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Interesting idea, I've heard variations of it before, some better, some complete BS, but well, it's just an idea after all. As a university student, I'm facing problems which could be easily overcome with this sort of basic income (or with a functional student support system, that doesn't have a nervous breakdown every 8 months and sends me emails about not finding certain files and information and therefore cutting the money for quite some time) - but it's not something that any state I know could pull off. The whole process of decision- and lawmaking, all the bureaucratic changes which would have to take place, the periods of accommodation for companies, institutions, everyone - it all would crash the system. Not saying that it's impossible or a genuinely bad idea - but it's not possible in any environment I know of. Only maybe if someone quickly starts up a new state with a whole new political and economic system, independent of international trade and politics (btw., if you know of any functional state like that, send me a passport.)

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I DO think something like Basic Income could be implemented, at least in Europe anyway. I know that in the UK we have multiple social programs that could be streamlined and better managed. But, I think the bigger problem is the exportation of our wealth.

To keep things on a small scale, I'll describe the situation in my neighbourhood. We have a Tesco Extra (think Wal-Mart if youre in the States) that opened her a few years back. One of the biggest issues before opening was the potential impact it would have on local businesses. Tesco glossed over the issues with assurances that nothing of the sort would happen. Needless to say, many local shops and pubs have been forced to close because they just cannot compete. Tesco is the 2nd largest retailer in the world, with a revenue of £64 BILLION ($99 Bil USD, 1,938,471,333,675 CZK). To put things in a better perspective, A pint of beer in a local pub is around £2.75 ($4.28 USD, 83.29 CZK), yet you can buy 6 cans of beer in Tesco for £1.50 ($2.34 USD, 45.43 CZK). Tesco, with its fiscal buying power can purchase beer cheaper than the local breweries can make it. This has resulted in local pubs shutting in droves and local breweries closing as well. Most of this would be well and good, if the money made its way back into the community. Unfortunately it does not. When a person buys groceries (and beer) from a local retailer, who in turn sources local products. Then that money eventually returns full circle. But when an entity like Tesco absorbs all the income from an area then distributes that income in say China, then that is where things go bad. In my mind it is no different than a mining company who comes in and strip-mines the land, then leaves when theyve bled the land dry.

Over the years weve pushed hard for sustainable fishing, farming, etc., But nowhere have we heard of sustainable business.

I think that's something that happens at the lower end of the scale too with people claiming then sending money back to families abroad.

The problem with the UK system is that it's open to fraud from a minority of people and the state cheating the public to a far greater extent.

For example http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jun/11/jobseekers-law-denying-benefit-rebates

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what is "enough to survive a month" exactly. Prices are not exactly the same around the EU, not even the same in cities in the same country. 500 euros might sound ok in Poland to get by, but is hardly the same in UK London for instance.

Agree. Even inside the same country let's say Spain, with 800€ you can live quite good in Sevilla but in Barcelona it may not be enough to pay the rent.

Thought the idea is nice, and in a perfect world it could work, but not in the real world ( too many differences between zones ).

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Nothing new , Britians welfare TiT is sagging after being sucked on for too long .

the wealth is aready shared i believe , we are expecting another 140,000 fom Romania and Bugaria first quarte of next year , i dont know where we fit them all , one thing for sure there will be 2. something milion claimants being paid a handsome amount and house and healthcare , yest still the boody roads wil be full of snow and ice this year , gto off there ass and earn it i say :). including the Natives of course )

The new benefit claimant figures also showed there were 102,000 claimants from Africa last year and 132,000 from Asia and the Middle East.

European claimants - including eastern European nationals - made up the largest group, at nearly 139,000.

The old pople pensions will pay for the young not to care for them etc etc . i presume thre is some elctions or some

thing coming up , usually the case ,somethings are pedictable , like when a charity needs to pay the new director , either the Snow leopard is down to only 3 or the outemongolian 3 legged stoat is near extinction .

My opinion of course others may vary .

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I think that's something that happens at the lower end of the scale too with people claiming then sending money back to families abroad.

The problem with the UK system is that it's open to fraud from a minority of people and the state cheating the public to a far greater extent.

