Story problem.

[Alistair 10]

I want NATO to be on the disadvantage now.

Finally Blufor has worthy opponents.No more T-34's and rusty AK-47's...I wonder how they will portray it in the campaign. :D

[ghostnineone 10]

There was a pre-alpha screenshot though of an OPFOR rifleman with an EBR, so it's been on both sides as far as screenshots are concerned, whereas the F2000 hasn't been actually seen since 2011 except for like one screenshot.

I've never seen the opfor using it in screens (I've seen the f2000 more than once, and the US using czech weapons, so maybe who is using it doesn't really mean anything) I'm hoping it was still just a "we don't have a weapon to give them yet", thing.

Given the fact that the Iranian's now have thermal hiding space suits and crazy bug eyed HUD's and a railgun tank, their random procurement of US weaponry STILL bothers me. They use their own Iranian made assault rife but have a US made DM rifle, and a US made SAW (Knight's armament CO LMG)? That's weird no matter what story they give (assuming the weapons assigned are the ones that will be sticking with)

It would make sense if Iran had the tavor since they have a relatively close proximity to Israel or the f2000 since it's in use in Libya and Pakistan.

I don't really like the MX rifle but at least they can give it to whoever because it's made up.

[chortles 263]

I don't really like the MX rifle but at least they can give it to whoever because it's made up.

And now you know why BI would resort to fictional content. :D

To my knowledge this is the only picture of the F2000/Mk 20 after the visual revamp of 2012; to my knowledge the KAC LMG was never in Arma before this game so there's nothing to say that its origins in the Armaversum weren't different -- and heck, maybe the 6.5 mm version ("Mk200") is what's exclusive to the OPFOR.

I don't know if you noticed, but both of the pistols in the alpha are a P99 (the "P07") and the MP-443 Grach ("Rook 40") which were both rechambered in 9 x 21 mm... and don't be surprised if the DM turns out to be a "IRAN STRONG" 'copy/reverse-engineer' job rechambered in 7.62 x 45 mm instead of 7.62 x 51 mm like the "old" MK 14 EBRs from the older Arma games. As for why would both the MXM and the EBR be in an "obscure" caliber? Two words: "CZECH STRONG" :lol: C'mon, you never expected this possibility from a company that made a DLC about the Czech Republic military?

[Sryan 1]

The iranian rifle is a KH2002 fictionally chambered for 6.5mm

[vasmkd 12]

Maybe the plot can be something like this:

Greece sold the islands because they couldn't pay off their debt and NATO bought them for strategic purposes because of there location and importance as a base to monitor the area and stop Iranian military from entering europe.

[nikiforos 450]

^^ Take it easy now and don't walk over the line !!!

[lugiahua 26]

I think they didn't bomb it because of political reasons(the place was rich in Oil),plus they had soldiers in there training the Kingdom of South Sahrani Forces.

the north island had no oil (the reason they invaded south)

[AmmokK 1]

It´s obvioulsy an alternate universe. So it´s not that hard to explain ;)

[Silent_Thunder 1]

Course it's an alternate universe, we have what, 6 or 7 fictional countries at this point? Nogovo, Malden, Everon, Sahrani, Chenarus, Takistan, and Kuglojev?

[Tonci87 163]

Nogovo Malden and Everon aren´t countries...

[mmaruda 20]

I don't consider the general setting plot that important, but I wish the campaign had some more story to it with some well drawn characters. Who cares why Iran invaded Greece? If BIS states it's just because they are jerks, I'm good with that. That said, it's good the OPFOR are Iranians - finally a game where we can kick their ass instead of those poor Russians gamers have been exterminating since Modern Warfae 1.

[lugiahua 26]

I don't consider the general setting plot that important, but I wish the campaign had some more story to it with some well drawn characters. Who cares why Iran invaded Greece? If BIS states it's just because they are jerks, I'm good with that. That said, it's good the OPFOR are Iranians - finally a game where we can kick their ass instead of those poor Russians gamers have been exterminating since Modern Warfae 1.

nah, we have been doing that since OFP in 2000...:bounce3:

[Yairweinberg 1]

I don't consider the general setting plot that important, but I wish the campaign had some more story to it with some well drawn characters. Who cares why Iran invaded Greece? If BIS states it's just because they are jerks, I'm good with that. That said, it's good the OPFOR are Iranians - finally a game where we can kick their ass instead of those poor Russians gamers have been exterminating since Modern Warfae 1.

