Euro is turning people into nazi's :)

[ran 0]

Germany    Military

Military branches: Army, Navy (includes Naval Air Arm), Air Force, Medical Corps, Border Police, Coast Guard  

Military manpower - military age: 18 years of age  

Military manpower - availability: males age 15-49:  20,851,022 (2001 est.)  

Military manpower - fit for military service: males age 15-49:  17,760,412 (2001 est.)  

Military manpower - reaching military age annually: males:  482,318 (2001 est.)  

Military expenditures - dollar figure: $32.8 billion (FY98)  

Military expenditures - percent of GDP: 1.5% (FY98)  

United Kingdom         military

Military branches: Army, Royal Navy (includes Royal Marines), Royal Air Force  

Military manpower - availability: males age 15-49:  14,599,199 (2001 est.)  

Military manpower - fit for military service: males age 15-49:  12,139,930 (2001 est.)  

Military expenditures - dollar figure: $36.884 billion (FY97)  

Military expenditures - percent of GDP: 2.7% (FY97)  

Uk has the challenger 2 , germany has the leopard 2a6

uk has sas , germany has ksk

uk has jamming sa80 , germany has perfect g36

both have eurofighter

uk has the warrior , germany has the marder , won't continue the comparaison onmilitary plan it would be useless , the equipement of these two nations can be considered as equal as it obey at the same needs and has in big part the same specification , only the form looks different

AND the germany has a bigger effective than uk

germany population : 83,029,536

uk population :59,647,790

the needs aren't the sames and germany can't spend as much money as uk do in military domain

germany has more effectives in any military cases , and the german materials are as good as british ones

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France    Military

Military branches: Army (includes Marines), Navy (includes Naval Air), Air Force (includes Air Defense), National Gendarmerie  

Military manpower - military age: 18 years of age  

Military manpower - availability: males age 15-49:  14,573,199 (2001 est.)  

Military manpower - fit for military service: males age 15-49:  12,127,793 (2001 est.)  

Military manpower - reaching military age annually: males:  390,064 (2001 est.)  

Military expenditures - dollar figure: $39.831 billion (FY97)  

Military expenditures - percent of GDP: 2.5% (FY97)  

france population :59,551,227

make the comparaisons by yourself

[Supah 0]

Well having greece participate in the euro would be good too. No more exchange rates when you go there, I understand its a very popular holiday destination for northern europeans. Remember everytime you change lets say pounds in to the greek currency the banks screw you over. And as for their currency bringing down the euro ....... its not like (as an example) the lire got an equal share with the DM or guilder in the euro's worth. The stronger currencies were given large percentages and the weaker (lire-like) were given smaller percentages. So in the end the weaker currency has little effect on the euro. As for the greeks getting allot of aid ....... the european union gives aid to the province of the netherlands i live in too, does that make me as a dutchman a leecher too?

[Placebo 29]

I like Ouzo, but I prefer Aalborg

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (supah @ July 07 2002,03:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Well having greece participate in the euro would be good too. No more exchange rates when you go there, I understand its a very popular holiday destination for northern europeans. Remember everytime you change lets say pounds in to the greek currency the banks screw you over. And as for their currency bringing down the euro ....... its not like (as an example) the lire got an equal share with the DM or guilder in the euro's worth. The stronger currencies were given large percentages and the weaker (lire-like) were given smaller percentages. So in the end the weaker currency has little effect on the euro. As for the greeks getting allot of aid ....... the european union gives aid to the province of the netherlands i live in too, does that make me as a dutchman a leecher too?<span id='postcolor'>

Greece is in the Eurozone We managed to meet the requirements in '99

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ July 07 2002,03:02)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 06 2002,21:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The EU serves it's French and German "masters", "the clingers" Luxembourg and Belgium and the "leechers" of Portugal and Greece but it has nothing to offer Britain.<span id='postcolor'>

I beg your ****ing pardon, but call my country a "leech" again and you are in DEEP SHIT    

WTF do you know about what Greece contributes anyway? Go to Tesco's and Sainsbury's and have a GOOD look around: Greek Oil, Greek Ouzo, Greek Feta and LOADS more  

And the fact that we contributed more than any other culture to human kind by inventing most of modern day civilization...does this still make us leeches??

