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Communist crimes, regardless of which sort =/= guilt assigned to anyone else than Communism, i.e. the extreme left. It's about as tasteful as saying the Holocaust was the result of the left, as opposed to the extreme right.

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It's about as tasteful as saying the Holocaust was the result of the left, as opposed to the extreme right.

The Holocaust is a result of the policy of the National Socialist German Workers Party. Does that sound very conservative to you?

All this authoritarianism makes you sound slightly fascistic.

Phahaha,. Facism is also a leftwing breed. Check out the facts.

Yeah because for communists everything and everyone who isn't "progressiv"(means a fith column communist) is facism. What a great rhetoric categorization made by people who never ever read books about the things they wanna debate, just to make statements no one wants to hear. Hey why don't you fly over to broken britain and join the party before the cops arrest those punks and bring them back to their worthless parents?

See, people don't know anything about any topic they talk about as a result of government run schools but they are allowed to vote, to elect someone ruling not just their lives, but also those who didn't elected him. Its the modern plague, a mental version of a fast breeding sickness. As a result, we have a generation who doesn't know Shtuff about socialism or "progressivism", think that the would owns them something because they exist and see breaking shopwindow as a way to make a political statement about the death of an old neuropath.

"Yeah, lets picture Thatcher at the gallow and get wasted, isn't that fun." . Wonder how long does it takes them to burn books again and hang those reactionaries who don't agree with them. Who do you think they mean with "the rest" ?

In England children grew up to be unemployed in the third generation, they find no jobs anymore because industries like the car manufacturing companies were nationalized decades ago. But instead getting rid of their paralyzing buerocracy and start to produce things than just harry potter and football riots, they just demand more handouts. Plough yourself England, realy, plough yourself.

Hell, why i'am even angry about this.

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Phahaha,. Facism is also a leftwing breed. Check out the facts.

What a great rhetoric categorization made by people who never ever read books

I stopped reading here, when you read this thread over, you will understand why. You have offered nothing but reflexive twaddle, I understand why now.

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Minutemen: Lemme use my magic powers. I sense that you're one of the Tea Party guys, and that you know nothing of politics, or anything about Europe, and have quite possibly never spent a minute there.

For starters, being so incredibly ignorant as to extend your middle finger to anyone who posses any knowledge regarding political matters, and the victims of the Holocaust, is to be as dangerously ignorant as the Germans who voted the Nazis into power. That is what you do by denying that the Nazis were, and are far right. It is so incredibly ridiculous that a small bit of me and my belief in mankind actually died from reading it. Why would you even deny that the Nazis are far right? Do you identify yourself as being so far right that you are in danger of becoming associated with them if you don't convince people that the Nazis are Communists? I certainly don't think that's something you should fear, nor does anyone else with even remote traces of common sense.

Seriously, tell a Nazi he's really a Communist, and see how he responds to it. The fact that Hitler viewed all political parties that were to the left of the Nazi party as Communists and eternal enemies should indicate how silly it is to claim that the Nazis were Communists.

And the nationalisation of the car industry? Wtf, are you from Mars?

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Pfff... Yeah tell me how bad i'am.

Sometimes i fell myself like a corpsman going over a battlefield and there are wounded screaming around me. And that i have to decide wich one could still make it, to wich one i should give my attention. You ain't one of them.

"The National socialits are right wing"

This one is gone.

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It is estabilished today how instrumental it was the Deregulation of Financial markets for the 2008-? unfolding of the World Financial Crisis, it's real human tragedy consequences, social breakdown, and the huge question mark facing civilization today...

Given how adamant in advancing Deregulatory policies Tatcher was (see 1986 LSE BigBang)...

If these are indusputable facts as they are, i think it is safe to say that Tatcher's legacy makes it hard to nurture any kind of sympathy, even if she contributed to this mess only to a very initial extent, even at the time of another human's death. I don't trade my respect for humanity against her's. Let those be my last words on her subject.

OT: Don't waste your time with minutemen (or timekeepers for that matter). It's the "imor(t)als" we're after.

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Gamma: I hear you on that. If we ever have another Holocaust, the likes of him are relatively likely to be the ones who will rightfully be blamed for allowing it to happen, by completely clouding people's knowledge of history due to their historical and political revisionism.

