Comanche missiles power

[Wiki 1558]

Hi guys.

Dunno if it's the same for you, but I DO feel that AT missiles of the Comanche are not powerful enough.

I used them on Ifrit, but it didn't destroy the vehicle, only disabled it.

Is it just me or do you experience the same thing?

I think theyr should be more powerful, just like the Hellfires.

[ArgusNastyCrab 1]

give them a 30% power boost combined with a 20% increase in manacost and a 5% decrease in refresh time....

They have a smaller warhead than those Hellfires you talk about. They are semi actively laser guided so they might appear to be missiles but they are in fact the same as the rockets you saw in ARMA 2. I'm sure they will release a version of the RA99 with proper AT missiles later. Everything is based on real life statistics and science, there is not such a thing as boosting damage in the arma series.

[Qosmius 10]

it is not powerful enough when it can disable any vehicle the game has to offer so far?

[Wiki 1558]

well, at first I thought maybe it can't destroy a tank, but a car?

come on!

it just that I thought it was an AT missile just like the hellfire - it seems it's not.

[ArgusNastyCrab 1]

well, at first I thought maybe it can't destroy a tank, but a car?

come on!

it just that I thought it was an AT missile just like the hellfire - it seems it's not.

No like I said in my first post, they are rockets with an added bonus of being guidable with SALH (Semi Active Laser Homing)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Attack_Guided_Rocket

[Wiki 1558]

yeah, I got what you said.

I was just answering Qosimus.

[twistking 204]

i guess it is a realistic expectation that we'll see another commanche version with more of a punch.

please see the ticket in my signature if you are interested in more realistic helicopter fcs.

[gossamersolid 155]

Is it me, or are the missiles on the Commanche not AT, but AA?

Or am I crazy.

[runekn 3]

Is it me, or are the missiles on the Commanche not AT, but AA?

Or am I crazy.

It got both Air-to-Air (ASRAAM) and Air-to-Ground (DAGR)

[roberthammer 582]

Comanche needs a variant with Stub wings armed with some Hellfire like missiles -to be comparable with Mi48

http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=10809

[Mattar_Tharkari 10]

It's already been said that there is another model with a longbow radar dome for final release - maybe that will have hellfires, radar guided?

[max power 21]

I think that at least currently IRL, DAGR only uses the 17 lbs HEDP warhead, which would explain its lack of power vs. armour.

[Killbert 0]

I was testing choppers today, and came to opposite conclusion. DAGR seems too powerfull, or there are too many of them. Those things one shot destroys the APCs, and there are 24 or them. Is that a mistake? Looked up DAGR, and those things appears to be quite big...

[max power 21]

According some calculations (yes, I did make calculations :man3: ) I made to help fill in the blanks of information on explosives for helping to make mods, an HEDP round with a diameter of 70mm should penetrate around 100mm of armour. The function I made is a dimensionless spaghetti equation that seems to spit out numbers that conform to the odd bit of 'published' rha penetration numbers.

[kylania 567]

When will the DAGR be laser guided? Or is that functionality not in beta yet?

DAGR has proven itself in over 30 successful guided flights, launched from such rotary-wing platforms as the AH-64D Apache, AH-6 Little Bird and OH-58 Kiowa Warrior. And every DAGR target strike has hit within 1 meter of the laser-designated aimpoint.

From here.

Certainly not the DAGR I've been shooting. :)

[max power 21]

If you tab lock with the dagr, and then steer the helicopter so it's more or less pointing at the target, it will home in on the target. I noticed it's quite finicky in the beta.

[roberthammer 582]

This is the DAGR in the game

http://oi42.tinypic.com/fvvi8l.jpg

It does look like our DAGR - lets compare the configs of A3 Dagr with A2 Hellfire

//A3 DAGR
   class M_PG_AT: MissileBase
   {
       model = "\A3\Weapons_F\Ammo\Rocket_01_fly_F";
       proxyShape = "\A3\Weapons_F\Ammo\Rocket_01_F";
       hit = 800;
       indirectHit = 20;
       indirectHitRange = 5;
       cost = 500;
       maxSpeed = 720;
       irLock = 1;
       laserLock = 1;
       airLock = 0;
       maxControlRange = 5000;
       trackOversteer = 1;
       trackLead = 1;
       maneuvrability = 7;
       timeToLive = 20;
       simulationStep = 0.01;
       airFriction = 0.1;
       sideAirFriction = 0.1;
       initTime = 0.002;
       thrustTime = 1.07;
       thrust = 530;
       fuseDistance = 5;
       effectsMissileInit = "MissileDAR1";
       effectsMissile = "missile2";
       whistleDist = 4;
       muzzleEffect = "";
       weaponLockSystem = "2 + 16";
   };

// A2 Hellfire

   class M_Hellfire_AT  : MissileBase {
       model = "\ca\weapons\Hellfire";
       proxyShape = "\ca\weapons\Hellfire_proxy";
       hit = 800;
       indirectHit = 20;
       indirectHitRange = 2;
       cost = 10000;
       maxSpeed = 425;
       irLock = 1;
       laserLock = 1;
       maxControlRange = 8000;
       trackOversteer = 1;
       trackLead = 1;
       maneuvrability = 9;
       timeToLive = 20;
       simulationStep = 0.010000;
       sideAirFriction = 0.200000;
       initTime = 0.000000;
       thrustTime = 3.250000;
       thrust = 130;
       fuseDistance = 5;
       effectsMissile = "missile2";
       whistleDist = 4;
   };

It seems DAGR has the power of Hellfire :eek:

Which makes me wonder how the 70mm rocket can be so strong and powerful

In other hand - the opfor mi48 missile does hit = 1400; , so maybe arma 3 armour got step up than arma2 but still it is based on old HP system

Edited July 3, 2013 by RobertHammer

[max power 21]

That just looks like a regular hydra rocket :/

The DAGR looks like this: http://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/lockheed/us/products/DAGR/_jcr_content/product_image.img.jpg/1329429706138.jpg

[yasotay 197]

Dagger while a 70mm missile it is very different than the old Mk.66 Hydra that would hit the earth 9/10 times. It has lock on before launch and lock on after launch capability. The seeker head has a limited gimble range so if the laser spot on the target is significantly off boresight or outside of that gimble limit the missile will not track. The APKWS which is a lock on after launch only missile is even worse. Still the USMC has been using the APKWS to good effect downrange. So i would think accuracy of the Dagger might be best predicated on the target to boresight angle for Ph.

[twistking 204]

post your suggestions for improving everything helicopter combat related here:

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?158384-The-community-s-definite-suggestion-for-better-heli-immersion-and-guided-weapon-FCS