For example http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jun/11/jobseekers-law-denying-benefit-rebates

Ah, but with the case of the Uni graduate, she had a very valid point. The law clearly states that minimum wage is £6.19 hr. They told her that she had to do "unpaid work" (working for her dole money) at poundland or lose her benefits. Unfortunately, they screwed up when they made her work more than 24.23 hours in 2 weeks (thats the amount of her benefit converted into allowable hours by law). If they'd have paid her for anything over that it would have been a non-issue. But when you force someone to work >30 hours a week at less than minimum wage, that legally borders on slavery/indentured servitude. There is a very vaild reason she won her case against the govt because of that.

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Well, I think it could work. Just make it reasonable: You get your allowance as long as you actually try to find employment. If you get directed to a reasonable employment but refuse to take it, your allowance is decreased. Some of the things you need to have an adequate standard of living are provided to you as is, meaning there's no room to get an allowance for those things and spend it on something else.

Oh wait, that's every Western society today.

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Having lived in the US most of my life and now living in the UK, I can tell you which is the more civilised country and it's not the US. These day in the US many cities make it ILLEGAL to give food to the homeless and a few even make being homeless a crime. Thats extremely sad. With the recent severe downturn in the economy, more and more once successful people are finding themselves in forclosure or even homeless. The US gov't was quick to bail out the banks and mortgage companies, but what about the avg citizen... they got the the good old "F Off". In the UK things are a bit different. Yeah, the taxes are high, but there there are trade offs that are worth it. Heres a link to think on http://www.totalbankruptcy.com/filing-bankruptcy-statistics/images/falling-into-medical-bankruptcy-orig.jpg

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and you'll find plenty who attest to the opposite. same with canadian/us ex expatriates. these subjective testimonies are beyond laughable as any standard of proof which system is better.

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Subjective? no, quite the opposite. Also, im a dual US/British citizen, not an expat, I pay "dual" taxes as well. I pay higher taxes here (UK) and as a result, I dont pay for medical care. In the US I paid about $500 a month plus the cost of prescriptions, plus office visits and any specialty care that was needed, not to mention I had a yearly "catasrophic cap" and any amount over that had to be paid out of pocket. As a Paramedic for the past 13 years years my knowledge of the medical system of both nations is more than a "subjective testimony".

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You get your allowance as long as you actually try to find employment.

Here where I live you have to do that anyways, the unemployment office will close your "account" if they see that your are not actively looking for work, and turning in the report sheets.

I was on unemployment for 2 yrs back in 2008-2010, and had to do this, after 10yrs in the trades, and no work for my trade, i found a job which im currently at today.

personally i think people shouldn't be given anything unless they paid into it, given people money just because its their "right" to me is not correct thinking.

I think people should work for what they need, whatever it takes, be it through a job, through creating/building something yourself, trading with other people, whatever.

People have done this for hundreds of years by learning what it takes to survive, turning off this "need" to survive is asking for trouble, develops different character and mentality that depends.

As for income and taxation i think taxation should be based on consumption, not have a scaling income tax, I'm personally sick and tired of busting my

ass every week plus overtime to get 40+% about $80-150 of my check removed for taxes.

I think if people had all their money in their hands they spend 40+ hours a week for they would no doubt most likely put it back

into the economy based on what they need and want.

I could easily pay off a my debts with an extra $80-150, that money they take away from me is my right, my money, not theirs, i worked for it, not them.

Government should have never bailed the banks and some big corporations out, that money is the taxpayers money, they should have let the companies

and the banks figure out for themselves what to do, think on their own, failure is not a bad thing, if your paying attention it will teach you what, and where

you went wrong, if you learn from it and change your method, you be more successful, thats a given with anything.

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This is socialism. If you don't do anything to support society then society shouldn't be supporting you. It's fairly simple. Some jobs pay more because their value to society is greater. If you want to be an artist you do so with the knowledge that you might not make much money doing that. If you're good enough you'll add to society, and your reward will be that someone will buy your work.

Strive to teach marketable skills instead of just giving out free money, because in the end 'free money' is just money that's been stolen by government.

Exactly, it's immoral! It's called THEFT and it's NOT a right!

How about just getting rid of government and taxation and other stupid regulations/rules which are also immoral and actually created this poverty in the first place?

