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(infact, since its in the rules to not discuss it, you're probably headed for another infraction)

Not in this special case. Since i quoted from a deleted post i see that i provoked it somewhat and give a infraction would not be fair IMHO.

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I guess you should be insulted then, because she was a normal human being, just like the rest of us...

you misread something about "IF" or your Implying an insult direct ? in which case i believe it is you who should gaining an infraction as you are directly insulting a person here ?

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Ok, i think points are made clear. Can we leave this discussion now and go back to topic, please.

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Hello there

I was not a fan at all I am afraid. As a human and a mother etc, I feel sympathy for her family etc but I've been very happy since she stepped out of politics. For me, she was not a pleasant person although one has to give respect where it was due.

Rgds

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Well,just to let you know ... thatcher was unknown (with no real political notoriety) until she assisted to a bilderberg meeting in 1972 and seduced some of the guys there with her "vision"... 3 years later she is a prime minister.

May peace be with her !

As I said earlier, "what's wrong with you? Seriously" and now this: You're right out lying, and don't know what you're on about. She was an MP back in '59-'70, a minister from 1970-1974, leader of the opposition from 1975-1979.

11 years of being an MP, minister 4 years, opposition leader 4 years. 19 years of being a very well known political figure before being elected PM. If you're gonna conspiracy derp, at least get the basics right.

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I was not born in UK so I cannot judge if Miss Maggie was really a bad person or a good Prime Minister.

I am rather wondering what she will do when she will arrive in Great-Beyond Town:

Take the Tea with Pinochet, or grab a bite with Bobby Sands... it will depend on the time of arrival I guess

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Not judging her policies since she left office when I was small and not living in the UK. But unlike many of the despots that her haters love so much like Che, Mao and Castro, Thatcher was democratically elected several times. Can't blame her for anything without blaming a democratic majority three times for believing (and approving since she was re-elected twice) in her policies more than that of the other two parties.

Rest in Peace

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Whatever anyone's political position, I do wish people would stop being so immature about it.

Here in Bristol a bunch of 'alternatives' (ie. middle class hippies with First World Problems) threw a street party to celebrate her death, with the ulterior motive of kicking off with the police - eventually leading to a riot, hospitalising a policemen and preventing me from going to the pub.

All because an old lady died!

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"Yay, a democratically elected leader has died!"

Does that last part actually make it into the heads of those celebrating her death?

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Like her or not, she fought hard for what she believed in.

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I started work in mid 1975 (apprentice), started my own business up early 1981, around 15mnths after she became PM. When her own party threw her out in 1990 I was employing around 40 people (was only a small business back then, but had slowly grown over that decade).

It’s a period I can relate too very well, she did things wrong a number of times, but she did far more right. It felt like you could move forward and you did, if you wanted too. Alright I have found it good since, well luckily more times than its been bad, but when I heard she had died, which really was no surprise, considering how ill she had been of late, it was sad in a nostalgic way for me.

Of course I’m sad for her family, she is/was a mother and grandmother, so you have to be very sad for those left behind. But for myself, as said, I felt more nostalgically sad for that era, I had to get a business going, hard slog, that’s for sure. But she had to get a country going, you did alright Maggie I tilt my hat to you, well if I owned one I would.

Churchill then Thatcher forget the rest… Thatcher certainly in my lifetime, well so far, can’t see anyone to get us out of this mess we’re in now.

Also I remember many conversations with my mum back in the 80’s, she always said Churchill was the best PM she had had in her lifetime, so it’s a pretty good duo I reckon..

RIP, Maggie..

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She was one of the worst Prime Ministers in terms of policy that this country has ever suffered, but a necessary one.

Britain in the 70's was a crumbling society, the post war consensus had grown stale, the state institutions were tired and inefficient in operation and the collaborative style of government (with the unions, mild monarchical interference, corporate bodies and the institutionalised use of grand committees all combined to corrupting it's policies and ability) was a destructive relic. Thatcher, no doubt destroyed a lot of the British economy then, and state companies and resources for the future, but her revolution had taken a bulldozer to this old order and that is the only thing anyone could ever praise her for.

The country today still has scars of her reign, some are impossible to be rid of. Her police-state tactics still effect British policing, her destruction of the north, Midlands, Wales and Scotland contributed a lot to the advance of devolution of the home nations and her pulling of the rug from beneath the great national institutions like the NHS and the Welfare system are even part of the reason why the Tory party is unelectable today. Even if Labour do things like ignore 2 million people protesting on a work week, they only have the party of failure and decline as opponents and that is no proper state for British politics.

As for her ranking amongst all Prime Ministers of the 20th century, she ranks 4th on my list as the most essential and yet I would rate her very far down as a positive impact.

