Ukraine General

[arttem 1]

That is quite suprising that they want to return the weapons. As far as I can tell this is a very good move by the Russians and should help to stabilize the situation.

Tonci87 it's not important that Russia returning arms. :) The Gazprom is the client of "Russia" bank. ;)

[ProfTournesol 956]

We have really nothing to do with all that worn-out vehicles, there are plenty of the same ones at our own storage bases. Personally me think we should store them or sell somewhere far abroad just to prevent them of being used by National guard or some other far right groups in Ukraine.

Can i have one ? ;)

[arttem 1]

Can i have one ? ;)

You need too search on ebay. 3 weeks ago they was selling Tu-95 startegic bomber there. With a very low price. And you can find many BRDM-2 for sale in Ukraine now.

http://auto.ria.com/car/brdm/2/

http://avtomag.autocentre.ua/brdm-2-1985-kiev-233362338/

http://avtomag.autocentre.ua/brdm-2-1987-vinnica-235495684/

[ProfTournesol 956]

You need too search on ebay. 3 weeks ago they was selling Tu-95 startegic bomber there. With a very low price. And you can find many BRDM-2 for sale in Ukraine now.

http://auto.ria.com/car/brdm/2/

http://avtomag.autocentre.ua/brdm-2-1985-kiev-233362338/

http://avtomag.autocentre.ua/brdm-2-1987-vinnica-235495684/

Not sure my wife would appreciate that i park a Tu-95 in my garden.

[arttem 1]

Remark from me. Just opinion. What i see from here. I mean from Russia. Yesterday England maded an agreement with China to work with yuan. Today Germany and China maded an agreement to work with yuan. Russia is working with yuan. And today the "Russia" bank start working only with rubles. The Gazprom is the client of "Russia" bank. And Obama now in Saudi Arabia.

It seems that smdy wanna to change smthg globaly. *just my reflections

I don't pretend on anything. We still don't know whats going on. Massmedia in stby mode. I mean they telling many things, but it's a bla bla bla bla bla....

[spooky lynx 73]

Can i have one ? ;)

Sure, look in my posts earlier:) Prices start from 19K Euros.

[scrim 1]

Other thing is that Ukraine armed regime hostile to us. And those weapons used against officially recognized and approved peacekeepers.

You are aware of the fact that pretty much every country in the world has at one point or another supplied every other country in the world with large amounts of weapons, right? Half the Western world is selling arms to you right now, so should Georgia and Ukraine invade and annex the West for that? Not to mention that if "supplied a country hostile to us with weapons" is the criteria for invading and annexing a country, Russia would be on the top of the list for every nation on this planet.

Oh, the peacekeepers in Georgia. As in, the soldiers you sent into Georgian territory, who's presence you did not acknowledged, and who you all of a sudden called peacekeepers when the Georgians got fed up with the Russian army carrying out the worst kept secret occupation ever of ~1/5 of their country? I see a trend here regarding Russian "peacekeepers"... :rolleyes:

[arttem 1]

Half the Western world is selling arms to you right now

O_o Very interesting. What kind of arms? 2 Mistrals? We rescued from bankruptcy a shipyard. And thats all. That Mistrals are not interesting to Russian navy in default mode. They will be heavy moded after all. Maybe you mean some portions of target systems from France? Anyway it is important for strengthening of the relations with France.

What arms? Little portions of German weapons for specops? But it is piece orders. We have now a license to produce for example Glock here. And we are producing.

What imported things you see in our Army? I am surprised. The military doctrine of Russia doesn't assume mass use of imported components.

Edited March 28, 2014 by ArtTem

[Yairweinberg 1]

So what do you think? Will putin invade east ukraine or is he just trying to scare the west by massing troops on the border?

[spooky lynx 73]

You are aware of the fact that pretty much every country in the world has at one point or another supplied every other country in the world with large amounts of weapons, right?

Exactly. Just like Israel and USA are concerned about every Russia-Syria or Russia-Iran weapon deal. The first even does not give a excrements about violation of foreign airspace and bombs every suspected military base or convoy in nearby country. Indeed we should take the methods of free world long ago instead of looking at relaxing UNSO members returned from vacations in Chechnya from our side of the border.

