Oxygen release imminent (?)

[Guest]

Sorry people but I accidentaly deleted the last thread.

I was meaning to dele a post in the thread but clicked on the wrong button and deleted the entire thing.

This is not in an attempt to censorship or something like that. Feel free to continue the discussion here and I apologize for any inconvenience this might have caused.

[Rhubarbman 0]

I would come up with some crack pot consiracy theory, buts 8 am and i iant had any sleep.

Althought how can we continue if we don't know that last post ?

[Antichrist 0]

I hope they don't open our "elite" forums to the public!

[HellToupee 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Antichrist @ Aug. 21 2002,21:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I hope they don't open our "elite" forums to the public!  <span id='postcolor'>

*sits at the door rdy to crash the party*

[Matthijs 40]

Here's the original message: I got the following e-mail from BIS, in reply to my request for a copy of Oxygen.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Dear Matthijs,

Thank you for your interest, O2 will be opend for public very soon.

On our www.flashpoint1985.com will be available the download link.

With The Best Regards

Nada Adamkova

BIStudio

 ----- Original Message -----

 From: W.M. Crielaard

 To: vyvoj@bohemiainteractive.cz

 Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 2:15 PM

 Subject: Oxygen application

 Dear Sirs / Mrs.,

 

 

[deleted some blah blah here...]

 I hope to hear from you soon if my application will be accepted.

 Kind regards,

 Matthijs Crielaard

 Webmaster BBEmariniers.NET<span id='postcolor'>

@ DENOIR:

Don't feel bad about it. I once deleted 80% of a forum, entering a wrong number in the "purge" options. Worst thing was, it was not my own forum, but one of my companions'...

OOOOPSSS!

[ralphwiggum 6]

thanx a lot Denoir!

my personal preference is that they have new section for O2 once it is released. since Breathe forum has so many stuffs that will take us long time to regurgitate, we need to have a fresh new forum for general modding community.

[Rhubarbman 0]

I say keep the stuff that ppl need for O2 and everything else leave "secret" so that the modmakers dont complain about us looking at it or asking about it.

[KTottE 0]

It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.

If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

As i said in the old thread, but nobody probably noticed since denoir cencored it

Anyway, why not make a new forum called "New breath" or something for us newbies to visit and post in. And then make the old "Breath" forum public as well, but only modmakers have write-permissions in it. Just like the "Flashnews" forum. This means us newbies can go searching for problems etc. in the old forum, while the 1337 people can continue to solve the more advanced problems. Of course we would appreciate that they would visit the "new breath" forum as well to help us out

[Rhubarbman 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @ Aug. 21 2002,10:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.

If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?<span id='postcolor'>

Why? do beta testers get a free copy of the game or special treatment once game is out?

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @ Aug. 21 2002,10:09)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.

If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?<span id='postcolor'>

With all due respect, you are completely wrong. You guys have had months of learning the program, using the program before the rest of us. You have allready gotten your part of the cake. I dont see why there should be an "elite modelling group" anymore. Of course, my Idea goes a little overthere, but i was more thinking my idea as a beginning, and maybe in a few months, the boards could be merged.

[JAP 2]

I think denoir told in the other topic that he didn t see why the breathe forum wasn t gonna be made public too !

I don t understand all this hush hush stuff and this Uber-modeller attitude to be honest !

But if the current O2 owners like it that every single question is posted again well, then better keep the current breathe forum a secret !

I think we gonna be amazed by some of the addons that are gonna be released by the noob-modellers. As i can recall certain modeller's first efforts werent very brilliant either !

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

Yep, every1 have to start somewhere. And as denoir said: why invent the wheel twice?

[SelectThis 0]

I'm all for opening up the old Breathe forums...trust me there's nothing in there which is sooo secret...and also no earth shattering relevations which automatically makes addon making easy.

I think it is important to let people know that there is nothing magical about O2, don't get your hopes up about being able to do everything with this one program. It's hard to learn and use, documention is non-existant and there are many restrictions on what you can edit and do. Having said that, it's great that BIS are releasing it to everyone and I'm all for removing the "Elite" perception of those already granted O2. Sharing information is what fan sites are all about and I intend to do that fully back on the OFPEC forums.

