Mil Mi-6A "Hook" (beta)

[fulcrum_86 12]

NightIntruder, thanks for the update, I'll send you a bug & suggestions report in a few days.

[NightIntruder 710]

I will appreciate it, Fulcrum :)

[fulcrum_86 12]

Ok, let's go.

Generally Mi-6 is already very good (very close, IMHO, to the best BIS and community-made examples, so it’s worth making it even better), but here are some bugs and ideas):

A) Bugs (errors, mistakes, pop-ups):

1) Name mistake – not Mi-6A ‘Hoop’ but Mi-6A ‘Hook’;

2) 2 forward landing lights are not seen: shine of lights exists, but 2 lamps themselves don’t shine/are not seen (possibly model problem?);

3) In-game pop-up errors (most concerning texture files (“.paaâ€):

- “cannot load texture “ca/air/data/optika_heli_tl.paa†(at the start of every game with Mi-6);

- “cannot load texture “3499a335.paa†(when Mi-6 crashes);

- “cannot load texture “706d20a5.paa†(any time during game);

- “sound “int73_mi6a/sounds/mi6rain_small.ogg not found†(during rain).

4) Crash model problem:

- no flame/burning/explosions/secondary explosions after Mi-6 crash-lands at low speeds, its model just transforms into “destroyed†model in a second and that’s all.

5) Flight dynamics problem:

- Mi-6 turns wildly left and right at low speeds and when on ground – unrealistic, even Mi-8 and Mi-24 turn left and right much slower).

B) Suggestions:

1) Flares – as you wish (I think most Mi-6s were not equipped with chaff and flare system, but those operating in Afghanistan and in Chechnya possibly were);

2) Passenger version – could be very useful in transport and airborne missions;

3) Standard (BIS) camouflage pattern of CHDKZ and CDF?

4) More damage elements – broken windows/glass, some other destruction effects on the chopper parts, black smoke from engines when damaged – could be a good addition.

5) Full crew – is it possible? If all 5 crew members could be seated and ejected, it could be very nice. Also player’s choice to play to include at least 2 crew members – right now there is only one – “pilotâ€.

6) Better textures for radioop., nav., mechanic insrument panels.

7) Also i have a lot of ideas on textures, but I’ve written enough already for you). If you can, please make random numbers and serial numbers (like RedHammerStudios did and other projects). If you can’t, then I wish You could make another one Mi-6 for Russian AF – “61 red†already exists, but there are other nice choppers from the same unit. For example, “84 red†with white stripe, flag and bear emblem. But it’s easy to paint, it has the same grey texture otherwise, just add the bear to the right side + flag and stripe and that’s all) You can just take the “61†texture and correct it a bit) Look at the attachments, I’ve attached everything I found on the net.

http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/MA/MA99-2/o3-2.jpg (142 kB)

Also you can delete “make heli’s landing gear animation†from your “to do†list cause this chopper doesn’t have retractable gear.

[chrisb 196]

Seems reasonable the above mentioned. I was wondering though, shouldn't it handle a little like a wobbly jelly when really slow, o.k. maybe not that bad, but the Mi26 (IIRC), handles fairly realistically for its size, little harder to keep it under control when really slow.

Just a thought.

Really nice heli anyway, great work, thanks for sharing.

:)

That said, I have never spoken to a pilot of one of these things.

[NightIntruder 710]

@Fulcrum

Bugs

4. I have no idea what causes the bug.

Suggestions

1. Flares - the only versions of Mi-6 carrying self-defense measures were Mi-6VZPu and Mi-6BUS/AYaSh - both were either Electronic Warfare or Early Warning versions, not the transport one. I couldn't find any information regarding both Mi-6 and those countries you've mentioned. So, I'm gonna stick with no flares/chaffs with Mi-6, sorry.

2. Passenger version - as an explanation to my post regarding the version, I believe there would be a huge impact on mission balance if such RW aircraft accidentally crashed or shot-downed. That's why I have dropped the idea of the pax version. In RL it can carry 65 fully equipped soldiers or 90 passengers! If you really need an infantry company being delivered by 4 helis, I can try to do that as the transport one has already 33 seats to possible use. We'll see...

3. The version 0.6 beta of the addon already has them both or I didn't catch what you meant Fulcrum (?)

6. I would change that if I could find any good reference pictures. There are not many around unfortunately, so no chance mate unless someone will link/send me good pictures.

7. Any suggestions are very welcomed, Fulcrum:) Feel free to contact me here or via PM. I already know that those textures are plain and simple, they need some scratches, dirt and weathering effect badly. I will work on it. Also, I will try to make those two choppers or look into what I can do with changeable side / serial numbers / emblems.

The rest is doable/fixable, I think.

@ChrisB

Yea, I can do that. I mean, can change it to something similar the Mi26 has. The problem is that FM of an aircraft in A2 is really simple. There are few parameters to change, and most important are a balance of mass within the model and its CoG.

[chrisb 196]

@ChrisB

Yea, I can do that. I mean, can change it to something similar the Mi26 has. The problem is that FM of an aircraft in A2 is really simple. There are few parameters to change, and most important are a balance of mass within the model and its CoG.