Stop being afraid! Stop begging government to force your will on others!

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Stop begging government to force your will on others!

The irony is strong in this one.

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Exactly, it's immoral! It's called THEFT and it's NOT a right!

How about just getting rid of government and taxation and other stupid regulations/rules which are also immoral and actually created this poverty in the first place?

Stop being afraid! Stop begging government to force your will on others!

Very true - many people think that money would just appear as if by magic - the wealth has to be created somewhere by someone that works hard. If the government are going to take away what they have earned and distribute it to someone else who doesn't even bother to get out of bed before lunchtime, why would anyone bother to work at all? The wealthy would simply leave that country and the system would collapse. Typical muddle-headed left wing thinking that assumes the money in government coffers simply rolls off a printing press. Someone will always have more money than you, life isn't fair, get used to it.

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Very true - many people think that money would just appear as if by magic - the wealth has to be created somewhere by someone that works hard. If the government are going to take away what they have earned and distribute it to someone else who doesn't even bother to get out of bed before lunchtime, why would anyone bother to work at all? The wealthy would simply leave that country and the system would collapse. Typical muddle-headed left wing thinking that assumes the money in government coffers simply rolls off a printing press. Someone will always have more money than you, life isn't fair, get used to it.

Trouble just is as time progresses, more and more jobs will simply disappear because they will be outsourced to technology. There are factories running today with two workers that in the 70s had hundreds.

"Work" as it is today will soon be an obsolete state of existence for a majority of the population in the west, and progressively in the rest of the world as the standard of living comes up.

Also, money -does- come off the printing press. Or do you think when they put the bailouts together in the US and Europe they just had the money laying around somewhere? That's the liberty of governments, as long as there is somebody to buy state backed bonds, you can print money at liberty.

Also, you cannot teach marketable skills because anything that can be taught is by definition already catering to a saturated market. To earn money in a significant fashion and create large amounts of value you need to open new markets with new Ideas. Nobody has gotten rich catering to saturated markets, there you can do sustenance work, if even that. Also, the problem with people accumulating wealth is that any money lying on a bank somewhere without doing work is wasted.

What prevents people from working isn't laziness. Basic income would not make people stop working, unless they are pathologically lazy.

What prevents people from working is being told all the time that their work is worth less, that they are drains on society and that they are being suggested that they are useless, worthless, and better off not existing. At some point, people stop trying. Everybody has a basic desire to realize something and to be productive, it is innate. But society works hard to beat it out of the people by means of witchhunts on "Welfare parasites" and trying to shame people into work, rather than trying to help them find a suitable niche where they can work to their fullest potential. This starts in school, which in my opinion (at least in germany) is nothing but a large apparatus to beat curiosity and flexibility out of people, where they are told that their worth is only determined by numbers at the bottom of their sheet and the size of their bank accounts.

I have a hot hatred for the competetive and destructive nature of capitalism, not because I think it is unnatural, it is in fact quite the opposite. Capitalism is essentially just a form of financial darwinist evolution, where those who adapt best to the market survive, and the rest get eaten. Such a system cannot be "humane" or compassionate, because compassion and altruism are extremely easily exploited by parasites and predators. Instead, you have constant combat (even though it is generally euphemised to competition in the real world) between every single participant in the marketplace, because I think the economic and job markets cannot be parted from one another.

In such a system, a large amount of people will inevitably end up under the wheels. Still, pro-capitalists will argue that this is a good thing because it obviously shows so much progress. In fact, and I acknowledge this, this is true. But we didn't invent this system, we always possessed it, because it is innate in nature. It is mathematical, it is basic. And it isn't worthy of our brains, if we cannot part ourselves from the heartless cruelty that is innate in this system. Assuming immediately that everybody who does not work is lazy and a parasite that should be forcibly deprived of every bit of worth and value in life until they "man up and start working" is a literal death sentence for many.

For example, I am suffering from a psychological condition that has prevented me from working in any significant degree for the past years. I have been sustained because of my country's welfare system and health system, I have been to hospitals, I have started a rehab program, and this coming month I will start to work properly again. All through these times, I have received what liberals would call "handouts", without which I would've been unable to pretty much even keep a roof over my head. So, where do you draw the line? Because, especially with psych disorders, it is very difficult to differentiate between somebody who can and can't work in many cases, and you have to trust the person and the observations of their doctor. With a general income as part of the spectrum of human rights, this would not be a question. People would have the time and money left, always, to get their ship in order when hard times hit them in health and family. You remove financial pressure, and I -bet- that health costs would come down immediately because you remove a massive psychological burden.

