Paratrooper 0 Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think that one more thing is relevant here: Even if Britain would not gain anything by joining the EU per se, it would have much to loose by not joining. The EU, while advocating for open borders and free trade internally, is pretty isolationistic towards non-EU countries. If Britain would be outside the EU, it would very soon find its products boycotted and penalty taxed. It isn't fair, but it is the reality. <span id='postcolor'> Your just plain wrong there. We have had a free trade agreement with Europe under the WEU. Iceland, Norway, Switzerland and even Mexico! have free trade with Europe, the're not part of the EU. Boycotts are illegal betwene WTO nations. Britain has trade, we don't need our Parliment and Judiciary undermined from Brussels and Strasbourg. So the trade argument can be st aside as an advantage of the EU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 7, 2002 denoir , say me what you think of the VAB please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,19:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">denoir , say me what you think of the VAB please <span id='postcolor'> I know I can't spell it's full name It's a nice little APC. Once crossed a river in one and it was pretty impressive since it didn't leak But I know basically nothing about motorized stuff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 7, 2002 and , what else did you try ? give me your impressions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,19:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and , what else did you try ? give me your impressions <span id='postcolor'> About the VAB? Not much really. I got a ride a couple of times from the French but otherwise nothing. The UN uses them a lot in Bosnia, but they are not that common in Kosovo. I mostly drove in HUMVEEs and assorted terrain vehicles Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted July 7, 2002 What eank are you denoir? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 07 2002,20:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,19:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">and , what else did you try ? give me your impressions <span id='postcolor'> About the VAB? Not much really. I got a ride a couple of times from the French but otherwise nothing. The UN uses them a lot in Bosnia, but they are not that common in Kosovo. I mostly drove in HUMVEEs and assorted terrain vehicles <span id='postcolor'> was talking about other french material Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,20:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What eank are you denoir?<span id='postcolor'> I'm in the reserves now, so I'm not active but I hold the rank of fänrik (2nd lieutenant). In Kosovo I was a First Sergeant/Staff Sergeant but my duties were civilian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted July 7, 2002 I'm glad you knew I mean rank. You moved from NCO to officer? Not bad! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 7, 2002 i'm in the reserve now too , with the grade of "caporal-chef" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,20:30)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I'm glad you knew I mean rank.   You moved from NCO to officer? Not bad!<span id='postcolor'> Well, actually it's something in between. It's called "värnpliktig fänrik" which means "enlisted 2nd lieutenant". I'm still technically an NCO but I have the same rank or better to say authority as an commissioned 2nd lieutenant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,20:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">was talking about other french material <span id='postcolor'> The FAMAS is a toy gun Otherwise the French have the best tactical com gear that I have ever seen. Each man has a GPS unit that is corrected with a GSM signal giving a very accurate reading < 10 cm. They are all interconnected by encrypted radio links and the squad/platoon leader can on a hand-held device see the position of his men on a map. Very impressive Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 07 2002,20:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,20:22)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">was talking about other french material <span id='postcolor'> The FAMAS is a toy gun Otherwise the French have the best tactical com gear that I have ever seen. Each man has a GPS unit that is corrected with a GSM signal giving a very accurate reading < 10 cm. They are all interconnected by encrypted radio links and the squad/platoon leader can on a hand-held device see the position of his men on a map. Very impressive <span id='postcolor'> heheheheh and the Felin combat suit hasn't even entered in service yet  the felin system is based on the same communication system , but more powerfull , faster , more efficient ... etc etc the squad leader will even be able to control the number of famas ammo of every member of his team lol the system includes : angular fire system IR or NV vision equipements incorpored in the helmet laser designators new kind of body protections medical captors and many other nifty features ........ 5 years ago , we still had good old bulky green plastic talkie walkie wich weighted about 1 kilos and radio posts that were 15 kilos '99 tv commercial for french army : http://parabellumweb.free.fr/fichiers/videos/spot99tv.mpg there's a new tv spot at the tv now , but i still prefer the 1999 one edit : felin suit : over 100kb : 2 US landwarriors and 3 french Felins http://jamjmt.free.fr/galerie....0US.jpg angular fire system : http://jamjmt.free.fr/galeries/Givaudon/felin/Groupe%20Felin%203.jpg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,20:45)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">'99 tv commercial for french army : http://parabellumweb.free.fr/fichiers/videos/spot99tv.mpg<span id='postcolor'> Very cool. I like it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 7, 2002 description of the french landforces http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/french_army.htm felin : http://www.i-d.fr/HTML/fant_1of1.html famas Felin : http://giat.angie.fr/asp/fr/pdf/fr_ftech_famafeli.pdf french army and felin r0x0rz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,21:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">description of the french landforces http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/french_army.htm felin : http://www.i-d.fr/HTML/fant_1of1.html famas Felin : http://giat.angie.fr/asp/fr/pdf/fr_ftech_famafeli.pdf french army and felin r0x0rz <span id='postcolor'> Got any pictures of your elite surrendering brigade? j/k j/k j/k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,21:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,212)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">description of the french landforces http://homepage.tinet.ie/~steven/french_army.htm felin : http://www.i-d.fr/HTML/fant_1of1.html famas Felin : http://giat.angie.fr/asp/fr/pdf/fr_ftech_famafeli.pdf french army and felin r0x0rz <span id='postcolor'> Got any pictures of your elite surrendering brigade? j/k j/k j/k  <span id='postcolor'> DO YOU WANT ME TO SHOVE IT UP IN YOUR ASS : !?!?!?!??!!?!?! j/k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted July 7, 2002 Well if you do no-one can say im not open minded! