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Before you talk about America's clown, talk about your own, Trudeau. I left Ottawa as soon as that French terrorist went into office, Putin is on the side of Trump - everyone knows that. So you're saying stopping strikes on ISIS and letting Islamics live on CFBs are the way to go? Dude thats fucking pathetic, right now no one wants to continue the mess in the Mid East. 

 

Even the Iraqi Government has had enough (or whatever was left since the U.S. invaded). I'm glad we are still keeping "advisers" there, but is 70 guys really enough? Trump will hold office, we'll see what unfolds, but from what I see so far is something people have been waiting for a long time, greater U.S. - Russia relations. I'm sure the libtard up north is going to be pissed, 

 

As for Libya I can't comment.

Well, firstly, the only reason Canada has a defensive stance on Russia is due to the US. For you to call our current leader a Terrorist is honestly quite sad. He's never terrorized anyone, and this only proves my thoughts on the term "terrorism" being far to easy to place on people for easier political manipulation. Canada wants closer relation with Russia, but the US won't let that happen, obviously, it would have major effects on our diplomatic situation here in North America AND in Europe. Your first statement also proves you simply don't know, or refuse to recognize the political history behind Canada and US relations. Please, don't comment on this unless you educate yourself. This is also the Syria topic, so lets continue.

 

Trump being on the side of Russia? If you watched the debate, it's clear he flip flopped on that aspect. That or he's just telling people what they want to hear. He's know for doing just that. He boasts about a wall (which won't work), but when he visited Mexico, he avoided all talks regarding it. Then when he returned, he resumed boasting about a wall... So lets say he's elected, and Syria ends up being in his hands to solve. It's going to be a disaster. His policies are simply horrible.

 

Also, i never said stop bombing Daesh (ISIL), i simply stated that the US and Russia have no choice but to work together for this situation to resolve itself. Their Super Power games must not continue, because it's the sole reason for this mess, look at history, it's that bloody simple. It's bright as daylight. No kidding no one wants this mess to continue, but that's also a part of the reason for these terror groups rising, is the US left Iraq early, before getting the job done right. They payed hard for that when they had to send in Special Forces to help retake Mosul Dam as well as keeping a small contingent in the country and also in Syria. It's mental to say "no boots on the ground" because you can't win a war like that, plain and simple. There has to be ground forces to make progress. But right now, at least, before the US and Russia clashed in Aleppo, we were doing good at stopping Daesh. Russia was doing it's part, US was doing it's part, until they collided. This is where the next turning point is. This is where you will begin to see Proxy war turn into possible direct conflicts between their backers. To be honest, it already happened when Turkey shot down a Russian jet, but lets be thankful that Russia is the one with restraint, at least for now. They've already stated that any further Russian forces who are harmed will result in resolute response. I intend not to find out what that entails.

 

Now, none of us can say how many advisers are truly in the country(s), because even if it's stated in paper or media, we honestly don't know. I also highly doubt the numbers are that small. But i do know things won't go well if the US and Russia keep butting heads as they are now. Clinton won't fix this, Trump certainly won't help either. These are facts. Looking at what Clinton has done, it's clear her actions related to the Arab Spring in the middle east in Egypt, Libya, and almost Syria, are sure fire signs she's not going to help the situation. He's the sole purpose terror is spreading in the region, it's like poison. Trump would, possibly, join forces with Russia, but keep in mind, the Obama Administration and the Pentagon are already pissed at each other because the Administration knows the Cease Fire helped the Russians and Syria, which also would allow for them to implement their pact which would have ensured a joint US/Russia anti terror force. This would have been great. But no one knows who attacked the UN convoy, or the 62+ Syrian troops which allowed Daesh to push forward and stop their advance. The Pentagon was furious as hell. So what happens next is anyone's guess. They need to work together and this mess can end sooner. The Longer this goes on, the worse it will get, and quite frankly, i don't think it matters anymore if the US gains influence in Syria at all. It's at that point where people are fed up with the war and it's puppet masters.

 

Oh, and a side note, keep in mind that a global conflict doesn't have to start in the middle of a war zone. There's so much going on that's connected to this war that can kick off at any point in the near or distant future. If you look at Greece and Europe, there are, frighteningly, extreme amounts of radical members forming parties in order to get into government and deal with the Migrant/Refugee crisis there themselves, in less than humane ways. This is also a possible and frightening turn of events that could start a massive conflict in Europe. It doesn't help with the constant Anti-religious manipulation by media.

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The only way to stop the war (or any war) is to get all the asshats that still want to fight, fully arm them, their families, relatives and loved ones, drop them into Syria fully surrounded by a bombardment ring that gets smaller over time and let them go at it. This includes all the backers and their support groups such as funding or materials support.

 

No one will stop the war until those pushing the agenda are front lined with all their family and own lives at stake. Soldiers are pawns for the hidden masters. 

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 Soldiers are pawns for the hidden masters. 