In fact, many people who are rich likely aren't working so hard because they like being rich or like working, but because they are deathly scared of not having any money and loosing the respect of their peers.

tl;dr the system we have is about shaming people into work, no matter their circumstances, and a basic income would help remove a lot of pressures on people in tight circumstances and in general should be welcomed because humans are about beating nature, not running with it. If we wanted to run with nature, we could do away with our brains again and return to the grasslands.

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The irony is strong in this one.

How so? Show me the quote (or audio/video footage) where I ask government to do something for me... please...

I have a hot hatred for the competetive and destructive nature of capitalism, not because I think it is unnatural, it is in fact quite the opposite. Capitalism is essentially just a form of financial darwinist evolution, where those who adapt best to the market survive, and the rest get eaten. Such a system cannot be "humane" or compassionate, because compassion and altruism are extremely easily exploited by parasites and predators. Instead, you have constant combat (even though it is generally euphemised to competition in the real world) between every single participant in the marketplace, because I think the economic and job markets cannot be parted from one another.

You mean those predators ie genetic and secondary psychopaths in GOVERNMENT who exploit this compassion and altruism to justify a totalitarian immoral system based on theft and slavery? Did you know that "capitalist" bankers actually invented and support socialism? Why do big evil corporations get in bed with government and not with other corporations? Because only government has a monopoly on violence and can enforce their wili ie steal the wealth of the people...

Some proper definitions of socialism and why it's so dangerous:

"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs. Communism or, more accurately, socialism is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite." -Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy, 1971

"Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well." -George Bernard Shaw, Fabian Socialist and Sociopath

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BTW, I am german and our current socialist system is utterly disgusting! Germans have learned NOTHING from history and they deserve the consequences...

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"Work" as it is today will soon be an obsolete

Not really, people just work at different things. There will always be work of some kind. Sounds to me like you are trying to change the world to fit your own circumstances.

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How so?

Every time you vote you are essentially telling them to force your will on others.

I find it interesting how everyone just takes money for granted, like god 100 years ago, everyone just assumes it's right and proper, ignoring the fact that in reality it is just paper. It is the game we play that gives it power. I also find it sad how we all think we have the right own parts of this world and sell it to each other, this is the highest form of theft, taking something that you did not create and claiming it as their own work. Earth, planet of thieves!

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Not really, people just work at different things. There will always be work of some kind. Sounds to me like you are trying to change the world to fit your own circumstances.

Probably true for the foreseeable future but but what about the 7 billion 40+ Hour jobs that will pay enough to support a families in the future? The shift has been more than apparent for some time and we will face the '' machine takeover'' soon enough.

I can't make up my mind about this whole thing yet though but I have a feeling that greed would have to be overcome first, before basic income right, or we may have to learn the hard way ( again )

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Every time you vote you are essentially telling them to force your will on others.

I find it interesting how everyone just takes money for granted, like god 100 years ago, everyone just assumes it's right and proper, ignoring the fact that in reality it is just paper. It is the game we play that gives it power. I also find it sad how we all think we have the right own parts of this world and sell it to each other, this is the highest form of theft, taking something that you did not create and claiming it as their own work. Earth, planet of thieves!

Wait but how do YOU know whether or not I do actually go out and vote?!

I'm what's called a "voluntarist" or "anarcho-capitalist", so obviously I don't vote... voting is immoral since it gives consent to government violence/coercion.

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How so? Show me the quote (or audio/video footage) where I ask government to do something for me... please...

You mean those predators ie genetic and secondary psychopaths in GOVERNMENT who exploit this compassion and altruism to justify a totalitarian immoral system based on theft and slavery? Did you know that "capitalist" bankers actually invented and support socialism? Why do big evil corporations get in bed with government and not with other corporations? Because only government has a monopoly on violence and can enforce their wili ie steal the wealth of the people...