I like Britain, I like it a lot, but what I don't like are xenophobic and arrogant and self-righteous right-wing idiots <span id='postcolor'>

I love Greece! I holiday in Greece, I love Greek plays, Philosophy and food. However Greece gets more out of the EU (like Portugal and others) than it puts in, Britain gets less back than it puts in, this is what I mean. It isn't fair and works against British interests.

Please read what I say incontext, I'm no xenophobe... (Xenophon was I Greek infact )

[Supah 0]

Ah ...... something tells me i'm lagging newswise Well anyway it doesnt make the arguments less valid.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I love Greece! I holiday in Greece, I love Greek plays, Philosophy and food. However Greece gets more out of the EU (like Portugal and others) than it puts in, Britain gets less back than it puts in, this is what I mean. It isn't fair and works against British interests.

Please read what I say incontext, I'm no xenophobe... (Xenophon was I Greek infact )<span id='postcolor'>

HUH ??

you don't wannabe a part of the EU and you still want benefices ??

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,03:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I love Greece! I holiday in Greece, I love Greek plays, Philosophy and food. However Greece gets more out of the EU (like Portugal and others) than it puts in, Britain gets less back than it puts in, this is what I mean. It isn't fair and works against British interests.

Please read what I say incontext, I'm no xenophobe... (Xenophon was I Greek infact )<span id='postcolor'>

HUH ??

you don't wannabe a part of the EU and you still want benefices ??<span id='postcolor'>

I like Europe, I just want to be seperate from Europe, is that impossible? I like America but God knows I wouldn't want to be governed by them!

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,03:32)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">However Greece gets more out of the EU (like Portugal and others) than it puts in, Britain gets less back than it puts in, this is what I mean. It isn't fair and works against British interests.

Please read what I say incontext, I'm no xenophobe...<span id='postcolor'>

Ok, sorry for my explosive rant

As for Greece getting development money, well, look at it this way: would you rather Greece does not get any money, thus Greece's economy doesn't improve, thus Greece is holding down the EU (and thus Britain) even more?

Think about Ireland. 20 years ago it was a dump, 10 times worse than Greece. With the help of exactly this EU development money, Ireland managed to become the fastest growing economies in the EU, and turned from receiver to contributor.

Eventually, this is going to happen to the mediterranean countries as well. Everyone will get rich at some point

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,03:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just want to be seperate from Europe, is that impossible?<span id='postcolor'>

so , fuck your benefices and stay away , eu works like a familly or an enterprise : you're in , you get benefices , you're not , you don't get anything

it's simple

how do you dare asking anything to EU when you want to isolate it's impossible , it works like : you give , we give , not differently

so now if you don't wanna participate you're free

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,03:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,03:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just want to be seperate from Europe, is that impossible?<span id='postcolor'>

so , fuck your benefices and stay away , eu works like a familly or an enterprise : you're in , you get benefices , you're not , you don't get anything

it's simple

how do you dare asking anything to EU when you want to isolate it's impossible , it works like : you give , we give , not differently

so now if you don't wanna participate you're free<span id='postcolor'>

As it is at the moment: we give, you give less. Not a club worth being a member of. Iceland and Mexico have free trade agreements with the EU without the costly infringements on their soveignty.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,03:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,03:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,03:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just want to be seperate from Europe, is that impossible?<span id='postcolor'>

so , fuck your benefices and stay away , eu works like a familly or an enterprise : you're in , you get benefices , you're not , you don't get anything

it's simple

how do you dare asking anything to EU when you want to isolate it's impossible , it works like : you give , we give , not differently

so now if you don't wanna participate you're free<span id='postcolor'>

As it is at the moment: we give, you give less. Not a club worth being a member of. Iceland and Mexico have free trade agreements with the EU without the costly infringements on their soveignty.<span id='postcolor'>

Thats because Britain doesn't need giving.

Everything contributed by EU governments for handing out to the poorer nations are excess funds. The contributing countries dont exactly need this money.