SelectThis

[dkraver 1]

9--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @ Aug. 21 2002,109)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.

If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?<span id='postcolor'>

First. A bit selfish isnt it.

Secondly. I wouldnt say selected  like you where someone special. You where lucky to be one of the few that where granted. Lots of people asked an where turned down even though they had great projects with models and others stuff ready.

Third. Your "job" by having the beta is/where to test it and make it ready for the puplic to recieve it.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm all for opening up the old Breathe forums...trust me there's nothing in there which is sooo secret...and also no earth shattering relevations which automatically makes addon making easy.

I think it is important to let people know that there is nothing magical about O2, don't get your hopes up about being able to do everything with this one program. It's hard to learn and use, documention is non-existant and there are many restrictions on what you can edit and do. Having said that, it's great that BIS are releasing it to everyone and I'm all for removing the "Elite" perception of those already granted O2. Sharing information is what fan sites are all about and I intend to do that fully back on the OFPEC forums.

SelectThis

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THX just what i wanted to hear from a modmaker    

[KTottE 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (dkraver @ Aug. 21 2002,12:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @ Aug. 21 2002,10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.

If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?<span id='postcolor'>

First. A bit selfish isnt it. <!--emo&

Secondly. I wouldnt say selected  like you where someone special. You where lucky to be one of the few that where granted. Lots of people asked an where turned down even though they had great projects with models and others stuff ready.

Third. Your "job" by having the beta is/where to test it and make it ready for the puplic to recieve it.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm all for opening up the old Breathe forums...trust me there's nothing in there which is sooo secret...and also no earth shattering relevations which automatically makes addon making easy.

I think it is important to let people know that there is nothing magical about O2, don't get your hopes up about being able to do everything with this one program. It's hard to learn and use, documention is non-existant and there are many restrictions on what you can edit and do. Having said that, it's great that BIS are releasing it to everyone and I'm all for removing the "Elite" perception of those already granted O2. Sharing information is what fan sites are all about and I intend to do that fully back on the OFPEC forums.

SelectThis

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THX just what i wanted to hear from a modmaker    <span id='postcolor'>

This is to answer all the posts that replied to my first post here.

I wasn't talking about a free game, for one. I've never heard of that anyway =)

The benefits for us was that we had the Breathe boards, which has been a tremendous help.

And I wasn't talking about O2 being kept private, or the O2 boards being kept private. I'm all for a public O2 board, but the rest of the boards in the breathe section of the forum should be kept private.That's what I meant by benefits.

And our "job" is in the Breathe program to test each of the tools. Not just Oxygen. Our job isn't finished here you know.

The idea of a board where we Breathers can post, but the rest can only read sounds like a good idea. There's nothing you need to know that hasn't already been answered in there.

Also, I feel that OFP sites out there needs to be harder on addons when O2 is released.

Don't accept addons that doesn't have any LOD levels.

Don't accept addons with extreme polycounts.

Don't accept rubbish (Rubbish = Realistic addons that are very poorly made)

Also don't accept any missions using addons that weren't approved.

That's just my opinion. Now I know that many of you will create top-notch addons, but you can't be serious if you think that we won't see a large flood of so called crap addons.

[JAP 2]

Uhm, we have seen that already when people started to change models in P3d.

Like said before, a crap addon will be known right away and will not live long.

We are ALL spoiled ! So that s a good thing, cause no one is quickly satisfied anymore. ( damn you good modellers )

Anyway i m for making the O2 part of Breathe public, i wouldn t know why we need to look into stuff for tools we don t have already.

[dkraver 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's not that we don't want you asking for it, it's just that we were selected for the Breathe program, and we should still reap the benefits of that.

If you will get all the perks we've had/have, there was really no point in that program was there?<span id='postcolor'>

Maybe you should choose the word you use better next time then   The post you made earlier gives a signal that you dont wanna share your knowledge.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And our "job" is in the Breathe program to test each of the tools. Not just Oxygen. Our job isn't finished here you know.