[arttem 1]

Comment of the Department of information and press of the Russian foreign Ministry regarding the statements of the US President on Kosovo

691-28-03-2014

In Moscow drew attention to the fact that US President Barack Obama, justifying in his speech in Brussels on March 26, proclaimed in circumvention of UN security Council resolution 1244 «independence» of Kosovo and Metohija (Serbia), has mentioned about some kind of «referendum» on this issue, allegedly held there in coordination with the UN and neighboring countries.

This statement of the President of the USA is surprising since no plebiscite, the more consistent with the international community on the issue of Kosovo's independence was not conducted. The decision to secede from Serbia adopted the so-called «Parliament» in Pristina in 2008.

However agree that fateful decisions are made not in secret, and after the referendum, as it was in the Crimea.

28 March 2014

http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/newsline/D554E3DBB3A01D4844257CA90047F553

[mistyronin 1181]

In Moscow drew attention to the fact that US President Barack Obama, justifying in his speech in Brussels on March 26, proclaimed in circumvention of UN security Council resolution 1244 «independence» of Kosovo and Metohija (Serbia), has mentioned about some kind of «referendum» on this issue, allegedly held there in coordination with the UN and neighboring countries.

This statement of the President of the USA is surprising since no plebiscite, the more consistent with the international community on the issue of Kosovo's independence was not conducted. The decision to secede from Serbia adopted the so-called «Parliament» in Pristina in 2008.

However agree that fateful decisions are made not in secret, and after the referendum, as it was in the Crimea.

I guess that the fact that Serbia had committed different war crimes during the Balkan's war, even with cases of genocide like Srebrenica, and that they were also conducting similar activities in Kosovo... may had have something to do about the fact that the international community backed the Kosovo's independence.

Besides wasn't Russia against that kind of activities?

[arttem 1]

The list who supported the referendum, updated.

- The Serbian Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina;

- Kazakhstan;

- Venezuela;

- Armenia;

- The Korean People's Democratic Republic;

- Syria;

- Kyrgyzstan;

- Belarus;

- African Union;

- Abkhazia;

- South Ossetia;

- The Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic;

- Mongolia;

- Vietnam;

- Republic Of Nagorno Karabakh;

- Afghanistan;

- Nicaragua;

+ Cuba;

+ Bolivia.

[mistyronin 1181]

( BBC ) Putin calls Obama over Ukraine issue

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The list who supported the referendum, updated.

Kazakhstan, Mongolia, and Afghanistan didn't ( yesterday they voted to abstain in the UN )

Serbia, Kyrgyzstan didn't vote.

South Ossetia, Pridnestrovian Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic and Nagorno-Karabakh Republic are not even recognized as countries besides Russia.

The rest are mostly dictatorships that you wouldn't like your kids to live there.

Edited March 28, 2014 by MistyRonin
orthography

[arttem 1]

( BBC ) Putin calls Obama over Ukraine issue

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Kazakhstan, Mongolia, and Afghanistan didn't ( yesterday they voted to abstain in the UN )

Serbia, Kyrgyzstan didn't vote.

South Ossetia, Pridnestrovian Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic and Nagorno-Karabakh Republic are not even recognized as a countries besides Russia.

The rest are mostly dictatorships that no one would like to invite at home.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BjvwRoHCEAA-Fe2.jpg:large

Supported, not voted.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Референдум_о_ÑтатуÑе_Крыма_(2014)#cite_note-108

It was the info for Russian camrades who a reading the thread.

Edited March 28, 2014 by ArtTem

[Tonci87 163]

The list who supported the referendum, updated.

- The Serbian Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina;

- Kazakhstan;

- Venezuela;

- Armenia;

- The Korean People's Democratic Republic;

- Syria;

- Kyrgyzstan;

- Belarus;

- African Union;

- Abkhazia;

- South Ossetia;

- The Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic;

- Mongolia;

- Vietnam;

- Republic Of Nagorno Karabakh;

- Afghanistan;

- Nicaragua;

+ Cuba;

+ Bolivia.

The Serbian Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina isn´t even a real country. It just a part of Bosnia (that is where the Bosniaks live) and Herzegovina (mainly Croats live there) where the majority of the population is Serbian

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republika_Srpska

And here is a new Vice Video

[arttem 1]

And here is a new Vice Video

Semen found a sensation! While was running from corner to corner of Crimea. :)

I was posting info about them.