Hence, the UK doesnt really need the money donated to promote its own economy, as the UK is perfectly capable of doing that without that money.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Ex-RoNiN @ July 07 2002,03:53)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,03:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,03:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,03:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just want to be seperate from Europe, is that impossible?<span id='postcolor'>

so , fuck your benefices and stay away , eu works like a familly or an enterprise : you're in , you get benefices , you're not , you don't get anything

it's simple

how do you dare asking anything to EU when you want to isolate it's impossible , it works like : you give , we give , not differently

so now if you don't wanna participate you're free<span id='postcolor'>

As it is at the moment: we give, you give less. Not a club worth being a member of. Iceland and Mexico have free trade agreements with the EU without the costly infringements on their soveignty.<span id='postcolor'>

Thats because Britain doesn't need giving.

Everything contributed by EU governments for handing out to the poorer nations are excess funds. The contributing countries dont exactly need this money.

Hence, the UK doesnt really need the money donated to promote its own economy, as the UK is perfectly capable of doing that without that money.<span id='postcolor'>

Well I agree, I'm not one of those people you can't have a reasonable argument with, I'm not going to just repeat my self like good old Duke-of-Ray in the God thread.

You make a good argument for the existance of the EU, but I would never want the EU to turn into a psudo-nation. A mutualy supporting club, not an empire I say.

[Depmod 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 06 2002,13:07)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (foxer @ July 06 2002,132)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Why is europe soo scared of USE(united states of europe ),Or something like that.America is great because we have states,no stopping each time we cross a state(unless in a moving truck or 18 wheeler).Plus it probably will help alot of poor european nations.Blah.<span id='postcolor'>

Because we have something that you don't and that is diversity of culture. Or perhaps I should just say culture. I know this might be hard for you to comperhend, but there are other things in the world besides economical benifits that one has to consider.<span id='postcolor'>

hoh boy.

Umm you do know that the USA is composed by people from ALL over the world...right?

Infact I can safely say that USA has the most diverse culture in the world. One trip in NYC or any other city or hell even in MidAmerica and you will see what am talking about.

I dont think Europe is as diverse as USA is,,,,not yet at least.

As for culture, we got it all. From Super expensive stupid Hollywood movies all the way to Opera, Broadway and so on and so on and so on and so on.

BTW you guys who are against a United Europe...get real. Its a pattern that is millions of years old. The way global economy works and technology make the Union the next logical step. Sure it has its bad sides and they need to be recon with but in the long run its something that no one can avoid.

[ran 0]

WHY DO ALL THE AMERICANS WANT US TO FOLLOW THEIR STEPS ?

j/k

The USA is not a culture , the way to live and to think of its inhabitants is

Usa have actually more a mealting pot than a culture

the europe is already united enough at my taste

europe is more diverse than the USA , i'm pretty sure of it : 15 countries , thousands of traditions , EU has the most diverse european population

as for culture ..... is an american suprproduction as good as an european author film ? is american opera as good as a verdi or shakespear's one ?

only some little exemple ......... , and a big part of your "culture" isn't your own culture , it is ours

[ran 0]

and who are you to give us a lesson with the shrt 250 years of existance of your country ?

[advocatexxx 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Because we have something that you don't and that is diversity of culture. Or perhaps I should just say culture. I know this might be hard for you to comperhend, but there are other things in the world besides economical benifits that one has to consider.<span id='postcolor'>

We'll buy Europe in a couple of years. Country by country. Probably the loser countries first. The ones that are hard to pronounce and no one really cares for. Then we'll spam the masses with such a convincing propaganda they'll begin to influence surrounding countries. Soon enough we'll have the Queen of England kissing our president's feet.

This has got to be the dumbest thing I've ever written.

[ran 0]

then we'll nuke you lol

advocate , go back sleeping , we were fine without you and your intelligent remarks

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

"Mais ca va au chalet ou bien?" Swiss response

Ahem, may I say what my point of view is? "

"NO, shut up Albert, go and leave!"

The USA is a better partner for the UK in basically any case. The USA is very determined in their political action and usually more flexible and speedy in their action. In terms of military I doubt there is anyone in the world willing to attack you if you are US's best friend. Especially since us europeans need to discuss for 5643 months before helping a friend

The best embarassing example is the genocide of Srebrenica: Dutch armed forces cant do anything against the Jugoslaw army and even have to pay the buses for the 5000 people being deported to their execution. Sorry Ran to say this but this time it was especially the french that boykotted the war against Jugoslawia due to their very old relation with the Serb-people. Do you think that would have happened if the USA would have been there instead of the dutch? I doubt it!