Some proper definitions of socialism and why it's so dangerous:

"If one understands that socialism is not a share-the-wealth programme, but is in reality a method to consolidate and control the wealth, then the seeming paradox of super-rich men promoting socialism becomes no paradox at all. Instead, it becomes logical, even the perfect tool of power-seeking megalomaniacs. Communism or, more accurately, socialism is not a movement of the downtrodden masses, but of the economic elite." -Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy, 1971

"Under Socialism, you would not be allowed to be poor. You would be forcibly fed, clothed, lodged, taught, and employed whether you liked it or not. If it were discovered that you had not character and industry enough to be worth all this trouble, you might possibly be executed in a kindly manner; but whilst you were permitted to live, you would have to live well." -George Bernard Shaw, Fabian Socialist and Sociopath

BTW, I am german and our current socialist system is utterly disgusting! Germans have learned NOTHING from history and they deserve the consequences...

By percentages I would assume the percentage of sociopaths or psychopaths in government and in business is about the same, so the mass of these people will be in larger society, not politics simply because the political class is relatively small. And the question of invention of "socialism" isn't one I am in a place to answer, but in general it would be natural for entities of power (which banks are, in fact they sit at the source of power distribution.) to try and reinforce their positions of power.

I am not arguing in favor of communism and socialism, or any of their offspring, and I am also opposed to any idea related to anarchism. These experiments have been done and they have failed in terrifying fashion, with an unbelievable toll in life and livelihood to the point where you can hardly find a family anywhere on the planet left unaffected by these calamities in one way or the other.

I believe if you completely unleash the market, and remove government control, the market will be taken over by the people who can play the system (I am not using the word psycho- or sociopath because that's a completely arbitrary term in this regard. On the count that matters, survival and economical and memetic success, they will be on top.). Everybody who is not able to conform to the evolutionary pressures and perform in the marketplace with those people, whatever form it may take, will loose unless the broad majority of non predators is provided with a lever to control these elements that are undesireable from their perspective.

That is why government needs accountability and why the marketplace needs accountability.

Also, big evil companies lobby with the government because A: lobbying with each other is illegal since it creates monopolies (this only delays their development, especially in markets that are high in demand with few avenues of penetration.) and B: The government is the one who can by pressing magic buttons give your company tremendous advantages. The trouble starts when government has to go to companies to do things. One such example where a thing akin to this took place is Guatemala in the 50s, one of the most shameful chapters in the history of the free world.

I do not like systems that measure the wealth of a society in anything but human happiness, progress and curiosity. I believe there is something such as Utopia, at least as an abstract (much like the concepts of infinity and pi), and while it is by definition an unreachable state of perfection, striving to accept mediocrity clearly resulting in human suffering is not cutting it for me.

I also realize that these problems are more complex than people can put into words easily. In fact, even experts do not have the full picture, because many features of the world are so disconnected from each other that despite their interrelationships we cannot enumerate these things sufficiently to paint a whole picture. Only afterwards do we know that whatever we did was good or bad because of X, Y or Z (if we have records unblemished by propaganda, which we as citizens cannot ever have unless we are first hand witnesses, and then without training in recording you will likely reflect the event in a fashion that colors it in some way for everyone who listens.), and that's not really good enough.

Strictly speaking I oppose free capitalism and enforced socialistic or even communistic Ideas as inhumane. It's been 100 years, I think we need to come up with something new that takes humans out of the equation, and replaces suffering with simulation, and artificial wealth in the shape of numbers on paper or data memory with real wealth in knowledge, material achievement and prospects of a better future for all mankind whatever form it may take.

Even if that means wiping out the physical, biological machine that currently produce our minds and replacing them with something else more readily capable of coping with a Universe that is trying to kill us at every turn.

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I am not arguing in favor of communism and socialism, or any of their offspring, and I am also opposed to any idea related to anarchism. These experiments have been done and they have failed in terrifying fashion, with an unbelievable toll in life and livelihood to the point where you can hardly find a family anywhere on the planet left unaffected by these calamities in one way or the other.

Government is still the no.1 cause of non-natural death in the world, they murdered 260 million legally disarmed civilians in 100 years. It's also called democide, look it up. Anarchism is merely the absence of government, so anarchy itself can't mass murder anyone.