501th fast reaction forces marines battalion. 270 people

200 serving now in Rus army

40 go to Ukraine

30 that group was under question - Crimea or Ukraine, now fixed, they gone to Ukraine

[mistyronin 1181]

( Vice News ) Predictions Are Stupid … But Russia Is About to Invade Ukraine

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( Reuters ) Exclusive: Russia threatened countries ahead of UN vote on Ukraine - envoys

Russia threatened several Eastern European and Central Asian states with retaliation if they voted in favor of a United Nations General Assembly resolution this week declaring invalid Crimea's referendum on seceding from Ukraine, U.N. diplomats said.

The disclosures about Russian threats came after Moscow accused Western countries of using "shameless pressure, up to the point of political blackmail and economic threats," in an attempt to coerce the United Nations' 193 member states to join it in supporting the non-binding resolution on the Ukraine crisis.

According to interviews with U.N. diplomats, most of whom preferred to speak on condition of anonymity for fear of angering Moscow, the targets of Russian threats included Moldova, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan as well as a number of African countries.

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( Russia Today ) Russia has no intention to send troops into Ukraine – Lavrov

( Al Jazeera ) Russia rules out intention to invade Ukraine

That remembers me when Putin said that he will not annex Crimea ( Ukraine crisis: President Putin won’t rule out force – but will not annex Crimea to Russia )

In between, however, Mr Putin sent some very different signals. Most notably, he said that Russia had no intention of “annexing†Crimea.

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A bit off-topic, but if approved, games like Iron-Front would be banned, and even maybe the OFP/Arma series, as in some you can play against Russians...

( Russia Today ) Duma to consider ban on ‘pro-Nazi’ computer games

Edited March 29, 2014 by MistyRonin

[arttem 1]

( Russia Today )

Please read carefully RT. They are not Russian channel. They are from US. And i saw many times how they play with info (just a little bit - but it's a big difference, you know, some times it's enough to change only one word). It's understandable. They must do that, cause they are from US. Try to check all info from them.

[mistyronin 1181]

Please read carefully RT. They are not Russian channel. They are from US. And i saw many times how they play with info (just a little bit - but it's a big difference, you know, some times it's enough to change only one word). It's understandable. They must do that, cause they are from US. Try to check all info from them.

RT is a Russian Channel, with HQ in Moscow that is owned by RIA Novosti ( aka Russian Gov. )

In May 1998, the agency was renamed the Russian Information Agency Vesti. As a mass media body, it retained the name of RIA Novosti. In 2005, RIA Novosti launched RT (originally Russia Today) a global multilingual television news network, which is a government-funded but autonomous, non-profit. RIA Novosti asserts that it "merely participated in establishing the channel" which retained "complete legal, editorial and operational independence."

Last news about the Russian "public" News:

( Al Jazeera ) Putin dissolves RIA Novosti News Agency

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday signed a decree dissolving state-run news agency RIA Novosti and state-owned Voice of Russia radio, and appointed ultraconservative television anchor Dmitry Kiselyov to head a newly-formed media conglomerate.

The decree, effective immediately, transfers all RIA Novosti property to a new conglomerate called "Rossiya Segodonya," which means "Russia Today." Russia Segodonya will provide "coverage of Russian state policy and public life in the federation," the decree said.

The name of the new conglomerate has caused confusion as there is no indication the new Russia Today will be affiliated with RT, the Kremlin-funded English-language television network formerly know by same name. RT head Margarita Simonyan told Russian news site Lenta.ru on Monday that she was not informed of the changes before the Kremlin issued its decree.

In fact RIA Novosti ( now Russia Today ) and RT are so close that are managed by the same person :rolleyes:

( BBC ) RT editor Simonyan to head Kremlin-backed news agency

Simonyan, 33, will merge her RT post with the role of editor-in-chief at Russia Today, which will replace state-owned news agency RIA Novosti.

Edited March 29, 2014 by MistyRonin

[spooky lynx 73]

I'm just astonished about how many people dream to be occupied by Russia. Almost everything they talk about is "ZOMG evil Russkies will rush tomorrow!!!1". Sure occupation is just a prize for junta - no need to pay huge debts, no need to do anything for economy rescue. No need to rebuild all the social institutes and disarm all that armed groups at the streets. No need to take personal responsibility for all the flaws and failures. Just sit somewhere in cosy Europe and rant about evil occupants. The more internal problems appear in Ukraine - the more rumors about hordes of Russian soldiers ready to cross the border are thrown into media. And I mention the same behavior not only in Ukraine. Some other ex-USSR countries that failed to build a well-working state cry about possible Russian occupation from time to time. BTW I understand their thoughts: it's much easier to blame the 'occupants' from abroad than confess that after all the loud and boastful words about independence they are not able to manage a well-working state system even with a good starting conditions.

