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Intervention in Iraq. 10th Anniversary

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Could Twitter Have Stopped the Media's Rush To War In Iraq Ten Years Ago?

But Twitter could have swarmed journalists with instant analysis about the obvious shortcoming. That kind of accurate, instant analysis of Powell's presentation was posted on blogs but ignored by a mainstream media enthralled by the White House's march to war.

Colin Cancer: Recalling Key Moment in Selling Iraq War

Bob Woodward, asked by Larry King on CNN what happens if we go to war and don’t find any WMD, answered: “I think the chance of that happening is about zero. There’s just too much there.â€
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Well all I can pull out from this is something that may get forgotten in the fog of it all (UK wise) ..

Dr David Kelly - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_%28weapons_expert%29 -

"many dark actors playing games."

Says it all.

Doctors call for Dr David Kelly inquest to resume.

A group of doctors which has been investigating the death of government scientist Dr David Kelly wrote to the Chief Coroner today calling for his inquest to be resumed and the suicide verdict re-examined.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/9861704/Doctors-call-for-Dr-David-Kelly-inquest-to-resume.html

EDIT:

Reminds me or Robin Cook: MP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Cook

Who wrote this article in reference to Al-Qaida:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west.

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Al-Qaeda was created by the Jesuit trained daughter-in-law of Carl M. Marcy through her Senior Executive Service via the U.S. Small Business Administration’s 8(a). The 9/11 attacks were executed by Bombardier Master Trust and the Royal Canadian Air Force along with the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in league with the Ministry of Defense of the UK. The air attacks were planned at New Jerusalem a sovereign state within the sovereign state of the City of London. The planning was devised by Sir Timothy Garden the head of the Air Pilots and Air Navigators and a member of Great Master, Prince Charles’s Order of the Bath just as wicked George H.W Bush is a member and who’s son was in the Presidency whilst his other son controlled the security of the World Trade Center. Do the math! Remember the FBI openly admitted on their website for ten years that Osama Bin Laden was not wanted for 9/11.

Al-Qaeda was created by the family of Carl M. Marcy based in Chicago. Marcy’s Jesuit trained (Georgetown ‘military fortress’ University) daughter-in-law created Al-Qaeda using her Senior Executive Service arm of the Temple Bar via the U.S. Small Business Administrations 8(a) program.

He died not long after this while walking out in the mountains.

Edited by mrcash2009
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Those last two pictures on the Occupation and Insurgency page are... not really sure how to put it really. Especially sad I guess.

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http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/03/iraq-wars-10th-anniversary-the-invasion/100475/#img33

Who remembers the downing of US helicopter over Karbala on 23th of March 2003. Pilots bailed out somewhere, the wreck was seized by the Iraqi and search for bailed pilots had begun. I remember watching live footage from Baghdad on that day and angry crowds scouring along the banks of Tigris river, a true manhunt that was.

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/24/sprj.irq.apache.attack/index.html

I wasn't sure of their fate, until recently. They were captured and joined to six US soldiers captured earlier. Here's the story click

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Yes, like the horrible democracy, human rights, and that spectacular human being named Saddam being hanged for something I'm sure wasn't worse than a parking ticket. Seriously, what's wrong with that? Just take the poor Iraqi national football team as an example: If they lose now, who's gonna torture them? Poor, poor Iraq.

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yeah, poor Iraq, now they'll never be able to attempt genocide on the Kurds like they used to!

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What a disaster, the whole war begun with a lie from an Iraqi chemical engeneer, an asylum seeker living in germany and finally with an intentionally war and geopolitical interests. Even the international main media showing frequently documentaries and infos about this, some still believe the propaganda, the military would be only deployed to bring "democracy and freedom". To eliminate a threat to "world peace".

Edited by oxmox

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C'mon oil was and is a important reason to secure & protect from the evil and a good secondary mission goal of an conflict/war is to test all the (new) military toys. Win-win. ;)

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What a disaster, the whole war begun with a lie from an Iraqi chemical engeneer, an asylum seeker living in germany and finally with an intentionally war and geopolitical interests. Even the international main media showing frequently documentaries and infos about this, some still believe the propaganda, the military would be only deployed to bring "democracy and freedom". To eliminate a threat to "world peace".

Whilst I'm not saying that the war was started with those intentions in mind, it is definitely what it lead to. The Iraqis today get to vote for their leaders, they can complain about them all they want without getting a lump of C4 taped to their chest, and Saddam, the man who started the Iran-Iraq war, invaded Kuwait, launched Scuds all over the Middle East, and terrorized his own population by using WMDs against them, and the Iranians, was most certainly a threat to peace.

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Crapometer @ 95% , so i post

US governement played the bandits and went to Iraq to steal their Oil ... an invasion based on a lie and pure interest !

Who placed Saddam on Iraq's head and who was protecting him for so long ? When he started getting a bit out of control they took him out and placed their puppets so they can secure their transactions ! Pure Gang job ... it's the same thing with Khaddafi ,with less cost !

