the MXM is too weak?

[squirrel0311 16]

btw Squirrel0311

the MSR isnt the M2010 , yes they are made by the same company but MSR is a multi caliber sniper rifle , while the m2010 is only .300 Magnum ;)

Yes I know, but I said that more for the sake of thinking about different calibers. It should have said, "Yes also known as the modular M2010" ...or something along those lines. They are basically the same rifle but like you said the MSR is modular so it has a bigger action for different barrels and what not. Then again.. the M2010 is a pound lighter... so that might be a better choice...

Oh and on the point of the Bluefor Anti Material rifle..... We could say that CheyTac got contracted to build a .50 cal version of the Intervention. :p I hear they're not doing too hot even with the limited government contracts they have out right now. :/

Fixed other post too! :P

Edited November 7, 2013 by Squirrel0311

[da12thMonkey 1943]

DMR:

Bluefor - Mk14

Opfore - VS 121 (Rahim)

Greefor or British - L129A

So far as the UK goes; UK Special Forces (which the current bunch of Brits in Arma 3 are) have HK417s to perform the sort of roles that L129A1 is used for. The section-level 7.62mm DMR/Sharpshooter role is currently only really an interim capability for operations in Afghanistan.

We only bought between 440 and 1000 L129 Sharpshooter rifles as an Urgent Operation Requirement (actual number is probably towards the lower end of this bracket rather than the upper end), which is nowhere near enough to maintain it as a permanent capability unless there's a sudden injection of cash to buy more rifles and spares to take the capability into core budget. Once we pull out of Afghanistan they'll probably be redistributed on a more selective basis, either to expand on the current "Sniper Support Weapon" role that the L129A1 has (equipped with a 12x Schmidt & Bender scope and Surefire suppressor) or one of the other specialist roles that the rifle has found application in (Maritime interdiction, close protection etc.). If it remains a section-level weapon it'll probably only be within the "tip of the spear" light infantry units like the Parachute Regiment and Royal Marines.

Prior to the L129A1 UOR, the powers that be were touting the 5.56mm L86A2 LSW as something to take up a sharpshooter role within infantry sections. It was shown as part of the planned equipment Future Infantry Soldier Technology (FIST) "Epoch 1" fireteam, where each team would have 1x 5.56mm L85A2 IW for the commander, 1x 5.56mm L85A2 + 40mm L123A2 for the UGL gunner, 1x 5.56mm L110A2 for the LMG gunner and 1x 5.56mm L86A2 LSW for the sharpshooter. This might still be the plan - I haven't seen the most recent break-down of FIST's employment. Everybody hates the LSW though - it's shite.

[maturin 12]

Also, this; "Because if your riflemen can't reach it, your marksman can. If your marksman can't reach it, your sniper can. If your sniper can't reach it, your arty/air can. If they can't reach it then !@#$ that target. He isn't even worried about you."

Where's that quote from? Because snipers don't even belong in that lineup. More like riflemen>machinegunner>crew-served weapons

[armilio 14]

Nail on the head.

That's exactly what it's supposed to be, a Special Purpose Rifle, like the Mk12. It's not a DMR, I know because I was a DM. Rifles like the Mk12 or what the MXM is are given out normally to companies before they go over. You may get one per squad if they have enough (They normally don't.) Or more than likely you get one per platoon. The person that gets the rifle isn't a DM...He's just....a marksman. They don't go to DM school and the most they usually get is a week or two of classes from the STA platoon or something.. even then that's usually only if they have time.

And yes they use the same ammo as the standard rifles because sharing is caring. Not to mention some if not most BN/CO SOP is that you carry your Marskman rifle, plus your regular rifle. This way, in theory...if one goes down you still have the other. It's still a B to carry around though.

Yes, but...according to your knowledge, the role of the DM and the equipment is still in development?

As i read here (p. 47):

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA512331

Until few years ago (2009), squad-designated-marksman (and marksman in general) equipments is not standardized. Some unit use SDM-R with acog, other unit mk14 with 3,5-10x telescopic sight. SDM can be different from DM, i know, but i think maybe the in-game "marksman" role is in-reality SDM role (so, my first post in this topic is really wrong, yes).

I don't know if in last 3-4 years all change, but if anything has changed, I suppose that is changing in the direction of more-marksman rifle, and more powerful. Or many squads still do not have a "marksman of the squad"?

I'm speaking about US forces, of course; british and other Western armies have different settings.

Anyway, for realistic settings of my clan, i could use Mk18 for platoon-DM and MXM for squad-DM...

Edited November 7, 2013 by Armilio

[squirrel0311 16]

So far as the UK goes; UK Special Forces (which the current bunch of Brits in Arma 3 are) have HK417s to perform the sort of roles that L129A1 is used for. The section-level 7.62mm DMR/Sharpshooter role is currently only really an interim capability for operations in Afghanistan.

Yeah I heard they were fielding the HK417s too, I honestly don't know too much about the L129A1's performance, I just kind of threw it out there. On second thought though... if they brought the RFB back to 7.62 and gave it the 18 inch barrel.. we could say that was the GreenFor/British DMR... Keep the Bullpup style rifles on the same side. (-Sniper)

DMR:

Bluefor - Mk14

Opfore - VS 121 (Rahim)

Greefor or British - L129A

Sniper Rifle:

BlueFor - Remington M2010

Opfor - ORSIS T-5000

GreenFor or British - Accuracy International AX338

Anti Material:

BlueFor - M107A1 w/ Hornady AMAX .50

OPFOR - Arash - 20mm (Haha :P )

GreenFor - Gepard GM6 Lynx - 12.7

Yes, but...according to your knowledge, the role of the DM and the equipment is still in development?

As i read here (p. 47):

http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA512331

Until few years ago (2009), squad-designated-marksman (and marksman in general) equipments is not standardized. Some unit use SDM-R with acog, other unit mk14 with 3,5-10x telescopic sight. SDM can be different from DM, i know, but i think maybe the in-game "marksman" role is in-reality SDM role (so, my first post in this topic is really wrong, yes).

I don't know if in last 3-4 years all change, but if anything has changed, I suppose that is changing in the direction of more-marksman rifle, and more powerful. Or many squads still do not have a "marksman of the squad"?

I'm speaking about US forces, of course; british and other Western armies have different settings.

Anyway, for realistic settings of my clan, i could use Mk18 for platoon-DM and MXM for squad-DM...

Well it's bed time so I so I'm not sure I'm reading your post correctly and I certainly didn't read that entire manual but here I go...

Yes, I think you're pretty accurate in saying that the role of a Squad Advanced Marksman is fairly new. We're always changing the way we fight in an effort to find something that works better. As of right now it seems to be common practice but it is certainly not doctrine. From what I remember the Mk11s and Mk12s were still in the test phases we didn't have that many of them so they would jump from off going to the on going unit. In my first unit I used an M14 DMR and in my second unit I used a MK11.

And again, Yes, I think in the game they meant for the MXM to be used as a SAM-R. So you'd be correct to have a squad marksman and a Platoon Designated Marksman.