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Of course the two other things that you are to beta test wont be public and i also said that in the deleted post. but it seems that you o2 "job" is finished.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also, I feel that OFP sites out there needs to be harder on addons when O2 is released.

Don't accept addons that doesn't have any LOD levels.

Don't accept addons with extreme polycounts.

Don't accept rubbish (Rubbish = Realistic addons that are very poorly made)

Also don't accept any missions using addons that weren't approved.

<span id='postcolor'>

Im all up for the idea that the ofp sites should make it harder to get a addon on there sites. It would only make the game better

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The idea of a board where we Breathers can post, but the rest can only read sounds like a good idea. There's nothing you need to know that hasn't already been answered in there.

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I dont think the idea that making a board where only some can post and others read will work. The board there is now should be made read only for all and then there should be a new board for posts.

Since basicly the thing that the only poster would post would propely be the same things (in time) that would be posted on the other board. This isnt just a show off board like the addons board is more like a technical board, at least that what i think it would be. And it would only make a divided ofp community where theres a group (that have the knowledge now) that would only post on one board to keep from answering question that will help others (this is based on the attitude given from modmakers in the deleted post). This resulting in very few people to get help from and the "new" modmakers having, as some say it, to reinvent the wheel.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The benefits for us was that we had the Breathe boards, which has been a tremendous help.

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So let it help others  

[KTottE 0]

I still think the idea of the old O2 board being made post-only for the ModMakers will work.

But your idea was even better. The old board goes public and non-post for everyone. So that ppl can read there.

And a brand-spankin new, public-O2 board is released.

Though I would like to see the moderators kicking arse with the people who doesn't search the old O2 board before posting in the new one.

[ALDEGA 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and we should still reap the benefits of that<span id='postcolor'>

*cough*arrogance*cough*

You should be happy you got it many months in advance, while the rest of us didn't get anything.

[KTottE 0]

You should be quiet when you don't know what you are talking about.

We where luckier/more talented/generally better than those who didn't get accepted, and we are still in the Breathe program. The Breathe program brings certain extra perks and benefits, which the people not in Breathe should get nothing of. Since they were not accepted. I don't care if JimBob who is an extremely talented modelmaker didn't get accepted and I did, because the facts remain: I was accepted, and he wasn't.

And I didn't get it "many months in advance".

[kegetys 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @ Aug. 21 2002,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We where luckier/more talented/generally better than those who didn't get accepted, and we are still in the Breathe program.<span id='postcolor'>

Pretty much anyone who asked to get in got in, even if they didnt have really anything to show. So its mostly just a matter of laziness (or a lack of knowledge of such program) if you arent a modmaker imo.

[KTottE 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kegetys @ Aug. 21 2002,14:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @ Aug. 21 2002,14:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">We where luckier/more talented/generally better than those who didn't get accepted, and we are still in the Breathe program.<span id='postcolor'>

Pretty much anyone who asked to get in got in, even if they didnt have really anything to show. So its mostly just a matter of laziness (or a lack of knowledge of such program) if you arent a modmaker imo.<span id='postcolor'>

Exactly my point. Not our/my problem if you don't have O2. But now it's going public.

So that's not an issue.

What I was talking about was the fact that a lot of people wanted all the Breathe boards made public, I didn't like that at all.

[JAP 2]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KTottE @ Aug. 21 2002,13:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You should be quiet when you don't know what you are talking about.

We where luckier/more talented/generally better than those who didn't get accepted, and we are still in the Breathe program. The Breathe program brings certain extra perks and benefits, which the people not in Breathe should get nothing of. Since they were not accepted. I don't care if JimBob who is an extremely talented modelmaker didn't get accepted and I did, because the facts remain: I was accepted, and he wasn't.

And I didn't get it "many months in advance".<span id='postcolor'>

Oh plz stop with those "i_am_better_then_the_rest" speeches !

I ve seen beautifull addons but that still doesn t give any modeller the right to feel better then others.

In fact the only one who should be able to feel like the king of modelling is VERY down to earth, learn from him.

This mentality is just completely WRONG !

[KTottE 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

In fact the only one who should be able to feel like the king of modelling is VERY down to earth, learn from him.

<span id='postcolor'>

Please explain what you mean.