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 7, 2002 or , do you prefer an exocet or a nuclear missle like the ones on our submarines ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted July 7, 2002 Hey! less posturing Frenchie! We have the Atomic enema on this side of the channel too! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warin 0 Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,21:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Got any pictures of your elite surrendering brigade? j/k j/k j/k  <span id='postcolor'> wahahahahahahahahahaha! What they dont show in those pictures is the armoured backpack/winecooler with the special refrigerated cheese compartment! But seriously, that looks like a kick ass system. And it looks like they kept away from integrating a ton of electronic nonsense into the rifle. At least then when the electronics crash, the soldier still has a functional weapon at his disposal Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted July 7, 2002 Ran- you think wide ranging integration is not a goal of a lot of the EU leaders and other european politicians? (and one of the founding ideas of the EU) and Albert you think its just a new economic system that will be good for business? If its all economic then why is a there a European Parliament, http://www.europarl.eu.int/home/default_en.htm --------- a european charter of rights with lots of quite stupid articles, http://europa.eu.int/comm/justice_home/unit/charte/index_en.html just one example: "Chapter I - Dignity Article 1 Human dignity Human dignity is inviolable. It must be respected and protected." What the fuck does that mean? It could be interpreted in a hundred thousand different ways... -------- a european court of human rights, (not EU i dont think) http://www.echr.coe.int/Eng/Judgments.htm --------- etc etc There are many forces at work trying to federalise and integrate europe. Romano Prodi is always at it and he wants to limit the veto powers of countries... the German political elite want to create an Uber-Germany of the EU along roughly the lines of Federal Germany....the French politicians have already succeeded in turning the EU into an apparatus of French farmer preservation(at the expense of others) and now want to turn it into a united front of anti americanism. The EU takes power away from the people and increases the power of the political class. It has a very limited democratic facade of people elected by the minority of politically minded people who take an interest (or ever know about) EU MPs. There are far too many commitees and commissions and appointments bestowed by elderly French gentlemen on other elderly gentlemen for reasons beyond scrutiny.Too much waste. Too much regulation. Not enough accountability. Not enough scrutiny of finances. Jean Monnet’s formula of an >>“ever closer Unionâ€<< best characterizes the process of European integration. This dynamic principle found its way into the Treaty of Rome. Today, for fear of this principle’s >>integrative force<<, the opponents of a >>so-called super-state<<, especially in Great Britain, would like to use our convention to delete the term "ever closer union" altogether from the acquis [the corpus of Community legislation already in place]." Dr.Guenter Burghardt -Head of the European Commission Delegation to the United States CNN- "BRUSSELS, Belgium -- European Union privacy laws have protected 500 members of a child porn ring from being tracked down, a police officer has said. UK Detective Chief Superintendent Keith Akerman said EU data protection laws -- which require Internet service providers to erase traffic data -- prevent police from tracking down people who swap graphic pictures over the Internet. The EU law is a real hindrance to investigations because it requires the destruction of evidence, Akerman said at a European Commission hearing on fighting cyber crime. " "Metric Martyrs" lose court challenge Five market traders in Britain have lost a legal battle to continue selling goods in pounds and ounces in defiance of EU regulations. The traders, known as the Metric Martyrs, had challenged convictions for selling food in imperial rather than metric measures, but the High Court in London rejected their claim that domestic law provided a loophole in the EU directives. The five had won support from a number of prominent figures including John Cleese and Elaine Page. blah blah blah my eyes are stinging i always represent myself in an essentially foolish and inherantly flawed manner i wonder why? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted July 7, 2002 baaaaaaaaahhhhh jus an idea , why not making a sticky thread abotu european military ?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paratrooper 0 Posted July 7, 2002 </span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,21:47)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">baaaaaaaaahhhhh jus an idea , why not making a sticky thread abotu european military ??<span id='postcolor'> I'm for that! Get rid of "why did you use your username?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted July 7, 2002 AAIIIii this thread moves too fast yes but it should be open for all militaries.... so if people with penis envy want to post pictures of abnormally large weapons they can do it all in one place. Or "-What about a war between 100 Grizzly bears, China, 100,000 pakistani troops , and an M1a2 with a veteran crew?' -'ahh the M1a2 would wupp 'em" or arguments about grains and calibres, 'penetration statistics' and who won WW2 heck why dont we just.....never mind yes i propose that there should be an 'all the the worlds militaries' thread..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