 

Those Masters aren't hidden at all, Syrian troops are leaded and armed by Iran, lot's of Iranian and Hezbollah soldiers are fighting alongside what's left of the Syrian army. Lot's of the original Syrian Army leaders and officers, coming from the Alawite Shia minority, have left and went back to defend their own towns. On the other side, Qatar and Saudi Arabia aren't hiding they are supporting several Sunnis Islamist factions. Turkey is now fighting alongside Turkmen militias.

 

And there, i haven't mentioned the USA nor Russia.

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And there, i haven't mentioned the USA nor Russia.

But you should given that's simply the history behind it. It's no longer something people can deny. You look at the past, and it's quite easy to see the Future. Here we are, with Russia and the US directly arguing over their proxies, because they both know. It's not even a Syrian Civil War anymore. It's two super powers fighting a war with another countries people, with regional support like the nations you mentioned on the side lines.

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In my opinion this journalists sums it up nicely, a brave person to speak out against the completely bullshit msm (fake news) who have lied from day one about this foreign invasion of terrorists on a sovereign country, really makes you question a lot of things...

 

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1 hour ago, ProfTournesol said:

Shortsighted analysis are always comfortable.

Considering shes been to Syria on numerous occasions including 4 times to Aleppo i fail to see where the shortsightedness is, unlike the BBC/CNN/Fox who always use the "Syrian Observatory for Human Rights" which is actually  one guy working from his 2 bedroom home in Coventry... yep, that is their source.

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On 12/13/2016 at 2:49 AM, ProfTournesol said:

Shortsighted analysis are always comfortable.

How many times you been to Syria, or the Middle East in recent years?

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It happens that a part of my family lived in Syria (under Assad's father regime), but that's not the subject. It's true that Daesh was created after the lame invasion of Irak by your country (which is then obviously responsible for all the mess in the middle East), by former Saddam's officers, and that Daesh in Syria is indeed a foreign legion of Islamists. That's why 'local' islamists have often fighted against Daesh, and rebels have ousted Daesh from Aleppo.

 

The best thing that ever happened to Assad in the war was Daesh, and he hardly ever fought them (looking at a map explains why), apart in Palmyra were SAA very quickly withdrew a first time. Once the whole world was shocked to to see what Daesh did in Palmyra and Raqqa, nobody (Usa and France included) ever said anymore that Assad regime should be removed before the fall of Daesh and Russia had hands free in Syria.

 

Summerizing the civil war in Syria by 'a foreign invasion of terrorists' is not only shortsighted, it's a convenient way for Assad (and its allies) to hide their numerous war crimes against its own population. Assad (father and son) are leading an extremely brutal regime, their mukhabarat are very well known to torture and execute any opponents, and way before the civil war. 70% of the Syrian population are Sunni's and were part of the revolution against Assad, whatever role the numerous foreign influence may have played (Qatar, Saudi Arabia and Turkey on the Sunni's side, Iran, Lebanese hezbollah and Russia on shia's side).

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Assad is only guy that guarantees rights of minorities 

apart from calling him such evil - in fact i see him as only chance there to allow to live Christians, Apostates, Atheists , Coptic Christians etc. 

 

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i do not know about those sources but it is possible

 

War in Syria looks like organized chaos to destroy Europe

NWO wants to destroy national traditional states, tradition, Christianity etc.  and to turn world into another USSR - country without borders ruled by oligarch-bureaucrats and corporations

how to do it?

by spoiling Europe and creating civil war - how to make it in peaceful Europeans ? by creating invasion of non-Europeans with totally opposite culture/values and foes to our values

it is natural that patriots from different countries one day shall rise against jihadist invaders who act like bandits on streets, 

and there will be civil war in which both sides will die - patriots and jihadists - those who remain will be obedient disarmed sheeps that obey NWO government and what corporations want

in time when Europe is invaded by hordes of jihadi invaders EU Comission want to ban legal weapons, want to make ACTA, TTIP, FACTA, CETA and all crap that benefits only small group of very very very rich people like George Soros 

this all would not happen without war in Syria - because this Syrian war started all that mess which now we see in EU and which in 10-15 years will end in serious bloodbath

so it is possible as there is big connection between what happens in Syria and what happens in EU (and than EU governments in west send troops to streets , keep alert-state, limit civil-rights, bigger surveilance, controll etc) 

 

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After the media were talking about the "Fall" of Aleppo and while the UN condemns Syria and Russia....

 

Aleppo battle: Rebels burn Syria evacuation buses (Dec. 18, 2016)

Several buses sent to transport the sick and injured from two government-held villages in Syria's Idlib province have been burned by rebels.

It has thrown the latest efforts to evacuate besieged areas into doubt.

 

The initial plan to evacuate the last rebel-held enclaves in the city collapsed on Friday, leaving civilians stranded at various points along the route out without access to food or shelter.

 

more....

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38358177

 

 

Some days ago the german SPIEGEL did write the following:  (google transl.)