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Yes, you did just take the crapometer to 95%, happy now?

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Crapometer @ 95% , so i post

US governement played the bandits and went to Iraq to steal their Oil ... an invasion based on a lie and pure interest !

Well the various activists and their pet sheep just love to quote that one don't they? However lets think about that for a moment - if it were true then US imports of oil from Iraq would have increased since 2003 wouldn't they?

If they were stealing Iraq's oil there would be evidence of the theft? Oil export / import data would show it. Here is a mighty big shock for you fella - The US actually imports less oil now than it did when Saddam was in power - 40% less:

U.S. Imports from Iraq of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)

year 2001 total - 289,998

year 2012 total - 173,317

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMIZ1&f=M

0412-chart_full_380.jpg

If you look at Iraqi oil export data it exports more oil to Asia (India/China/Japan) than anywhere else. Was your crapometer referring to yourself? You will notice that the US in the past decade has reduced oil imports from across the middle east so this whole invasion for oil nonsense doesn't really add up.

Edited by Mattar_Tharkari

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You really expect me to believe US administration and their numbers after so many lies in history including,the reason to invade Iraq ?

Besides,someone who steals a whole country will most likely not try to ship directly to him ... US is spread all over the world,politically and economically ... you jsut need a couple of two oil companies to exploit a country (Check AREVA on Niger) ... and i please not to be so naive (This is when Crapometer reached 95%) when telling me that US & friends went there to save people from tyranny,and spread love ... there are worse governements around the world that are committing crimes , genocids ... Myanmar,Middle Africa,Israel,Arab Saoudia ... and which the US governement is supporting by all means !

Once you will stop seeing things as black&White,you will have a better understanding of the world ... no one is good and no one is bad ... it's all about interests !

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Forget the oil, just lock how wealthy some men have become because of this war.

Dick Cheney for example. Google how he has benifited from this invasion.

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Any proof for this US oil smuggling operation or is that just someone's imagination working overtime? No one really minds you hating the USA - you will have plenty of friends on this forum. If you are going to tell lies, well that makes you look rather ridiculous doesn't it?

edit: In reference to the garbage written below - if hate wasn't involved why are people here and elsewhere writing things that aren't true? If they simply disagreed with what occurred they could state some reasonable, well thought out facts? There was actually a re-construction plan for Iraq that wasn't able to be implemented, a) because it was incompetent and ill-conceived, b) because Iran, Syria and Iraqi Baathist's did everything they could to stop it.

Edited by Mattar_Tharkari

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No one really minds you hating the USA - you will have plenty of friends on this forum.

FPDR

Not this again, lots of countries were involved in this particular crusade, to question a war and its ripples and outcome 10 years post the beginning isnt anything to do with hating "the US", such crap. Having said that, if you take away the oil part of the equation, and the WMD that wasn't, and then, well, im not sure after that whats left apart from slamming the shit out of a country to ruin & collapse to get one bad man (who shook hands with many when it suited).

So anyone can talk away a reason, but if all thats left is the one that was a lie, then ... WTF was it about apart from looking at who benefited 10 years on?

Edited by mrcash2009

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Except his questioning the invasion of Iraq (hardly a Crusade, considering that the Christians there are fewer in numbers now) is far from the only reason it is probably safe to assume that he does indeed hate the USA. Go ahead, ask him if the Jews (he says Zionists, because he'd probably be banned otherwise) control the USA and use the country for their evil deeds.

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And herein lies the reason it will all stand up as right in history, when in actual fact it was the most corrupt mess of this generation thus far. But hey, thats "hate" apparently, no questions asked.

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Well the various activists and their pet sheep just love to quote that one don't they? However lets think about that for a moment - if it were true then US imports of oil from Iraq would have increased since 2003 wouldn't they?

If they were stealing Iraq's oil there would be evidence of the theft? Oil export / import data would show it. Here is a mighty big shock for you fella - The US actually imports less oil now than it did when Saddam was in power - 40% less:

U.S. Imports from Iraq of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)

year 2001 total - 289,998

year 2012 total - 173,317

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIMIZ1&f=M

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0412-chart/12259091-1-eng-US/0412-chart_full_380.jpg

If you look at Iraqi oil export data it exports more oil to Asia (India/China/Japan) than anywhere else. Was your crapometer referring to yourself? You will notice that the US in the past decade has reduced oil imports from across the middle east so this whole invasion for oil nonsense doesn't really add up.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/secret-memos-expose-link-between-oil-firms-and-invasion-of-iraq-2269610.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm

"We see that oil was in fact one of the Government's most important strategic considerations, and it secretly colluded with oil companies to give them access to that huge prize."

"The Foreign Office invited BP in on 6 November 2002 to talk about opportunities in Iraq "post regime change". Its minutes state: "Iraq is the big oil prospect. BP is desperate to get in there and anxious that political deals should not deny them the opportunity."

