A tragedy :(

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i don't know what it says but ...... LOL<span id='postcolor'>

It says something like:

Arafat gets bashed from Barak's brothers in arms: "Arafat is a manical liar"

Miracle in Jerusalem:  The Wailing Wall begins to cry.

...or something similar

[ran 0]

you seem to know russian well , i got a question :

what does it signify ?

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6--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 27 2002,226)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you seem to know russian well , i got a question :

what does it signify ?<span id='postcolor'>

I know russian very little, but this was an easy one:

Voyeny Internet Magazin = Military Internet Magazine

[ran 0]

thx a lot

[ran 0]

look at the people's lack of reaction .... damn

[Ruud van Nistelrooy 0]

doesn't look like it killed 70 odd people, looks like it crashed in the middle of a field with no one in the direct vicinity haven't seen the video cos i don't wanna register with cnn

[Longinius 1]

Just saw it on TV. They had to bring in some 50 ambulances, helicopters and so on to take care of the wounded. It seems to slam down on/near the runway first then racing across the area spraying burning fuel all over the place. Real nasty.

Reminds me of the Swedish JAS crash a couple of years ago. Luckily noone died that time.

"President Leonid Kutjma avskedar med anledning av lördagens olycka flygvapenchefen Viktor Strelnikov, rapporterar Interfax."

- Expressen

Translation, the president has fired the commander of the airforce. Ooops, someone got mad. 9 of the dead were children.

Found something else that was interesting. In swedish, with translation:

1952: Brittiskt jetplan plöjer in bland ĺskĺdarna i Farnborough och 65 dödas. Efter en kort paus fortsätter programmet.

"British jet crashes and kills 65 onlookers in Farnborough. Show continues after brief break."

1965: Vid flygmässan pĺ Le Bourget nära Paris störtar prototypen för det italienska stridsflygplanet Fiat G-91 pĺ en parkeringsplats. Nio människor dödas och 50 bilar förstörs.

"A Fiat G-91 fighter crash at the Le Bourget airfair(?) near Paris. Nine people dead, 50 cars destroyed."

1972: Ett jetplan som skall delta i en uppvisning i kaliforniska Sacramento störtar pĺ en glasskiosk. 22 människor omkommer, tio av dem barn.

"A jet supposed to take part in a Californian airshow crashes on an icecream stand. 22 people killed, 10 of them kids."

1973: Ett sovjetiskt överljudsplan av typ Tu 144 exploderar när det förevisas vid en mässa i Paris. Fjorton döda.

"A Soviet Tu 144 explodes on an airshow near Paris. 14 dead"

1982: Vid en uppvisning i Bad Dürkheim i Tyskland störtar ett amerikanskt biplan och dödar fem ĺskĺdare.

"An American biplane crashes at an airshow in Bad Durkheim in German, killing 5."

1982: Alla 46 ombord omkommer när en amerikansk militärhelikopter störtar pĺ motorvägen Mannheim-Heidelberg.

"All 46 onboard an American helicopter die as it crashes on a freeway between Mannheim-Heidelberg"

1983: Sex människor bränns ihjäl när ett kanadensiskt jetplan störtar pĺ deras bil vid en flyguppvisning i Frankfurt.

"Six people burnt to death as a Canadian jet crash on their car on an airshow at Frankfurt."

1988: Tre italienska jetplan kör i varandra över Ramstein i Västtyskland och störtar över ĺskĺdarna, av vilka 67 dör tillsammans med de tre piloterna.

"Three italian jets crash in midair at an airshow at Ramstein. The planes crash on the crowd below, killing 67 and the three pilots."

1989: Ett Jaguar-plan störtar i ett bostadsomrĺde vid en uppvisning i Guayaquil i Ecuador. Tio människor dödas.

"A Jaguar plane crashes in a residential area at Guayaquil in Equador. 10 people die."

1993: Sportflygplan störtar vid en uppvisning i ryska Ural och minst 18 personer omkommer.

"Small plane crashes at a show in russian Urals. Atleast 18 people die."