Attlee is, obviously, the best peacetime PM of the 20th century but he was quiet and a man rated for his accomplishments rather than emotional support. Thatcher is a strange comparison, her will and leadership skills were amazing and yet her accomplishments are almost entirely negative.

Edited by Prydain

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Hi all

Hmm, Destroyed the UK Manufacturing Industry.

Almost lost the Falklands, she Cut the Military to the bone and if the Junta had waited 6 months they would have had them selves their Malvina's. UK Soldiers, Sailors and Airmen pulled her bacon out of the fire, with equipment rescued from wrecking yards and the Military Surplus yard sales. Afterwards she then ran around claiming the spotlight, and making out she did it all, a corrupt mass media helped her to claim the victory others sold their lives for.

Wiped out swathes of communities in Wales, Scotland, and the North in a campaign against British Steel Production and then the Mines. Wales and Scotland demanded devolution as a result, so Thatcher also broke the back of that Union as well.

Then went on to nearly wipe out the UK economy with massive inflation, record Unemployment and interest rates through the roof, this last was the poison chalice that she gave to those who bought their council homes, many went bankrupt and lost their homes in the last Tory depression, Just as they are doing in this Tory depression. They and their children are the slum landlords tenant chavs who claim Britains ASBO's, rob your house, stab your neighbours, and street race your stolen car to a waste land fire every week.

Her Finale was the Poll tax. Cameron's seems to be his bed tax.

It is shocking few people who actually live in Britain, what the peoples reaction to her death have been, we experienced it, foreigners do not understand this.

It is hardly surprising which song is the top of the UK charts. Like her, the current Cameron regime are living in a Foreign Owned Sycophantic Elitist Old Mass Media bubble, like Thatcher they actually believe their own publicity but this is the age of the Internet and a democratic media; they may be about to wake up and smell the coffee.

Kind Regards walker

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Well OK, seeing as I started the thread I'll post my own opinion of her :)

The most powerful PM we had since Churchill. She stood up for the UK whether it be against aggressors (Argentina) or Europe. She was a Rottweiler like that. She remolded the UK to be a different entity entirely. The Falklands war started a large upsurge in military spending, I joined up at that point and the training school I went to (18 months of training) was a factory, pumping thousands of servicemen through relentlessly.

But she did sell all the family silver. Things we used to own as a society were sold to private companies, bolstered by public funds when they needed it. This is the worst thing she did IMO. This is a general Conservative trait, to help people with lots of money to grab more money, and help them when they get into trouble. If you had no or little money, it became difficult to make more money.

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The flames of hatred: 30 years of loathing for Baroness Thatcher explodes in celebrations of her death. Will funeral now be targeted?

Well look at that. Look who is celebrating, look whos boozing and looting. The leftwing socialist slime, old leftwing fanatics and their scum breed with colored hair.

I never had a high opinion about thatcher, at least she stood up against bilderberg, but what these people are doing is such a disgusting behavior. When scum loots the town they were cowering and begging but when someone who was heavily ill in his last years dies, they celebrate.

See, socialists can't do nothing than swinging class warfare rhetoric around and demanding centralizing of power, in this case a central bank wich also Marx wrote about. And now these traitors, these scum is celebrating her death and that no one, grown up in the ducked up british education system, could resist them anymore.

The UK is like the rest of europe now overrun by communist satelite groups. The Labor Party doesn't sing the Internationale anymore and now everyone seams to forgett that they are a socialist party. France is ruled by socialists. Germany is ruled by socialists. Yeah, everyone wants his free education, free healthcare, free candy, live on others back because they wanna help the poor and everytime a conservative rightwing politician dies, these loons lose it. What a discusting picture.

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Hi all

As I pointed out earlier, the real British peoples opion of Thatcher is what matters not foreigners or elite minority controled mass media.

The British people have spoken on the matter of Thatcher.

It is the British Peoples opinion that decides.

Kind Regards walker

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As I pointed out earlier, the real British peoples opion of Thatcher is what matters not foreigners or elite minority controled mass media.

The British people have spoken on the matter of Thatcher.

It is the British Peoples opinion that decides.

W... You refer to them? The real british people who say their opinion bravely against the elite minority controled mass media mainstream.

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Minuetman, you really are sounding like Walker in your posts, full of conspiracy and sensation. I like it, it is quite nice to see other peoples opinions but when the two of you cross it is like two chemical fallouts rather than one. Talking about Bilderberg and mass controlled media is a bit desperate.

I don't like the way you talk about socialists, the way you speak about them is very detailed (mentioning hair) and yet very generalising and inaccurate. It seems to be a prejudice in your mind rather than an actual objective understanding.