The 20-year contracts signed in the wake of the invasion were the largest in the history of the oil industry.

Oil reserves in Iraq will be the largest in the world according to recent geological surveys and seismic data.[1] The Iraqi government has stated that new exploration showed Iraq has the world’s largest proven oil reserves, with more than 350 billion barrels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves_in_Iraq

Edited by oxmox

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Article is completely wrong and you should know better than to get your facts from a dubious news source. There is no US/UK control of the Iraqi oil industry. Investment in the Iraqi oil industry is in fact spread equally amongst the larger players in the oil industry and the larger economies incuding:

http://ieiti.org.iq/ArticleShow.aspx?ID=36

Iraqi Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative

Oil Sales Process

2.4 Distribution of Oil Export Sales by SOMO in 2009

Iraqi Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative

The following table provides a listing of sold quantities to Iraqi crude oil buyers as reported by SOMO:

REPSOL YPF TRADING Y TRANSPORT S.A.

SARAS S.P.A. - ITALY

IPLOM SPA ,REFFINERY IN BUSALLA -GENOA

TOTAL INTERNATIONAL LIMITED -FRANCE

BP OIL INTERNATIONAL LIMITED

APIOIL LIMITED

SOCIETE ANONYME MAROCAINE DE L'INDUSTRIE DU RAFFINAGE (SAMIR)

LUKOIL INTERNATIONAL TRADING AND SUPPLY COMPANY

COMPANIA ESPANOLA DE PETROLEOS, S.A. (CEPSA)

MOTOR OIL (HELLAS)

SHELL INTERNATIONAL EASTERN TRADING COMPANY LIMITED

ERG REFFINERIES MEDITERRANEE S.P.A.

TURKISH PETROLIUM REFINERIES CORP. (TUPRAS)

PETROGAL S.A. LISBON - PORTUGAL

ENI COMPANY

KOCH SUPPLY AND TRADING L.P

VALERO SUPPLY AND MARKETING COMPANY

REPSOL YPF TRADING Y TRANSPORT S.A.

SOCIETE ANONYME MAROCAINE DE L'INDUSTRIE DU RAFFINAGE (SAMIR)

LUKOIL INTERNATIONAL TRADING AND SUPPLY COMPANY

ESPANOLA DE PETROLEOS, S.A. (CEPSA)

SHELL INTERNATIONAL EASTERN TRADING COMPANY LIMITED

ERG REFFINERIES MEDITERRANEE S.P.A.- GENOA / OTALY

TURKISH PETROLIUM REFINERIES CORP. (TUPRAS)- TURKEY

VALERO SUPPLY AND MARKETING COMPANY

PETROLIO BRASILERIO S.A. -PETROBRAS

CHEVRON PRODUCTS COMPANY

CONCOPHILIPS

INTERNATIONAL TRADING PTE. LTD.

EXXONMOBIL SALES AND SUPPLY LLC. U.S.A

TOYOTA TSUSHO CORPORATION

CHINA ZHENHUA OIL CO. LTD.

MITSUBISHI CORPORATION

JX NIPPON OIL & ENERGY CORPORATION

BHARAT PETROLEUM CORPORATION LTD.

HINDUSTAN PETROLEUM CORPORATION LTD.

SK ENERGY EUROPE LIMITED CHINA

NATIONAL UNITED OIL CORPORATION

PETRONAS TRADING CORPORATION SDN BHD (PETCO)

SINOCHEM INTERNATIONAL OIL LTD

UNIPEC ASIA CO. LTD.

PETROVIETNAM OIL CORPORATION (PV OIL)

INDIAN OIL CORPORATION LIMITED -INDIA

If you think oil is sailing to the US in a secret smuggling program please provide proof.

Edited by Mattar_Tharkari

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Guys seriously forget the oil.

Just look at the people that were at the head of the administration when the war began. Many of them directly profited from this war. They made huge ammounts of money, why should they care about oil?

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Any proof for this US oil smuggling operation or is that just someone's imagination working overtime? No one really minds you hating the USA - you will have plenty of friends on this forum. If you are going to tell lies, well that makes you look rather ridiculous doesn't it?

edit: In reference to the garbage written below - if hate wasn't involved why are people here and elsewhere writing things that aren't true? If they simply disagreed with what occurred they could state some reasonable, well thought out facts? There was actually a re-construction plan for Iraq that wasn't able to be implemented, a) because it was incompetent and ill-conceived, b) because Iran, Syria and Iraqi Baathist's did everything they could to stop it.

Yes,keep trying ... you can't convince people of believing that they went there and threw thousand of bombs ($$) and lost many troops to give freedom to Iraqi people !

Lol,i don't hate US or other country ... i just hate false propaganda and manipulation of the masses ! or making people not using their brains to find the truth ... media industry is made to prepare cooked answer for the average joe !

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