1997: Ett jordanskt biplan störtar vid en uppvisning i belgiska Ostende. Piloten och nio ĺskĺdare dödas.

"Jordanian biplan crashes at a show in Ostende. Pilote and 9 onlookers die."

2002: MInst 78 omkommer när ukrainskt jaktplan störtar bland ĺskĺdarna vid en uppvisning i Lviv.

"Atleast 78 people die as a Ukranian fighter crash among onlookers at a show in Lviv."

[Badgerboy 0]

If Airforces will perform so close to the crowd this sort of thing will happen. I know in that our airshows (UK), we are only allowed to fly in designated areas, including run-off areas incase something untoward happens. (ie flaming wreck flies into a hanger instead of the public).

I know for a fact the the Russians don't do this, as their pilots keep getting grounded for safety violations. (Shame, as it looks bloody good!

....and the Ukranian's are having a rather poor showing recently. Blowing a airliner out of the sky with a SAM, (Which incidently, did the CO of their AF get fired?), and then vapourising the public with avgas. If the CO survived the airliner incident, he sure as hell isn't going to get away with this!

[MDRZulu 0]

I see about 6 bodies on a picture from yahoo and one of them has no head and then I see some limbs it looks like, pretty nasty I didnt know they could show a picture like this.

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1973: Ett sovjetiskt överljudsplan av typ Tu 144 exploderar när det förevisas vid en mässa i Paris. Fjorton döda.

"A Soviet Tu 144 explodes on an airshow near Paris. 14 dead"<span id='postcolor'>

I believe that was the 'Concordski'. The French buzzed it with a jet, and forced it into a dive. A dive which drove the flight recorder so deep underground they had to get in JCB's to dig it out.

The French admitted that a '?spy plane?', had tried to get a closer look at the A/C in flight. Sadly at those speeds, the Tupolev was unable to recover from the dive.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MDRZulu @ July 27 2002,22:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I see about 6 bodies on a picture from yahoo and one of them has no head and then I see some limbs it looks like, pretty nasty I didnt know they could show a picture like this.<span id='postcolor'>

I can promise you that they don't show that kind of pictures in the Ukraine media.

One of the cardinal rules of media is to never show bodies of its own citizens. For instance on CNN they never showed any bodies after the WTC attack. European media did however (not much, but still they did).

[SKULLS_Viper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MDRZulu @ July 27 2002,22:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I see about 6 bodies on a picture from yahoo and one of them has no head and then I see some limbs it looks like, pretty nasty I didnt know they could show a picture like this.<span id='postcolor'>

Yea, your telling me.That was a sick picture.

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</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bn880 @ July 27 2002,20:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">

Oh..does anyone have a link to the footage? CNN wants me to subscribe..and I'll be damned if I do <span id='postcolor'>

From BBC.co.uk

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media...._vi.ram

"The jet came down in one of the busiest parts of the air show"

[Exodist 1]

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IT'S NOT RUSSIAN!!!!

IT"S UKRAINIAN !!!!

[Badgerboy 0]

Thats why we were talking about the commander of the UKRAINIAN Air Force!

Any about Russia thats mentioned is probably refering to the manufacturer of the SU27, although I'm not sure if the Ukraine were building them under license.

When I refered to Russian pilots, it was a generalisation of the old East Bloc, as they generally fly the same aircraft, and train out of the same book. In that respect it was to merely simplify matters.

[Hidden 0]

Not again.. not again.

[Col. Kurtz 0]

According to this mornings paper, the Su-27 Flanker clipped the wing of an Il-76 Cargo plane when in a low level manouvere and the plane lost control and crashed into the ground. The paper, normally soooo American loving, even admitted the Su-27 is a better plane than the F-15 Eagle in many areas. The Russians are thought to make the best ejection seats in the world. I saw on the news once an awsome ejection. It was the Paris Air Show and some mechanical faliure happened at really low level to the Mig-29 Fulcrum. The pilot bailed out about 50ft. from the ground and about 2 seconds before the plane fireballed and he survived. Maybe after this, they will plan low level manouvers more carefuly to lower the risk of things like this happening.