I care obviously, It seems like you missed the point I made this thread for I wanted an answer because I care for the plot, I didn't make this so you can tell me you don't care...

Its obviously an alternate universe. So it's not that hard to explain.

Why so? It might not be the same timeline as ours but it has the same problems we experience and some are hard to explain here as well...

[chortles 263]

Why so? It might not be the same timeline as ours but it has the same problems we experience and some are hard to explain here as well...

Not necessarily... the timelines (real life and the Armaversum) diverged fifty years by the time of Arma 3, and the third game is set twenty-five years after Operation Arrowhead... far enough into the future that BI has plenty of leeway for the "generational shift needed to result in the look that we want" to more plausibly have happened in the background... that flexibility thanks to not having to give a damn about authenticity probably having something to do with why they went "future warfare".

[Yairweinberg 1]

Ahh, by the same problems I meant the political problems are not necessarily with the same people and countries but they do/did exist and we did experience them. Iran isn't invading Greece (Or Turkey I'm not sure which country anymore) currently and its not a technological superpower but lets take Desert storm for an example, Iraq (Iran) invading Kuwait (Greece/Turkey) than a coalition (NATO) was formed in an attempt to stop them. Although the situation isn't the exact same thing the problem is. You see where I'm getting at?

[TV-PressPass 10]

For the record: the Iranians aren't using Tavors. The Tavors are in the blufor box where they belong.

[Yairweinberg 1]

... Look at screen shots they USED Tavors it has been switched since than. http://elder-geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/arma3_screenshot.jpg (406 kB)

[cifordayzserver 119]

I'm not particularly invested in the story, however I love that they put so much into it. I'm working with the Sahrani map and it's amazing the level of detail to the story/history.

The weapons and vehicles I think were both stated that they were "jammed in" and in no way considered to be permanent or correct... I think Dyslecxi said so much in one of the first intro videos or maybe a preview one...

As far as the logic of Iran invading, global domination. 20 years is plenty of time for a country to leap frog over others... Japan was not considered a serious threat to China until it WAS... Countries can surprise the world.

I would love to see how Bi explains it all but my guess would be some sort of internal Iranian revolution that leads to lifted sanctions and rapid economic/technological growth due to it's large oil reserves. Add in a few successful inventors/industrialists and BOOM new super power hungry for growth and domination.

[chortles 263]

Ahh, by the same problems I meant the political problems are not necessarily with the same people and countries but they do/did exist and we did experience them. Iran isn't invading Greece (Or Turkey I'm not sure which country anymore) currently and its not a technological superpower but lets take Desert storm for an example, Iraq (Iran) invading Kuwait (Greece/Turkey) than a coalition (NATO) was formed in an attempt to stop them. Although the situation isn't the exact same thing the problem is. You see where I'm getting at?

The timelines diverged so far back (i.e. before your Desert Storm example) that it's not impossible and it's even plausible that what you're describing simply didn't happen in the Armaversum (and I expect BI to use this excuse -- "we want future tech and we'll make the storyline act as an excuse for our desire for future tech in an Arma game". Do I mind? Nope, because I'm happy with seeing said "future warfare" aesthetic too enough to not mind whatever excuses they feel that they need to get this past people ;) ).

[Yairweinberg 1]

The timelines diverged so far back (i.e. before your Desert Storm example) that it's not impossible and it's even plausible that what you're describing simply didn't happen in the Armaversum (and I expect BI to use this excuse -- "we want future tech and we'll make the storyline act as an excuse for our desire for future tech in an Arma game". Do I mind? Nope, because I'm happy with seeing said "future warfare" aesthetic too enough to not mind whatever excuses they feel that they need to get this past people ;) ).

What? Are you sure you're still talking about what I'm talking about?

[Silent_Thunder 1]

He means the ArmaVerse's fictional timeline diverts from our real life time line LONG before the 20 year jump we're seeing. I mean the first game in the "cannon" so to speak was Cold War Cr- Err, Assault. Cold War Assault ;). Where the US and a "rogue" Soviet general had a small scale war over a small island chain in the 80s. Basically from that point on, the timelines have diverged in certain different ways. So although things may seem similar, many of the geo-political realities we have in the modern day may be slightly diffrent in the game's universe.