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Gamma: I hear you on that. If we ever have another Holocaust, the likes of him are relatively likely to be the ones who will rightfully be blamed for allowing it to happen, by completely clouding people's knowledge of history due to their historical and political revisionism.

Indeed. But we have the liberty and rights to hear even the most offensive and deluded nonsense for a reason, hearing it explicitly helps defend against it.

I also agree with you Gamma, the "greed is good" and ill-advised overly simplified economic policy line that people like Reagan and Thatcher had did corrupt the discourse about regulations too. As much as they talk about giving people the ability to pursue their aspirations, the lack of regulation can have bad effects on small and start-up businesses in favour of the large and that now the pro-business line is claimed by Labour in the UK and the Democrats in the US. Hypocrisy like this are the inherent problems in this type of conservatism.

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Hi all

The thing that annoys me is that, in a time of mass national austerity, they are waisting £10 Million of tax payers money to pay for her funeral.

Taxpayers can 'well afford' to contribute to estimated £10m cost of Baroness Thatcher's funeral, says William Hague

Oliver Wright Wednesday 10 April 2013

British taxpayers can well “afford†to contribute to the estimated £10 million cost of Baroness Thatcher's funeral, the Foreign Secretary William Hague said this morning, as MPs and peers gathered to debate her legacy.

Both Houses of Parliament will meet this afternoon in special session to allow tributes to be paid to the former prime minister.

MPs that were abroad at the time of her death and wanted to attend will be able to claim up to £3,750 to reimburse the cost of flying back...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/taxpayers-can-well-afford-to-contribute-to--estimated-10m-cost-of-baroness-thatchers-funeral-says-william-hague-8567102.html

As Always follow the link to read the original text in full

The 10 Million would have been better spent on paying off a portion of the Trillions of pounds of Casino Bankers debts her changes to the law left us with.

Her Friends should have a whip round at the pub and buy her a bunch of flowers if they think she is so important to them, waisting tax payers money on a knees up for the elite is not really on.

Sadly walker

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Initial estimate was £7mln, it's now gone up to £10mln - I suspect in no small part due to the need for extra security arrangements now it's become very clear that some people can't keep their emotions in check.

I was never a fan of her leadership - she was in power from when I was a toddler 'til the start of my teens and at times her legacy made it a bit difficult in my transition to adulthood. However, I would have liked to have thought that we as a nation were more capable of acting with a greater sense of perspective on human life and death than to behave like this still, 20-30 years after she did... well, anything much besides grow old and senile.

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It is estabilished today how instrumental it was the Deregulation of Financial markets for the 2008-?

You don't know that the financial market is one of the mosts regulated markets at all. The 2008 Housing bubble was just possible, because the government forced Credit Institutes to loan Money to those, who couldn't afford it, to build houses. Ceck it out, American Dream Housing Act of the Bush Administration.

But its always popular to blame speculators and financial markets for things the politicians messed up.

The thing that annoys me is that, in a time of mass national austerity, they are waisting £10 Million of tax payers money to pay for her funeral.

This isn't even about Thatcher, this is a demonstration of power of the british government and its class system. They can afford anything, they can rob the taxpayer anytime who will pay for it. What should they do? They have no guns, no sense for liberty, they don't mind.

The 10 Million would have been better spent on paying off a portion of the Trillions of pounds of Casino Bankers debts her changes to the law left us with.

Phahaha, First rule of Money: You can't spend it, if you don't have it. But the british kept spending, demanded more union handouts and that was financed by debt. Don't blame her for the greed of others.

If someone demands money from the government, he demands money from his fellow taxpayers, and when the government can't afford it and need to loan the money by the evil big Casino Banks, they passing the burden of their greed to the next generation. They Euck their neighbours, they Euck their children, they Fuck themselfs. So talking about greed, better start with those who can't handle it.

the lack of regulation can have bad effects on small and start-up businesses in favour of the large and that now the pro-business

The opposit happens, because small businesses get a extra burden because of regulations. Yeah, just claim you would protect mom and pap stores.

I'am so tired of this. On one side people talking about Holocaust and shtuff but then they use the same campaigning rhetoric as the National Socialist. Why? Because no one reads anymore. Yeah, regulate yourself.