[Antichrist 0]

The only pilots' mistake was that they were pushing the plane too far. I watched the footage they only ejected after one wing of the plane was already scratching the ground so they could do nothing after that, they were pretty much upside down. And yes it was an Ukrainian plane

[Mister Frag 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ July 27 2002,13:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1973: Ett sovjetiskt överljudsplan av typ Tu 144 exploderar när det förevisas vid en mässa i Paris. Fjorton döda.

"A Soviet Tu 144 explodes on an airshow near Paris. 14 dead"<span id='postcolor'>

I believe that was the 'Concordski'. The French buzzed it with a jet, and forced it into a dive. A dive which drove the flight recorder so deep underground they had to get in JCB's to dig it out.

The French admitted that a '?spy plane?', had tried to get a closer look at the A/C in flight. Sadly at those speeds, the Tupolev was unable to recover from the dive.<span id='postcolor'>

If I recall correctly, the engines stalled as a result of the pilots' sudden dive to avoid the French Mirage you mentioned.

The Tupolev went into a steep dive while the crew attempted to restart the engines, and they then exceed the structural strength of the airframe when pulling out of the dive. The plane broke up in midair due to the excessive G-forces.

[ralphwiggum 6]

my ocndolences to ppl who were injured or died.

[Spetsnaz -PELOPES- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Badgerboy @ July 28 2002,02:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Thats why we were talking about the commander of the UKRAINIAN Air Force!

Any about Russia thats mentioned is probably refering to the manufacturer of the SU27, although I'm not sure if the Ukraine were building them under license.

When I refered to Russian pilots, it was a generalisation of the old East Bloc, as they generally fly the same aircraft, and train out of the same book. In that respect it was to merely simplify matters.<span id='postcolor'>

Ukraine never built Su-27 under license, only China and India build Sukhois fighters under license, China the Su-27 and India the Su-30MKI ...

[Blaegis 0]

I'm definitely no expert in this, but based on the evidence so far one/both engines of the plane experienced a compressor stall at extremely low altitude with no opportunity for the pilots to recover from it. It's impossible to reach a definite conclusion, however, since we don't know how many flying hours did the pilots have recently or how well the plane was maintained. Regardless of what exactly caused the crash, it's horrible that so many civilian lives have been lost - I'm certain the majority could have been avoided with proper planning of low-level aerobatic maneuvres.

P.S. Voenny Internet Magazin means Military Internet Store or shop, not magazine

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

According to a danish newspaper:

The plane lost engine power during a difficult maneuver. The pilots tryed to optain control but ejected after clipping to trees and a parked airplane on the runway. The pilots succesfully ejected seconds before the plane burst into a fireball after gliding upsidedown in a couple of seconds.

Another danish media:

Onlookers could litterally see the tragic second for second, since the plane came with a relatively low speed and no engine power. Some people managed to duck splitseconds before the plain cut off limbs of the not so lucky lookers. That was seconds before the plane became a fireball.

At least 78 is dead from the incident, while 115 escaped with injuries.

[Satchel 0]

It´s a sad tragedy, aircraft are falling out of the sky like bricks.

Just a day after the catastrophe during the Lwiw flight show,  a second combat aircraft crashed in the Ukraine.

As reported by Itar-Tass under reference to the defense ministry in Kiew, a SU-25 crashed during a test flight, killing the pilot.  The crash happened at the military airport of Saporoschje, just after the machine had maintenance and repair.

Minister of Defense Schkidtschenko announced his resignation because of these incidents.

As i wasn´t enough with the crashes, in Moscow an Iljuschin Il-86 crashed today, killing 14 of the 16 passengers.

The eastern block builds some great planes, but if maintenance is bad and/or they are flown by inexperienced  insufficent trained pilots, such things happen.

[scout 0]

bad maintnance is the main problem, plus the fact that pilots get less and less flight hours.

it all sums to funds, and money is scarce there.

it wouldnt be the first cock up of the Ukranian armed forces.