There should be multiple jets in the release version

[spanishsurfer 58]

I don't think you grasp the concept of Air Superiority, Jets fighting other jets to secure the air for bombers and CAS planes is a vital part of combined arms this is even more true when you get into a scenario like the ones MSO can offer.

What rohan is saying. The jet fighting does not happen very often, when it does it only lasts a few minutes. The winner of that battle can put a lot of hurt on the opposing team, all the way down to boots on the ground.

[Tankbuster 1733]

I don't think you grasp the concept of Air Superiority, Jets fighting other jets to secure the air for bombers and CAS planes is a vital part of combined arms this is even more true when you get into a scenario like the ones MSO can offer.

Nato says it is

That degree of dominance in the air battle of one force over another which permits the conduct of operations by the former and its related land, sea and air forces at a given time and place without prohibitive interference by the opposing force

You use more than just offensive aircraft to do this. You use ground based anti air assets, you use special forces, you use supply chain denial, you attack and deny the enemy use of it's air assets before they ever get airborne. It's about so much more than jets fighting jets.

[cpl_hicks 2]

Fact remains there have been many successful A2 battles fought both PVP, human versus AI and CTI, on servers where it all worked out pretty darn smooth in terms of one aspect not ruining the other with CAP vs CAP while infantry vs infantry etc, I know because I have experienced them.

None of us arma fixed wing fanatics want just air assets to be the focus we just want all or as many different elements thrown in for the mission makers to sort out at least its not like it hasn't been done before.

Heck I am even sad that there is still no indication of a bicycle as of yet.

[celery 8]

You use more than just offensive aircraft to do this. You use ground based anti air assets, you use special forces, you use supply chain denial, you attack and deny the enemy use of it's air assets before they ever get airborne. It's about so much more than jets fighting jets.

That's the case in superpower vs. developing country scenarios. It's just so common nowadays that an asymmetric setting and its implications are accepted as the universal truth.

[RushHour 11]

That's the case in superpower vs. developing country scenarios.

That´s the only case. So in that case it is the new standard. But in games it´s different.

Nukes remember. No country dare invade a country which has nukes because it will literally sign the end of the world as we know it today.

You´ll have nuclear winters all over earth so even if you erase a country you´ll have massive problems too.

So the only way war can be done these days is as you say, super power vs developing country, or two developing countries going at it.

[trent 14]

Seems a shame to waste the volumetric clouds.

[celery 8]

That´s the only case. So in that case it is the new standard. But in games it´s different.

Nukes remember. No country dare invade a country which has nukes because it will literally sign the end of the world as we know it today.

You´ll have nuclear winters all over earth so even if you erase a country you´ll have massive problems too.

So the only way war can be done these days is as you say, super power vs developing country, or two developing countries going at it.

Arma 3's setting is a symmetrical clash between Western and Eastern superpowers. Whatever you say about the setting's plausibility is irrelevant because that's how it is in the game: symmetrical. Therefore, logic dictates that rules of symmetrical warfare apply.

[RushHour 11]

Arma 3's setting is a symmetrical clash between Western and Eastern superpowers. Whatever you say about the setting's plausibility is irrelevant because that's how it is in the game: symmetrical. Therefore, logic dictates that rules of symmetrical warfare apply.

As i said, in games it´s different.

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Have we heard anything about a proper system for leaving the jet while taking a hit or losing control over the plane?

How sweet would that be to be rocketed out of the plane,

I´ve lost the proper word for it completely but hopefully it´s understandable.

[Tankbuster 1733]

I´ve lost the proper word for it completely but hopefully it´s understandable.

http://www.martin-baker.com/

[RushHour 11]

Thanks, ejection seats was the word.

That would be sweet.

[Matt@RS 10]

Dont worry, i got lots n lots of jets in development https://www.youtube.com/user/kazmatt1

[RushHour 11]

Saw your commercial planes, huge!