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Because no one reads anymore.

This is why I didn't want to respond to you before, you didn't seem to have noticed that the people you are talking to have been reading your views and gave you a healthy response. We had all taken the time to read your post and gave your opinions and yourself some respect. If you had read anybodies posts before; you wouldn't have been able to say this because it contradicts the very points that you, supposedly, responded with.

And will you please think about what you are saying when it comes to the Nazis. A lot of people died fighting against and being victims of Nazism and it is a disgrace to try and put your bias distortions on the history.

Calling socialists Trojan horse's or a fifth columnists for right-wing fascist and Nazi ideals is flat out in contradiction with the truth. British, French, German and other European socialists were the first people to fight the fascists and Nazis (in Spain) long before the European right-wing stopped courting Hitler and reluctantly acted. All the while the communists were literally deleting their left wing dissenters and ordering exiled politicians to have ice picks rammed through their skulls. Everyone knows this, it isn't even a debated subject any more. Read Zweites Buch or Mien Kampf and see what Hitler says about natural alliances with the European right wing (including the Tories), read The Revolution Betrayed and Fascism: What It Is and How to Fight It by Leon Trotsky and then read Isaac Deutscher's books on Trotsky and see how even the supposed 'left' in the Russian revolution would have continued the right-wing barbarous regime that Stailn enforced and would only support the communists in Spain, like how Stalin did, leading to the republican cause becoming divided as the communists fought socialists leading to the fist armed struggle against your favourite ideology resulting in a loss for democracy and liberty. Orwell's Homage to Catalonia attests to the same truth.

In fact, after reviewing what you are trying to negate, I find it hard to believe your proclivities aren't to blame here. Do you wear jack boots while typing this all out?

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A lot of people died fighting against and being victims of Nazism and it is a disgrace to try and put your bias distortions on the history.

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Should this supposed to be an argument or something? Realy, who was the first guy in history that came up with that "You can't say that about event X because people died in event X and blawblawblaw..."

Calling socialists Trojan horse's or a fifth columnists for right-wing fascist and Nazi ideals is flat out in contradiction with the truth. British, French, German and other European socialists were the first people to fight the fascists and Nazis (in Spain) long before the European right-wing stopped courting Hitler and reluctantly acted.

Brothers fight also about chicks and bait. Nazis and Communists are brothers, arguing about who will be the first one destroying freedom.

leading to the fist armed struggle against your favourite ideology resulting in a loss for democracy and liberty

Pfff... My favourit ideology? Is this some kind of pressure you people have, that everyone who isn't in the mood for collectivism sounds like a facist, must be a facist and everything thats bad is his kind of ideology. Yeah, try to categorize me.

In fact, after reviewing what you are trying to negate, I find it hard to believe your proclivities aren't to blame here. Do you wear jack boots while typing this all out?

Hahahaha, *repeat the first picture*

Oh Maggy, i bet if you could have realized how gone europe already is, you would have died 8 years earlier. Now Marxists like Vítor Constâncio and Ewald Nowotny run a european central Bank but the trojan horses still wanna pose as some sort of victims or do-gooders who just try to please the suppressed poor masses. What a mental sinkhole.

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MM: Here's a qoute from a certain defining person quite involved (starts with H and ends with itler) in the creation of national socialism, regarding the term "socialism": "Marxians have stolen the term and confused its meaning" and "Communism is not socialism. Marxism is not socialism." Socialism in National Socialism is regarding the individual being committed to the society. They had nothing against private property, which is clearly illustrated by examples such as Krupp.

If you're really gonna keep up this out right stupid nonsense about "the Nazis are Communists, it's called National SOCIALISM gais", I don't think there's any doubt about your incredible, politically controlled revisionism of history. You are one step below the history revisionists who deny the Holocaust.

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You are one step below the history revisionists who deny the Holocaust.

Blawblawblaw i'am so bad and i should go to jail, because i'am just one step ahead from other bad people.

Realy, you people make me sick. But what do i care, i have my freedom of speech so be happy with yours. No point in debating with socialists, its like a muslim would convert a hindu.

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*they ain't the same, my leftwing teacher told me so*

Yeah like these funks.

