Syria - What should we do if anything?

[sudayev 27]

Massive pounding jihadists are getting have caused them to shave their beards, pick up their "refugee" outfits with iphones and head to Germany. 

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3279094/A-close-shave-Terrified-jihadists-leave-BEARDS-battlefield-shave-faces-dress-women-flee-Syria.html

[spooky lynx 73]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWxseLJfB5w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULsdggZDRCU

[sudayev 27]

 

Some war footage, it probably contains some ARMA if not OFP footage!   :D

 

But... Tell me what sort of bomb went off in 10:00??? it's fucking massive and looks almost like a mini nuke.

[x3kj 1247]

 

Tell me what sort of bomb went off in 10:00??? it's fucking massive and looks almost like a mini nuke.

wouldnt surprise me if they test out new toys... aka thermobaric warheads (not to be confused with thermonuclear^^). Idk if very powerfull ones would look that way. Then again... video editing and that stuff is also a possibility. Tactical Ballistic missiles can pack a little bit more of a punch then ordinary aircraft bombs.

 

Edit: it could be from another conflict

it might have been a huge ammo dump actually. Considering that there is so much footage from so many camera angles, there must have been stuff before this event in the area, so this seems more likely. Otherwise there would be no way that so many people just happen to point their camera in this direction filming "the environment" just in time for a nuke to strike. Also, in footage that goes on longer after the big explosion, you can hear the continuing rumble and some bigger explosions after it, so it must be that.

[d_lukin 16]

Russian Ministry of Defense: The presence of aerial vehicles in the air space of Syria has increased

 

 

MQ-9 Reaper

[oxmox 73]

biggest turkish newspaper, Zaman,  reports the following:

Members of biggest opposition Party (CHP) about  investigations of Turkeys involvement in the toxic sarin gas attacks in 2013, Syria.

 

 

CHP deputies: Gov’t rejects probe into Turkey’s role in Syrian chemical attack ( Zaman; Oct. 21)

 

Two deputies from the main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) have claimed that the government is against investigating Turkey's role in sending toxic sarin gas which was used in an attack on civilians in Syria in 2013 and in which over 1,300 Syrians were killed.

 

CHP deputies Eren Erdem and Ali Åžeker held a press conference in Ä°stanbul on Wednesday in which they claimed the investigation into allegations regarding Turkey's involvement in the procurement of sarin gas which was used in the chemical attack on a civil population and delivered to the terrorist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) to enable the attack was derailed.

 

Taking the floor first, Erdem stated that the Adana Chief Prosecutor's Office launched an investigation into allegations that sarin was sent to Syria from Turkey via several businessmen. An indictment followed regarding the accusations targeting the government.

 

"The MKE [Turkish Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation] is also an actor that is mentioned in the investigation file. Here is the indictment. All the details about how sarin was procured in Turkey and delivered to the terrorists, along with audio recordings, are inside the file," Erdem said while waving the file.

 

Erdem also noted that the prosecutor's office conducted detailed technical surveillance and found that an al-Qaeda militant, Hayyam Kasap, acquired sarin, adding: "Wiretapped phone conversations reveal the process of procuring the gas at specific addresses as well as the process of procuring the rockets that would fire the capsules containing the toxic gas. However, despite such solid evidence there has been no arrest in the case. Thirteen individuals were arrested during the first stage of the investigation but were later released, refuting government claims that it is fighting terrorism," Erdem noted.

 

The purpose of the attack was allegedly to provoke a US military operation in Syria which would topple the Assad regime in line with the political agenda of then-Prime Minister Recep Tayyip ErdoÄŸan and his government.

 

He also underlined that all of the files and evidence from the investigation show a war crime was committed within the borders of the Turkish Republic.

 

"The investigation clearly indicates that those people who smuggled the chemicals required to procure sarin faced no difficulties, proving that Turkish intelligence was aware of their activities. While these people had to be in prison for their illegal acts, not a single person is in jail. Former prime ministers and the interior minister should be held accountable for their negligence in the incident," Åžeker further commented.

 

However, Erdem is not the only figure who has accused Turkey of possible involvement in the gas attack. Pulitzer Prize winner and journalist, Seymour M. Hersh, argued in an article published in 2014 that MÄ°T was involved with extremist Syrian groups fighting against the Assad regime.