[chortles 263]

Pretty much -- the only situations that we've "strongly" had in the Armaversum timeline since the events of Resistance (1982) and CWA (1985) were the 2006 Sahrani conflict, the 2007 Rahmadi conflict, the 2009 Chernarus conflict (with Chernarus having been a former 13th-century state later subsumed by the Russian Empire and then the USSR until 1991), the 2012 and 2013 Takistan conflict (Takistan itself dating back to the rise of Islam), the 2013 adventures of the Larkin brothers (the only one not set in a fictional location) and then the events of Arma 3... so if it's still a given that the Arma 3 single-player campaign is set in 2035, then that's twenty-two years since the events of PMC and TKOH, and basically everything that's ever happened in the Armaversum timeline (with Resistance as its starting point and Arma 3 as its thusfar-end point) is front-loaded mostly into the first half of said timeline.

Also, to my knowledge this would be the Iranian military's first-ever appearance in the Arma franchise, with no hinting as to where their infantry gear progression had been before 2035.

Edited March 30, 2013 by Chortles

[wipman 1]

Hi, IMO... only on the OFP CWC & OFP:R the history had some sense; on the ArmA & ArmA:QG it was plain, senseless and almost stupid. On the ArmA2 it was more decent, but not much more... on the ArmA2:OA it only had sense if we take into consideration the real life events on A-Stan, but the game was boring to me, because of the enviroment, empty, with only rocks but zero human life; i don't know about "those DLCs" i didn't bought any... . On the ArmA3 the history looks senseless to me, truly stupid, but we should see the campaign 1St to see how it begins and where it goes... .

For me... the weapons and vehicles are just equipment, tools and resources; depending on the use that you do of what you've... you can get one resoult or another. Some times you can do more with less (guerrilla/SF fighting style), some times you do less with more... (big armys vs guerrilla, the Corea/Nam lesson) it's up to you in the game what you get with X tank vs another etc.. and that is not directly related with the game's background. I would had preffered Leo2A6 instead Merkava and CV9040 instead Tigr, some more EU things and the battle taking place into some tropical island, on the pacific or something, i think that because of the news the people want now too much dusty terrains instead a ritcher enviroment; but that's like the rest of thing... just my own opinion. We'll have to wait (pray) and see, what they do with the background history once the game is complete and not an Alpha or Beta version. Let's C ya

[antoineflemming 14]

So, I see this thread is still kicking... Anyway, I've come to the conclusion that the Iranians got their gear and equipment from the Russians. From the Ifrit to the Gorka to the helmets, the gear is Russian-made. I think this makes the current state of Arma 3's Iranian Army more plausible.

And, yes, this is also a WIP addon ;p

Note: The texture is custom, the model is not. The model (with Iranian Hex camouflage) is a special operations helmet that BIS has made for OPFOR. The shadows aren't complete, but half of the helmet is normal and half of it is like the "bug-eyed space helmet" that so many here hate. I think the helmet above should be a special forces helmet, and that the default Iranian helmet should be the Iranians' pilot helmet.

Edited March 31, 2013 by antoineflemming

[heartlessphil 1]

Okay so the Iranians invaded an island in Greece, how? Did they suddenly get all sorts of tech and equipment from god knows where? Why Stratis?

Another problem is Israel, Where are they? Why did the Merkava mk.4 turn into the M2A1? Why do the Iranians use Tavors and Namer APCs? I heard a rumor that that's because Iran conquered Israel but come on what are the the chances?

Now I'm not judging your story decision but the Iranian problem would probably go on for 2-3 more years than war will break open leaving one side in destruction.. I'm willing to bet its the Iranian side. I know the Russia vs NATO thing is over used but you can use China, North korea or some kind of country that is trying to expand but there are so much pieces of this story that I just can not put together.

Anyone can explain that to me? Maybe try to guess?

Btw- Sorry if this is a little annoying for anyone but I have to know the LORE! Its the best part in a game in my mind!

You know, it's not because they've modelled stratis on a real greek island, that it HAS to be Greece in the Arma universe...it's a game they could call the island Canada if they wanted!