But since the UK are not located near the US but the European mainland the whole US-issue is nonesense. There is no other alternative: either alone or with europe. We are not talking about wars here cause I think the USA is willing to support most of us western nation, whether you are  located in Europe or on an island.

You take this whole discussion as if England joining Europe would mean some kind of merger. B.S.! We are not talking about anything else than making our markets and politics compatible. In other words it is nothing else than several computer producers agreeing to implement certain standards to facilitate the process (and favour the consumer). Nothing else, you could still smash german soccer fans, you could still enjoy a british symbol on your coins. Not much would be lost!

And corresponding to the size of the UK you would get quite a lot of votes in the european parliament. Enough to pressure those things you really want to keep your way!

And about German military. We got some good people and some good equipment. BUT IN GENERAL GERMANy SUCKS! Not because of the soldiers, not because of the training but because the german people in general have turned into total cowards: Ideological peace-keepers that dont understand that war can sometimes bring peace. What can a few good men do if the civillian majority doesnt let them do the work they are prepared for? A few decades ago the germans lost millions of soldiers and all thought it is for a good thing and now noone wants to risk a single life for a REALLY good thing. This great amount of loosers in our nation (especially imported from East germany) turns our country into a mudhole. And yes, I am happy to leave! (frustrations? Me? YES, OUR POLITICANS SUCK!

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I doubt there is anyone in the world willing to attack you if you are US's best friend. <span id='postcolor'> This is what bothers me, France and Britain are armed with nuclear weapons and powerful armed forces. There is no threat to them from any conventional attack.

So we see that it is a matter of wanting more power, not a defence isssue.

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ July 07 2002,18:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sorry Ran to say this but this time it was especially the french that boykotted the war against Jugoslawia due to their very old relation with the Serb-people. Do you think that would have happened if the USA would have been there instead of the dutch? I doubt it!<span id='postcolor'>

THE FRANCE BOYCOTTED THE WAR IN YOUGOSLAVIA ???

DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN SEBRENICA ??

the french generals and various chief at the head of the un administration of this region have given their authorisation to the support strikes , the only one who has fucked up was a foreign general by not accepting air support demands , and this general was ........ DUTCH

the dutch forces did as best as they could , some of the men of the dutch contingent have been killed , but somebody in the high commandement fucked up , french can't be in any case be taken as responsibles

the relations with serb people are now history , and this since 1993 and the first french intervention in this mess

[ran 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,18:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I doubt there is anyone in the world willing to attack you if you are US's best friend. <span id='postcolor'> This is what bothers me, France and Britain are armed with nuclear weapons and powerful armed forces. There is no threat to them from any conventional attack.

So we see that it is a matter of wanting more power, not a defence isssue.<span id='postcolor'>

our combinated armed forces (excludng nuclear wepons ) could be a great peace keeping force , your experience in asia , our experience in africa and our common experience in eastern europe would be of a great use , plus our big contingent and good materials

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ran @ July 07 2002,19:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 07 2002,18:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I doubt there is anyone in the world willing to attack you if you are US's best friend. <span id='postcolor'> This is what bothers me, France and Britain are armed with nuclear weapons and powerful armed forces. There is no threat to them from any conventional attack.

So we see that it is a matter of wanting more power, not a defence isssue.<span id='postcolor'>

our combinated armed forces (excludng nuclear wepons    ) could be a great peace keeping force , your experience in asia , our experience in africa and our common experience in eastern europe would be of a great use , plus our big contingent and good materials<span id='postcolor'>

I agree, but as seperate militarys. The British Army is such a proud and distinctive fighting force it would not surivive merger into a Euro Army.

European co-operation YES! European homogonisation NO!