Thank you, anything that makes it feel a little heavier and awkward to handle when landing or slow. Its great at the moment, very good the vibration etc.

Just feels a little too easy to land, for its size and so on.

Thanks, appreciate your work and sharing it.

[fulcrum_86 12]

The rest is doable/fixable, I think.

That will be adorable if you take into account most of my and others' notes .

Suggestions

1. Concerning flares - ok;

2. Concerning pax version - well, I still agree with others that it is needed. Yes, we have Mi-26, but i's different, it's older and worse than Mi-6. Mi-26 has no CDF, CHDKZ textures and I, for ex., spend most of my time in AA2 on Chernarus ;);

3. Aaaa, well, I ment standard BIS CHDKZ and CDF colour schemes;) (see pictures lower);

6. See pictures lower;

7. If you can, please make those changeable S/Ns and/or emblems and "84 red" for RF side from pictures above) That would be a fantastic addition to your addon for all, I'm sure).

If I could, I would have done smth myself or helped you in your great effort but, unfortunately, so far I've only learned config and not completely:).

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BIS CDF and CHDKZ standard paint schemes

CDF

CHDKZ

http://www.armedassault.info/ftp/pics/news/pics1/OfpArmaArma2comp2.jpg (174 kB)

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You can find everything here http://igor113.livejournal.com/396012.html

Also:

http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AV/AV99-1/6-1.jpg - pilots workplace

http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AV/AV99-1/6-2.jpg - commander

http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AV/AV99-1/6-3.jpg - radiooperator

http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AV/AV99-1/6-4.jpg - flight engineer (mechanic)

http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AV/AV99-1/6-5.jpg - navigator (1)

http://crimso.msk.ru/Images6/AV/AV99-1/7-2.jpg - navigator (2)

Edited June 1, 2014 by Fulcrum_86

[NightIntruder 710]

You can find everything here http://igor113.livejournal.com/396012.html

That's the first time I see this website. It is awesome! I love the quality and the amount of the data available there. Thank you Fulcrum! :)

I wish I could have it before I have started the conversion. If you know any other similar websites with high res pictures of aircarfts' parts, decals etc., please share them here.

I can give you one specific polish website with cockpits' panoramas of mostly russian-made aircrafts: www.aviateam.pl - > go to: "Multimedia" tab and then: "Panoramy 360". A lot of good stuff as a reference pictures :)

[fulcrum_86 12]

Sure, I'll help you with everything I find! Good Luck to you, waiting for the next beta:thumbsup:

[fulcrum_86 12]

I wish I could have it before I have started the conversion. If you know any other similar websites with high res pictures of aircarfts' parts, decals etc., please share them here.

Well, generally, there ARE some real quality photos of Mi-6s on the net; lots of former military and civil "Hooks" are in aviation museums all across former USSR. I think I've found some of the best walkarounds available for you. Here they are (maybe even better then previous link):

1) http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/helicopters/mi-6_37/

2) http://walkarounds.scalemodels.ru/v/walkarounds/helicopters/mi-6_lugansk/

3) http://scalemodels.ru/modules/photo/viewcat_cid_383.html

4) http://toniosky7.blogspot.ru/2010/08/mil-mi-6-hook-cockpit-aviation-museum.html

[fulcrum_86 12]

Videos.

Also I don't know if they can be of any use to you at all, but here are some videos of Mi-6:

1)

- sound inside cockpit;

2)

- external sound and flight dynamics;

3)

- internal sound, pre-flight check, MG use;

4)

- start sound;

5)

- external/internal sounds.

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And last one - Mi-6 sounds from FS 2004.

http://www.avsimrus.com/f/fs2004-sounds-38/mi-8-5716.html?action=download&hl=mi-6

[bijihunter 10]

Release for Arma 3?

Love this bird, would be awesome to fly it in the new engine. Be a shame to see this rust :(

[bars91 956]

It's not "rusting" - A2 Unsung mod has it and will (probably) have it ported/updated to A3 (i guess so, since the mod itself is being actively developed for A3)  ;)

[chrisb 196]

Release for Arma 3?

Love this bird 'snip' Be a shame to see this rust :(

 

Don't worry, it won't ever rust. ;)

[hcpookie 3770]

Yeah no doubt.  And what's up with all the "will you please make it for Arma 3" comments?  Can't people read the forum rules? 

[fabio_chavez 103]

fyi its in A3 now via CUP Vehicles

[h4wek 41]

I  made rebuilded version for A3 and we still update it so if anybody wants to fly this monster or is interested to help in imroove it will be welcome here it is with belssing of Nightintruder so we can continue this topic futher.

 

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2462593883

[R0adki11 3945]

On 2/11/2022 at 10:42 PM, h4wek said:

I  made rebuilded version for A3 and we still update it so if anybody wants to fly this monster or is interested to help in imroove it will be welcome here it is with belssing of Nightintruder so we can continue this topic futher.

 

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2462593883

 

Please create your own thread in Arma3 Section of the forums, rather than digging up an 6 year old thread.