An Old Trend renewed

[ric 1]

what makes you say that? If your following carefuly Dean Halls devblog, and gamecom interviews, he said clearly, that dayz sa is NOT using rv3 engine.

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So you think that the devs are ignoring the "performance" issue? I seriously beg to differ, read the Sitreps and they tell you that the devs are optimising the game.

the engine cant scale...thats ignoring the "issue"

being unable to utilize modern hardware...thats ignoring the "issue"

robing peter to pay Paul (TOH flight model) ...thats ignoring the "issue"

"optimizing" you know what that means? its like tuning up a car engine...it runs but runs a bit rough so you change the plugs check the timing run some carb cleaner through and WAHLAH! she is running a lot smoother ...but doing the aforementioned when you have a spun bearing,bent rod, burnt valves will not really help anything.

I have seen this before....when the reviews come in (if they are unbiased) they will praise A3 for all it possibilities and crucify it for it performance. I saw this with CLOD they loved all it could do and the detail but the performance was the killer 18 months later the plug was pulled and TOD for CLOD was pronounced :( that of course will not happen here but i dont think people are going tobe so forgiving this time...after all (ad nauseum ) this is not a new "issue"

[Sealife 22]

Gnat;2493832']Join date: July 2013

"Old Trend"

I respectfully ask' date=' are you in a legitimate position to offer advice on trends of this forum/this community/this software house?

Some of us have seen these cycles, many times.

Gladly BIS weathers them, as does the people [b']who did their research[/b] and knows what they're buying.

I read the forums and form an opinion based on that and then relay my opinion, may i poliety ask why you need to know anything more than that as to asess what formulates a qualification, or am i right to assume you are here to throw the other old trend around of Post count and join date = rights ?

Edited September 11, 2013 by Sealife

[windies 11]

Though I can understand that posting this is a way of showing disappointment. I don't see the final productive intention of it.

I mean, BI can manage they assets as they please. And it has been said in other posts that A3 has had new content from last spring.

I'm starting to think that the moderators should open a new forum called "All kinds of complains", to keep each forum focused on their topics.

He's not alone in thinking that. I don't always agree with his tone or his attitude or even all of his points, but I can't say that he's alone in feeling like ArmA 3 is the red headed step child. I see no core engine problems that have been fixed, just more gloss and shine added to an engine that can barely handle it. It boils down to DayZ getting "Exactly" what it needs versus ArmA 3 being shoved out the door, poor performance and age old problems with it.

Believe me, I like ArmA and OFP as much as the next fanboy, but I'm not completely blind nor callow.

[mistyronin 1181]

Believe me, I like ArmA and OFP as much as the next fanboy, but I'm not completely blind nor callow.

I also share part of disappointment, and I do think that BI will have to work hard to keep up with this game; but I'm confident they will.

The thing, is that I don't see the point of this posts, it can only make things worse.

I'd love to see constructive criticism, that could encourage the BI team. Because we are all humans, and I believe, no one likes to be complained in a destructive manner every day a thousand times ( I'm even starting to think that devs don't want to come to the forum, to avoid all the harassment ).

[David77 10]

ArmA3 was going to happen regardless of DayZ. But it wouldn't have been such a mess if DayZ SA didn't cause a split in resources which effectively ruined it.

If you think DayZ "saved" ArmA3 from never happening you are very wrong. BIS was doing well as it is, even did a massive increase in workforce by acquiring several studios back in 2010.

I couldn't agree more.

[bad benson 1733]

i agree that people can get a bit too worked up over stuff and that some take it too far, but, no matter how badly formulated the criticism or how insufferable the messenger, i still think that cristicism is important. it's, simply put, what makes things better. i personally handle forum drama very badly and tend to get roped into stupid discussions a lot and that's why i try to stay away from these threads as much as i can.

i think it's best to just ignore attitude in any post and just look for actual points. i mean it's simply a fact that MP performance is a disaster so far. i have good faith (i really hope) that it will improve but i also understand people getting mad over it. i really love this game and i'm hooked since the ofp demo. but that makes it even harder to watch how much potential gets wasted on this series everyrtime. even in it's current state arma 3 would be mind blowing, if only it was actually playable in MP (or wouldn't chopp/freeze constantly).

i think in general it's easy to see what intentions a post has. if people just want to complain and play the blame game and wave around their utilization charts or analyze BI's business strategy, it's best to just not engage. i think trying to make the forums for a game a place of civilized discussion is kind of a lost cause. it's like a public area. you can run into all kinds of people. add the anonymity if the internet and you get just a bunch of dickheads and wise asses ;). and i sometimes think that it's good for people to have this place to let their rage out. it's like therapy ;)

so yea. i see too that this slowly becomes like other game forums but it's better than arma being a niche thing where it's ok because it's just BI and they can't do better and the community will fix it. arma is a big girl now. she can take some harsh words. it's an awesome game but it could be A LOT better. so let's keep BI on their toes. :p

[tortuosit 486]

Am I the only one seeing the logical contradiction here? :)

No, not the only one. DayZ surely has it's negative (but also positive) effects on ArmA and the player base. But I am not thinking in "[bashed game]kids" terms. Everything is relative. There are other people, for whom gamers in general are stupid kids. We're all stupid, timewasting kids now!