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Albert Schweizer @ July 07 2002,18:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The USA is a better partner for the UK in basically any case. The USA is very determined in their political action and usually more flexible and speedy in their action. In terms of military I doubt there is anyone in the world willing to attack you if you are US's best friend. Especially since us europeans need to discuss for 5643 months before helping a friend

The best embarassing example is the genocide of Srebrenica: Dutch armed forces cant do anything against the Jugoslaw army and even have to pay the buses for the 5000 people being deported to their execution. Sorry Ran to say this but this time it was especially the french that boykotted the war against Jugoslawia due to their very old relation with the Serb-people. Do you think that would have happened if the USA would have been there instead of the dutch? I doubt it!

But since the UK are not located near the US but the European mainland the whole US-issue is nonesense. There is no other alternative: either alone or with europe. We are not talking about wars here cause I think the USA is willing to support most of us western nation, whether you are  located in Europe or on an island.<span id='postcolor'>

Sadly in the case of Ex-Yugoslavia the EU showed how impotent it is in international matters. This is only because of historical alliances that are still there. The biggest obstacle was the Franc-England-Russia pro Serb coallition coming in conflict with Germany pro Croatia (and implicitly Bosnia) that was very clear in the beginning.

However, in the EU England is a partner as opposed to with USA who dictates the rules all by itself. So better to cooperate with Germany then to obey orders from USA IMO.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">You take this whole discussion as if England joining Europe would mean some kind of merger. B.S.! We are not talking about anything else than making our markets and politics compatible. In other words it is nothing else than several computer producers agreeing to implement certain standards to facilitate the process (and favour the consumer). Nothing else, you could still smash german soccer fans, you could still enjoy a british symbol on your coins. Not much would be lost!

And corresponding to the size of the UK you would get quite a lot of votes in the european parliament. Enough to pressure those things you really want to keep your way!

<span id='postcolor'>

I think that one more thing is relevant here: Even if Britain would not gain anything by joining the EU per se, it would have much to loose by not joining. The EU, while advocating for open borders and free trade internally, is pretty isolationistic towards non-EU countries. If Britain would be outside the EU, it would very soon find its products boycotted and penalty taxed. It isn't fair, but it is the reality.

As we go to a global society with standardized products and markets across the globe we have to soberly realise that the European countries are nothing compared to the USA industry-wise. The EU is the only hope of us Europeans influencing how the global society will look like in the future. If we don't, it will all be as the Americans dictate. Now America provides many great product to the world but along with these a lot of shit is pumped out in a package deal. You want American computers? Fine, but you'll have to take McDonalds with it. The EU is our chance of building up a competing industry and by that influence the range of standardized products so they fit our cultural needs better.

That is also why I think that the pumping of money into poorer European countries is essential. I think that we should make a great effort to include the east European countries into EU. While some effort will be required to build up the infrastructure that the communist have destroyed for fifty years it will pay off. Those countries are not only new markets, but also rich in manpower, knowhow and natural resources. So I advocate a quick inclusion of the Baltic states, Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Romania and Hungary.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And about German military. We got some good people and some good equipment. BUT IN GENERAL GERMANy SUCKS! Not because of the soldiers, not because of the training but because the german people in general have turned into total cowards: Ideological peace-keepers that dont understand that war can sometimes bring peace. What can a few good men do if the civillian majority doesnt let them do the work they are prepared for? A few decades ago the germans lost millions of soldiers and all thought it is for a good thing and now noone wants to risk a single life for a REALLY good thing. This great amount of loosers in our nation (especially imported from East germany) turns our country into a mudhole. And yes, I am happy to leave! (frustrations? Me? YES, OUR POLITICANS SUCK!

<span id='postcolor'>

I disagree. I had the chance in Kosovo to get a feel for how the military of different European countries is. The French - ("Oh no, here come the Germans again")-French were a great surprise to me. They have by far the best equipped and competent soldiers that I have seen. The Germans come in as a good second. Very good organization, modern equipment and so on. The very sad surprise was the British who while very competent were under-equipped as hell. I wittnessed on several occasions how British units had to borrow equipment such as GPS recievers, laptop computers and satellite phones from the Russians. My advice to the British politicians would be to either increase the military budget or to cut down on the number of military personel.

[ran 0]

neither want i paratooper , i simply want a little more coordination and cooperations beetwen european armies

don't want an european army , i want cooperation between european armies

why do you always think that EU wants to merge everything ? it's not its goal , its goal is to make the cooperation between european countries more easy

did you like our VABs in kosovo denoir ?