 

Aleppo - Saved and expelled  (Dec. 15, 2016)

Tens of thousands of people to leave East Aleppo finally.

What praise Russia and the regime as a humanitarian gesture, is a targeted expulsion.

 

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The rulers and their allies in Russia and Iran have asked the trapped people in eastern Aleppo before a choice: either you take the green buses, or you are killed. It was also on the leaflets, which has dropped in recent weeks over the city Syrian Air Force.

 

.......

 

Therefore, the evacuation of people from eastern Aleppo only secondarily is a humanitarian gesture. It is primarily an expulsion and part of a strategy of the regime. Whenever dictator Assad leaves ancestors green buses, it comes to remove dissidents from strategic locations and to bring to other parts in the periphery.

 

 

Similar tactics as in the war in Yugoslavia

 

Virtually all sufferers of this expulsion are Sunnis, because they provide the vast majority of insurgents. Thus the tactics of the regime is similar to the so-called ethnic cleansing during the war in former Yugoslavia.

 

Then as now, this happens with the approval and support from Russia. The Kremlin was in the nineties behind the Serbs in the Bosnian war, and the Kremlin is now behind the Assad regime.

 

Moscow portrays herself as an initiator of the evacuation from Aleppo . Russia has been negotiating on the governments of Syria and Iran by the US and Turkey over the evacuation plan. And the Russian military observed the departure of buses from Aleppo with drones.

 

 

Full Text:

 

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/aleppo-baschar-al-assads-strategie-der-vertreibung-a-1126058.html

 

 

 

Ten days ago the UN did call for an evacuation plan for Aleppo.....

 

U.N. calls for Aleppo evacuation plan;...   (Reuters; Dec 8, 2016)

The United States and Russia must broker an evacuation from east Aleppo,

U.N. Syria humanitarian adviser Jan Egeland said on Thursday,

as a local politician warned that 150,000 people there faced "extermination".

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-aleppo-un-idUSKBN13X1DM

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The basic info comes from the reseau voltaire well known to be a close support of Hezbollah, Iran and is financed by Assad.

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An internal UN Report did shed some light about Syria a while ago, some news did report abut it. The article is

a bit older but maybe some of you did miss it.

 

 

United Nations (UN) internal Report:
Study o Humanitarian Impact of Syria-Related

Unilateral Restrictive Measures

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3114567-Study-on-Humanitarian-Impact-of-Syria-Related.html

 

 

US and EU sanctions are ruining ordinary Syrians' lives;... (The Independent; Oct. 2016)

The conflict in Syria is the greatest humanitarian crisis the world has seen since the Second World War

with 13 million people – two thirds of the population – in need of assistance

 

The US and EU economic sanctions on Syria are causing huge suffering among ordinary Syrians and preventing the delivery of humanitarian aid, according to a leaked UN internal report.

 

The embargo was supposed to target President Bashar al-Assad and contribute to his removal from power. Instead it is making it more difficult for foodstuffs, fuel and healthcare to reach the mass of the people. 

 

Aid agencies cited in the report say they cannot procure basic medicines or medical equipment for hospitals because sanctions are preventing foreign commercial companies and banks having anything to do with Syria.

 

The revelations in the internal UN assessment of the effect of sanctions on aid delivery, entitled Humanitarian Impact of Syria-Related Unilateral Restrictive Measures and leaked by the investigative publication The Intercept, open up the US and EU to the charge of hypocrisy, after criticising Syria and Russia for impeding the delivery of UN aid supplies to besieged cities in Syria.

 

Syria was once largely self-sufficient in pharmaceuticals, but many plants were in the Aleppo area and have been destroyed or rendered unusable by the fighting. The email says that many of the plants that survived have now been forced to close because of the impact of sanctions on obtaining raw materials from abroad and the foreign currency to pay for them. 

 

In many respects, the situation resembles that in Iraq between 1990 and 2003 when UN sanctions destroyed the Iraqi economy and helped dissolve its society while doing nothing to reduce the power of Saddam Hussein as Iraqi leader. Many critics of Iraqi sanctions argue that the mass impoverishment they produced contributed significantly to the political and sectarian breakdown after the invasion of 2003. 

 

The same process is now taking place in Syria.

 

The report says that “in totality, the US and EU sanctions in Syria are some of the most complicated and far-reaching sanctions regimes ever imposed.”

 

In effect, the US and EU sanctions are imposing an economic siege on Syria as a whole which may be killing more Syrians than die of illness and malnutrition in the sieges which EU and US leaders have described as war crimes.

 

more details....

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/syria-syrian-war-us-eu-sanctions-bashar-al-assad-patrick-cockburn-a7350751.html

 

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Yes, those kinds of sanctions are always counter productive, they were disastrous in Irak against Saddam regime.

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John Kerry In Leaked Audio Admits U.S. Allowed Rise Of ISIS To Force Assad Out Of Power

 

 

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