Besides, Attlee was a socialist, his pre-war criticism of the Tory party is still good to read today. Since the Tories were the best friends of Hitler and worked the British lower classes into desperation and indignity, I'd call them traitors. I'd recommend you reading the very interesting polemic Guilty Men, published in 1940 or going to an archive and reading the newspapers during the 30's and the British old order's attachment to the Nazi party. So if we start this comparison you'll have to explain why socialists have been the defenders of Britain in the face of the upper class and why socialist constructs like the glorious NHS and the social safety net that are both more efficient and cost virtually nothing in comparison to laissez-faire remedies and yet were opposed by the right wing because they would liberate the needy from the de facto slavery that capitalism cannot, yet, fix.

The left's achievements in the world, not just Britain, are far more inspiring, progressive and outweigh the all right wing actions. This connects to Thatcher too, she is hated because she neglected her own people after taking the necessary action of taking a bulldozer to the post-war consensus.

One action was good, the inaction after was criminal.

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Hi all

In Reply to Minutemen, the elite controled mass broadcast media are a minority and they stopped being mainstream almost a decade ago, if you want to know what the people in a country think you have to look on the web, where they speak their own views. It is very noticable that so many people posted negative comentaries on Thatcher across the length and breadth of the public media, from Facebook to forums like this one, as well as any comment section on any mass broadcast media web site. Even the Telegraph's comment section had to suspend their public access, because the comments were almost universally negative about Thatcher.

Many journalists are in shock at this example of true public opinion, but what else can you expect in the elitist closed shop that is British Journalism; where virtualy every journalist and editor went to Oxbridge.

Kind Regards walker

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It is also stupid because the entirety of Fleet Street is owned by old friends of Thatcher and every single British newspaper supported the Tories in the last election and most take it as a matter of course to do so.

But, you know, facts have a left-wing bias and all that.

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Minuetman, you really are sounding like Walker in your posts, full of conspiracy and sensation.

Where do i sound like Walker? Its like you would say, a green apple looks very like a pear so they have to be the same.

I like it, it is quite nice to see other peoples opinions but when the two of you cross it is like two chemical fallouts rather than one. Talking about Bilderberg and mass controlled media is a bit desperate.

Facts are facts. Facts are not leftwing, facts are not rightwing, facts are not happy and facts are not desperate. Facts exist. Thatcher was at Bilderberg, thats true, and later she said Journalists she didn't liked it at all and the stod agaist the European Union Agenda. No, that doesn't make her good or bad in my view, these are just the facts.

I don't like the way you talk about socialists, the way you speak about them is very detailed (mentioning hair) and yet very generalising and inaccurate. It seems to be a prejudice in your mind rather than an actual objective understanding.

I was in London twice and i'am not very supprised what i see there. Yeah, i thought this "Jelly and Ice Cream when Thatcher dies" think would just a Celtic choir thing, but now look at them, not just these dirty punks losing it. You don't like the way i talk about them? About people who throw every morality over board when it comes to real actions while they wear them as a shield for plunder? You don't like the way i talk about socialism, when they carry pictures around, hanging Thatcher?

What do you think "Get the rest" means in this context? When the rioters killed pakistan shop owners no one of those scum, of those slimy filth would act and just do shtuff else than looting, but when an old Woman died after years of mental sickness, they pop the bottles.

The left's achievements in the world, not just Britain, are far more inspiring, progressive and outweigh the all right wing actions.

The dumbest ideas will allways reach the biggest masses. Look at Mohammed, look how many men are muslim. Yeah, Gulag, Berlin Wall, government education and the force to labor are great achievements. I'am not in the mood right now to debate stuff with another progressiv trojan horse.

@Walker

So whats the deal about there opinions? Does it make it right, because it seams like the majority of people share an opinion? No, it doesn't. I my opinion the people in the UK are the cowardly, lazy and more obedient than ever shadow of their tyrannical empire. This country is so broke, so gone they have many reasons to overthrow their government or at least start a revolt, but what they do? Celebrating the death of an old woman who didn't even realized who she was in her last years.

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The left's achievements in the world, not just Britain, are far more inspiring, progressive and outweigh the all right wing actions. This connects to Thatcher too, she is hated because she neglected her own people after taking the necessary action of taking a bulldozer to the post-war consensus.

And yet nobody's reversed her policies :S

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There's never a better time to listen to Pink Floyd's "The Final Cut" album...

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And yet nobody's reversed her policies :S

The poll tax was the most famous reversal in terms of policy but her underfunding was the most important to be reversed to a more balanced style of economic policy.

Yeah, Gulag, Berlin Wall, government education and the force to labor are great achievements. I'am not in the mood right now to debate stuff with another progressiv trojan horse.
Both the Gulag and the Berlin Wall are right-wing achievements, Stalinist Communism isn't exactly pluralist is it? As for 'force to labour', I wouldn't call the workhouse the result of liberty and slavery was only ever defended by the religious right.

Complaining about the liberty and self improvement of education is a bit odd though. All this authoritarianism makes you sound slightly fascistic.

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