I believe if you completely unleash the market, and remove government control, the market will be taken over by the people who can play the system (I am not using the word psycho- or sociopath because that's a completely arbitrary term in this regard. On the count that matters, survival and economical and memetic success, they will be on top.). Everybody who is not able to conform to the evolutionary pressures and perform in the marketplace with those people, whatever form it may take, will loose unless the broad majority of non predators is provided with a lever to control these elements that are undesireable from their perspective.

Psychopathy is now well studied and we know that only ~1% or less of humans are born with this genetic (brain) condition which can't be cured. And we know that the rest of are born with empathy ie objective morality (Natural Law).

ONLY a psychopath would even think about stealing and murdering etc... it's the root cause of all evil in the world, that's a fact... the only problem is that psychopathy is also a disease and their sick world view can be programmed/brainwashed (demoralization) to turn normal moral people into fearful secondary psychopaths (R-complex driven) who emulate their immoral world view and beg for more external government control, and this actually created all the problems of war, poverty, slavery and mass murder etc.

Psychopaths always get to the top, get control of or create a government, brainwash the masses to infect them with their psychopathy, and then unleash their lust for power and control, that's the sad reality and history of humanity because until now we didn't even know that psychopathy existed!

The common logical fallacy of statists is this utter non-sense: "people are bad so we need a government made up of people" .... think about it... government is the ONLY institution to give psychopaths ie bad people their ultimate tool for control and mass murder... no matter how big McDonalds or Microsoft could get without government, they'd still lack a standing army, police forces and most of all they'd lack the illusion of "authority", they would get NO support from the people if they'd harm anyone.

In a free society without government the population would be armed as whole (militia) and resist any corporate wrong doing... but then again, companies or large corporations would never ever be able to raise an army the same way government can do now and justify a police state or wars of aggression etc... it's impossible...

Your fears are based on logical fallacies and non-sense because corporations have no force/control or authority, they're toothless tigers withot government, and even worse, you're actually advocating what you fear the most...

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Governments ARE corporations... that's why communism IS in fact corporatism ie collectivism.

Strictly speaking I oppose free capitalism and enforced socialistic or even communistic Ideas as inhumane.

At least you got that right... and now you have to realize and accept the fact that EVERY form of taxation or victimless "crimes" are immoral, period! Government is immoral!

I have no problem with an elected "sheriff" per county/community who keeps the peace and investigates real crimes with an actual injured party... but centralized government and police forces with a monpoly on violence are immoral and inhumane no matter what!

You can never magically turn a wrong into a right... it's impossible and it violates Natural Law.

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Government is still the no.1 cause of non-natural death in the world, they murdered 260 million legally disarmed civilians in 100 years. It's also called democide, look it up.

Good article about it here on infowars, many 'conspiracy theorists' believe that the next democide will occur after gun controls are successfully introduced, it's fascinating really lol:

http://www.infowars.com/democide-government-killed-over-260-million-in-the-20th-century-poised-to-kill-billions-more-in-the-21st/

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Good article about it here on infowars, many 'conspiracy theorists' believe that the next democide will occur after gun controls are successfully introduced, it's fascinating really lol:

http://www.infowars.com/democide-government-killed-over-260-million-in-the-20th-century-poised-to-kill-billions-more-in-the-21st/

Yes it will. If america is disarmed, the whole world will fall into darkness... The NWO is real and it never was a "secret", the NWO is nothing but world-socialism...

Former KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov also referred to it as the "world communist conspiracy" back in the 80s, which is achieved via brainwashing ie "demoralization" (cultural marxism) which turns people into fearful R-complex driven sociopaths who demand external big government control to make them feel "safe" or "equal" etc...

The full interview and another full length lecture are also on YT.

Why is a NWO real or even possible?

"The psychopath is an intraspecies predator [...] In general, psychopaths are glib and charming, and they use these attributes to manipulate others into trusting and believing in them. This may lead to people giving them money, voting them into office [...] Many psychopaths have little difficulty joining the ranks of business, politics, law enforcement, government, and academia. They exist in all lines of work..."

http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/law-enforcement-bulletin/july-2012/psychopathy-an-important-forensic-concept-for-the-21st-century

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