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They already knot the noose for all those other nasty market liberal neo liberal capitalist... facist... greedy speculators while the trojan horses carry their message through the society from top to button like some sort of highly infected plague to do the mental spadework. Yeah, all those dirty reactionaries and revisionists gona be in labor camps soon , muhahahha lets pop a cork.

PS: Don't forget that Margaret Thatcher was also one of those evil climate sceptics, they are also just one step from holocaust deniers. Yeah those dirty climate change deniers gona be hanged soon whahahaha...

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I fail to see how all those things are even remotely connected with the topic.

Because i pointed out how this socialist scum is losing it as soon as someone they hated, because he didn't give them free handouts, passed away. Then one of those jerks said that sounds facists, than i said facism and socialism are the same, and now we are here basicly.

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Thatcher did understand man made climate change. She was a chemist after all.

I suppose facts aren't relevent because "nobody reads my Any Rand comic" or whatever pseudo intellectual shit that is clogging your brain. I suppose you are a tea party nut case so I won't indulge your madness any further.

Good day.

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No point in debating with socialists

Yeah, 'bout that: I'm a conservative Catholic...

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Sad to see her go, at least she tried to make the UK better, and at least she had more of a spine then anyone who has come since.

Its just a shame so many people seem to have celebrated her death more then people seemed to have celebrated Bin Laden's death. It somewhat shows how little respect people seem to have when people die nowadays.

I wonder if these same people are the same people responsible for the riots last year?

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Hi all

I think the revisionists who try to paint Thacher as a saint need to take into account that the majority of views being expressed by the population of Britain saw her as anything but. She eventually became so extreme that even her own party kicked her out, and as I pointed out even the views of readers commenting on the Daily Telegraph a conservative news paper were so anti Thatcher that they had to close down the comments.

That the ox-bridge educated elite chattering classes of the mass media find it a shock to hear what the real opinions of the British public are on Thatcher is hardly a surprise; I think we all know the Mass Media has been out of touch for a decade. You have only to consider the old broadcast Mass media's failure to investigate the Casino Bankers even after they stole trillions of pounds of tax payers money, the deregulation that allowed them to do so was put in place largely by Thatcher.

That they are screaming about their press freedoms and refuse to investigate their own, nor want any one to have the power to do so, is just another example of how out of touch they are. The fact that the mass media is more interested in hacking the phones of celebrities and murdered children than finding out who the Thieves are that stole Trillions from the UK Tax payer, I put down largely to the fact that they went and send their children to the same schools and colleges that the Thieves went to. That Thatcher was the co-architect along with Murdoch of this betrayal of the role of the Fourth Estate is just another example of Thatcher's failures.

I think the revisionists need to listen to what the British people are saying here and the elitist mass broadcast media needs to stop thinking it can pull the wool over peoples eyes. People now know that the Mass broadcast Media is just: Rich people telling other Rich people, what to say to the Middle class about Poor people, so as to make them afraid. This is the age of world wide information flow, that power is dead.

Kind Regards walker

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Thatcher did understand man made climate change. She was a chemist after all.

She pointed out, that enviormentalism is a sneaky way for socialists to establish a planned economy. She was right about that. Look what gorbatschow does now with his green cross foundation. Germany has the strongest green party around the world and it is made up by west german communists.

I suppose facts aren't relevent because "nobody reads my Any Rand comic" or whatever pseudo intellectual shit that is clogging your brain.

Ohoho you got me. Yeah i like ,atlas shrugged' very much. Does that make me one of those evil Tea partiers? Hey, if this is your enemy stereotype, people who refer logic and self determination, you are totaly gone anyway.

Yeah, 'bout that: I'm a conservative Catholic...

Conservative doesn't mean anything else than people who want to convert the status quo. Depanding in wich country you live, that could be a good or a bad thing. Catholicism is just another form of collectivism. A disgusting cult that tries to tell me, that we are born in guild because a naked chick eat an apple or some shtuff.

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Well this thread went well. Guess I will request it closed seeing as its become the mouthpiece for displaying distasteful opinions (or maybe opinions in a distasteful way) rather than discuss the actual topic. It was only informative anyway, not too much to discuss.

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Good idea. Let the old lady rest in peace. :)

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