[arttem 1]

( Russia Today ) Duma to consider ban on ‘pro-Nazi’ computer games

Like i said. They taked an precedent which took place to be at 25 june 2013.

http://kanobu.ru/news/nachalsya-sbor-petitsij-protiv-company-of-heroes-2-367325/

Many people in Russia was collecting signatures for the petition in june 2013. Against Company of Heroes 2.

At 31 january 2014 bloggers start to make english explanations. http://youtu.be/277QJAvd7Hs

Here is that petition. http://www.change.org/ru/петиции/директору-компании-1Ñ-Ñофтклаб-прекратить-продажи-компьютерной-игры-company-of-heroes-2-на-территории-Ñнг

And in one day the most famous and popular game journalist go to duma and try to understand whats going on.

http://www.darkwren.ru/igry/industriya-i-vlast/

The main lobbyist of the games from the state at this meeting - Evgeny Mikhailov, assistant Head of the presidential Administration, Pskov region Governor from 1996 to 2004. He did not need any explains from gamers, because he's in the theme of the game for many years (means he is the game player too).....

....And Yes, the deputies are open for proposals gaming community - that is, I can now collect suggestions, make them a document, send them directly, and they guarantee that he will be considered and taken into account. All contacts are available....

....And even deputies liked the idea to order DICE Patriotic shooter. Saying, they are who knows - may that does not need to spend public money on trash makers. In my opinion, that's fine.

Nobody touching games at all.

4 February 2014

Special attention in the gaming community was attracted by the subject of state control in computer games. According to Chairman of Committee of the State Duma on information policy of Alexei Mitrofanov, prohibit the game is not going to, ("no one's going to ban"), but there are a number of issues requiring specific regulation.....

....The discussion dealt with the protection of copyright in the distribution of video games, the possible measures to support domestic producers and the importance of the analysis of foreign experience in the legislative regulation of such issues.

Russia today channel is so russian. FPDR

They want to sew one precedent to the other to receive the necessary picture of bloody regime. FPDR

RIA Novosti

The Russia Today channel is AUTONOMOUS NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATION "TV-NOVOSTI" , Alexey Nikolov is the owner. Without any Putin bloody hand.

http://rt.com/about-us/contact-info/

http://www.comnews.ru/node/67949

For example, the U.S. requires a different content and form of its filing, because, irrespective of political views of all Americans believe the special mission of the country and more interested in themselves than others. Therefore, in the US we distribute RT America with content other than international RT English....

....Originally it was planned to build a television resource that would tell the "other Russia", different from the propaganda of the USSR history. We did it quickly, but in the process of work came the understanding that the world is in principle not enough alternative view on any developments.

And it seems that they start to make super alternative point of view. FPDR

Noboby in Russia can understand about what they are talking. I can say that they shows only 30-40% of the truth. Another material coming from space.

Edited March 29, 2014 by ArtTem

[Dwarden 1124]

Soldiers Heroes of WW2 is quite old game like decade+ , it's precedesor to Faces of War, Men of War serie ... is Russia going to ban those too, then Red Orchestra and many other ?

[scrim 1]

So, no games about discarding democracy, invading and annexing other nations under the pretense of protecting your ethnicity from persecussion?

Guess they'll have to cancel their CoD ripoff, Call of Crimea :rolleyes:

[John Kozak 14]

Those who you mentioned are under heaviest pressure in Russia. They don't sit in the Parlament, they don't represent Russia in UN. Ukrainians nazis now sit in their Parlament, in free time they beat journalists (as you can see in video with "Svoboda" deputat), they represent country in UN (and justify nazis as Ukrainian representative did), they forbid parties and tried to ban Russian language. What would you compare next?

I suggest you get off your moral high horse, since your information about Ukraine obviously comes from the First channel. Sarcasm is good when it doesn't come from propaganda victim with double standards.

Name me one Ukranian "nazi" currently representing Ukraine in UN.

Besides, we have Milonov in Duma, who is also in fact a nationalist. Good casus belli, huh?

P.S.And for "forbidding parties" - you made me laugh... Russia is a totally democratic state, all right. No political repressions at all.

Edited March 29, 2014 by DarkWanderer