Perfect for life mods :)

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

Let me clear this up, as of right now, there are going to be 2 jets. The L-159 ALCA for Gfor and Opfor, and the F-35 for Bluefor. Don't complain, even though the full game is being released soon, doesn't mean that's make all end all content. They stated that its possible to have content released later down the road, just like in previous games they've had. Appreciate what is now.

[odie0351 67]

Let me clear this up, as of right now, there are going to be 2 jets. The L-159 ALCA for Gfor and Opfor, and the F-35 for Bluefor. Don't complain, even though the full game is being released soon, doesn't mean that's make all end all content. They stated that its possible to have content released later down the road, just like in previous games they've had. Appreciate what is now.

Have to ask where your getting this information, cause if your going off old screenshots as of earlier this month BIS released the vehicle list and the F-35 or F-38 as they refer to it isn't there. Also don't think CSAT is getting the ALCA anymore either, kinda like how they have the merkava/slammer tank in CSAT camo in some old screenshots. they have since said that two additional CAS aircraft will be added but haven't mention the types. if your working off some new official info though please share

Edited August 25, 2013 by Odie0351

[BadHabitz 235]

The L-159 ALCA for Gfor and Opfor, and the F-35 for Bluefor.

Where do you get this from?

[mistyronin 1181]

Anyway, the USAF is changing some of their wings from F16 to drones, what means that in the future probably all CAS will be provided by drones, and the human pilots will only fly on Air superiority missions ( to intercept enemies and drones ), and for transport planes.

[chortles 263]

DnA has since said that the F-35 was only meant as a placeholder.

[RushHour 11]

Thank god for that... F-35 has an identity crisis and even if it came i would be about ten times more excited about the ALCA.

[[evo] dan 79]

Anyway, the USAF is changing some of their wings from F16 to drones, what means that in the future probably all CAS will be provided by drones, and the human pilots will only fly on Air superiority missions ( to intercept enemies and drones ), and for transport planes.

Thats to use them as target drones as they have just run out of F4's to use and the F35 will be replacing them.

[nimrod123 11]

Dan;2478370']Thats to use them as target drones as they have just run out of F4's to use and the F35 will be replacing them.

the F35 thats probally not going to be able to replace a squadron per year (16 per year are made, at the absolute best) and the pentagon wants to stop the program before they become more exppensive then they already are (only a couple of hundred billion over budget)

[mistyronin 1181]

Dan;2478370']Thats to use them as target drones as they have just run out of F4's to use and the F35 will be replacing them.

Uhm no' date=' as a combat Wings ( they have been send to Irak already ).

In fact even the F35 project may be cancelled.

[nimrod123 11]

Uhm no, as a combat Wings ( they have been send to Irak already ).

In fact even the F35 project may be cancelled.

it won't be canceled, to many senior politicans pay for their holidays with the bribes... i meant the "lobbying" that goes with the project

[Tankbuster 1733]

If it is cancelled, going on past experience, it's bound to appear in Arma 3 :)

[RushHour 11]

it won't be canceled, to many senior politicans pay for their holidays with the bribes... i meant the "lobbying" that goes with the project

Who´s going to buy it? :)

Many of the countries that first decided to buy seems to backtrack.

Then you have the various factions of the US Military who probably won´t buy as many as they first said.

[nimrod123 11]

Who´s going to buy it? :)

Many of the countries that first decided to buy seems to backtrack.

Then you have the various factions of the US Military who probably won´t buy as many as they first said.

and?

who cares if it makes money, the contractor has lobbyists, and the pentagon is controlled by the government at the end of the day, this wouldn't be the first program they demand to be kept going for some reason.

normally they quote jobs as being very important

most of the nations looking at buying it, arn't actually suited to its role. most would be better off buying russian or euro multi roles instead of the f35. this was actually highligted by the austrilians recently, due to the problem that the F35 is realitively short ranged. they suggested buying the licence to make su35's for about a third of the price, so you get good coverage, longer range, and a generally better plane