alcoholism, but wasn't said, so all have such problem or all is bad. Was said, so there are deep and wide problems. Isn't that true? I think, Russia has enough millions of people to gather great team of sportsmen regardless.

[arttem 1]

Why not? Poland also is winning from time to time something, but this doesn't mean, so alcoholism isn't "national problem" of Poles. Seems, that the more for Russians, and not only alcoholism, but wasn't said, so all have such problem or all is bad. Was said, so there are deep and wide problems. Isn't that true? I think, Russia has enough millions of people to gather great team of sportsmen regardless.

Did you ever been in Russia? :)

I wanna to see how you will be trying to buy alcohol after 10 p.m. or without documents proving your age. ;)

If smdy seen that you give an alcohol to children, they can call a police.

Yes, we have that problem, but not in the quantities they are talking about. I can search for same problem in another countries and i'll find result. So - "...don't read Soviet newspapers..." © Bulgakov

P.S. Ofcourse you can find illegal alcohol, but.... it smells and looks, mmmm, only full idiot will be drink it.

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Tymoshenko promises to the voters of the new civilization, a new army and Crimea.

According to the leader of Yulia Tymoshenko, Ukraine is the spiritual centre of Europe, but here shortly will bring together leading intellectuals of the world to create a new model for global public device. Ukraine will become a platform for the creation of the updated image of humanity, fairer and freer than ever in history. In the near future, all the European Nations who are dissatisfied with something in their own country, will take over the Ukrainian experience of creating effective public-political systems. Here, in Ukraine, will start a New Civilization, which lead all the Nations of the world. Immediately after the presidential elections, will begin the rebirth of national pedagogy which is destined for ten years to create the New Man

(Official Ukrainian press source) http://rian.com.ua/analytics/20140330/342411736.html

FPDR

Edited April 2, 2014 by ArtTem

[Rydygier 1302]

Did you ever been in Russia?

Nope. I know statistics and now I know also your opinion in this matter. That's all my knowledge about that. :)

[arttem 1]

Nope.

You are welcome. Travel to evil empire. With bloody KGB on each corner. Unforgettable.

And ofcourse our NKVD troops sing songs on radio only about Lenin, Stalin and Putin.

So travel. It's more useful than read tons of news about another universe.

P.S. Sry for offtop.

Edited April 2, 2014 by ArtTem

[vilas 473]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine

[arttem 1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine

The only and the one nuclear weapon wich they have now, it's an nuclear plants.

They destroyed/sold all weapons wich Russia give them.