I personally play complex grand strategy games, Dwarf Fortress, Go, Milsim and also do dumb PVP shootouts, depending on my mood. I love playing tactical ArmA, but I also like DayZ for it's immersive mood.

I refuse to judge about a human being just from the game he currently plays. Its so wrong!

[froggyluv 2136]

i agree that people can get a bit too worked up over stuff and that some take it too far, but, no matter how badly formulated the criticism or how insufferable the messenger, i still think that cristicism is important. it's, simply put, what makes things better. i personally handle forum drama very badly and tend to get roped into stupid discussions a lot and that's why i try to stay away from these threads as much as i can.

i think it's best to just ignore attitude in any post and just look for actual points. i mean it's simply a fact that MP performance is a disaster so far. i have good faith (i really hope) that it will improve but i also understand people getting mad over it. i really love this game and i'm hooked since the ofp demo. but that makes it even harder to watch how much potential gets wasted on this series everyrtime. even in it's current state arma 3 would be mind blowing, if only it was actually playable in MP (or wouldn't chopp/freeze constantly).

i think in general it's easy to see what intentions a post has. if people just want to complain and play the blame game and wave around their utilization charts or analyze BI's business strategy, it's best to just not engage. i think trying to make the forums for a game a place of civilized discussion is kind of a lost cause. it's like a public area. you can run into all kinds of people. add the anonymity if the internet and you get just a bunch of dickheads and wise asses ;). and i sometimes think that it's good for people to have this place to let their rage out. it's like therapy ;)

so yea. i see too that this slowly becomes like other game forums but it's better than arma being a niche thing where it's ok because it's just BI and they can't do better and the community will fix it. arma is a big girl now. she can take some harsh words. it's an awesome game but it could be A LOT better. so let's keep BI on their toes. :p

Truth and good post. Constructive criticism is a GREAT thing while constant bemoaning not. There are some you can give them 9 out of 10 things they ask for and they will harp and purely focus on that 1 thing with constant fury that gets tiring and actually backfires by making the fanbase seem pedantic and insatiable. Anyone's who ever had a 3 year old or a high maintenance girlfriend knows what I'm talking about... BI, what have you done for me lately!!!

:)

[Sealife 22]

Am I the only one seeing the logical contradiction here? :)

Depends how many didnt read the whole post specifically the piece about hypocrisy ;).

[windies 11]

I also share part of disappointment, and I do think that BI will have to work hard to keep up with this game; but I'm confident they will.

The thing, is that I don't see the point of this posts, it can only make things worse.

I'd love to see constructive criticism, that could encourage the BI team. Because we are all humans, and I believe, no one likes to be complained in a destructive manner every day a thousand times ( I'm even starting to think that devs don't want to come to the forum, to avoid all the harassment ).

And here in lay the problem. People on this forum seem to think that because someone points out a flaw in something that they are just trying to destroy ArmA or BI. Constructive criticism HAS to include criticism. Constructive criticism is not blind praise. The point of this whole thread is to point out this fact.

[David77 10]

And here in lay the problem. People on this forum seem to think that because someone points out a flaw in something that they are just trying to destroy ArmA or BI. Constructive criticism HAS to include criticism. Constructive criticism is not blind praise. The point of this whole thread is to point out this fact.

No the problem is all of the complaint threads, mostly complaining about the same thing. Most with no actual feedback, but ranting, complaining, & other Tom Foolery.

Edited September 12, 2013 by David77

[-ghost-tf 12]

No the problem is all of the complaint threads, mostly complaining about the same thing. Most with no actual feedback, but ranting, complaining, & other Tom Foolery.

Just like how you kept mentioning that the game is still in beta, while the full release is no different from the past dev branch version with just a few extra showcases..

[TFM_Callas 1]

Okay okay okay. Let us ask ourselves these questions.

1. Did this game release with less content than MOST people expected?

2. Did DayZ help the over all popularity of this franchise by getting it into the mainstream, and allowing people (like myself) to discover it?

3. Do we have a right to suggest that the devs did not put enough content in the game WITHOUT insulting anyone?

4. Is Arma 3 an UNBELIEVABLE platform with buckets of potential?

The answer to all those questions is yes.