 

In his article, Hersh said Assad was not behind the attack, as claimed by the US and Europe, but that Turkish-Syrian opposition collaboration was trying to provoke a US intervention in Syria in order to bring down the Assad regime.

 

 

 

Over 1,300 people were killed in the sarin gas attack in Ghouta and several other neighborhoods near the Syrian capital of Damascus, with the West quickly blaming the regime of Bashar al-Assad and Russia claiming it was a "false flag" operation aimed at making US military intervention in Syria possible.

 

 

http://www.todayszaman.com/national_chp-deputies-govt-rejects-probe-into-turkeys-role-in-syrian-chemical-attack_402180.html

[pulstar 55]

At least 70 people killed in Syria missile attack, report says

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/middle-east/at-least-70-people-killed-in-syria-missile-attack-report-says-1.2413069

 

So many dead, will anyone be left to do a bodycount?

[tacticalnuggets 24]

Support assad, re-stabilize region. The assad atrocities are made up. Numerous investigations have revealed propaganda by NATO and saudi arabia sources. For instance, the "bakery" incident was actually a town hall with a bakery on the first level, and an absurd number of men as a percentage of casualties were killed. So many so that you would question whether it was actually a civilian target (just going by todays bigotry towards women around the world sorry). Which is confirmed by the fact black flags were flown on the building. The black flags being flown on a civilian building were itself a war crime, this whole story is bogus (that assad committed the war crime here). The initial responder even posted strangely false accounts. His accounts did not match his flim (showed him on the back of a truck, ect). The other accounts of assad war crimes follow the same broken pattern. Wish somebody would realize this whole rebellion and nato propaganda campaign is a farce. 

[ProfTournesol 956]

_{(BBC News) Syria conflict: Russia says keeping Assad 'not crucial'}

 

_{Saying anything then the contrary is now typical of Russian diplomacy.}

[pulstar 55]

How long can Iran and Russia prop up this archaic Cold war-era regime? China has kept its puppet in NK, but at least there isn't actual civil war between various ethnic groups.

[d_lukin 16]

How long can Iran and Russia prop up this archaic Cold war-era regime? China has kept its puppet in NK, but at least there isn't actual civil war between various ethnic groups.

Cold war era regime in Russia? I think you have obsolete data.

In Russia more than 20 years is present oligarchic capitalism. About Iran i have no data.

[danil-ch 165]

He probably talked about Syria.

[spooky lynx 73]

How long can Iran and Russia prop up this archaic Cold war-era regime? China has kept its puppet in NK, but at least there isn't actual civil war between various ethnic groups.

Look at what is happening in Libya after fall of Quaddafi and you will realise that such 'archaic Cold war-era' regime is the only solution here.

[sudayev 27]

Looks like someone is getting some heat from thermometric missiles

 

[ProfTournesol 956]

Looks like someone is getting some heat from thermometric missiles

 

 

That thing is frightening.

[d_lukin 16]

Media reported about transfer to Syria  russian "Buk-m2e (export version of buk-m2)" and "Pantsir-S1" [ru]       

[billa17 0]

Local politicians, on the left, do not support the U.S. stepping in with missiles aimed at punishing the Syrian leadership for killing its own innocent civilians. They call for a debate in Parliament on the whole question of Syria, and many, such as MP Kennedy Stewart, see the issue as much more complicated and broader. On a local humanitarian level, MP Peter Julian sees immigrant families who are worried about their relatives in Syria - or new immigrants who want to get their relatives out of the quagmire. He also hopes that Canada will pitch in with more humanitarian aid as the countries refugees languish in camps that are appalling. 

 

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[vilas 473]

you not translated ;) but as i understood, now US want to get troops there 

[ProfTournesol 956]

Another very interesting report from Vice News about Al Nusra, the Syrian Al Qaeda branch. Quite graphic at the end, but overall showing how young kids are brainwashed and prepared to die as martyrs in the future, playing in some sort of postapocalyptic zoo. It also shows the fate of prisoners in the war (where everybody is fighting for God...jihad vs jihad vs jihad...), and how Assad troops are sometimes abandoned by the regime.

[St. Jimmy 272]

Another very interesting report from Vice News about Al Nusra, the Syrian Al Qaeda branch. Quite graphic at the end, but overall showing how young kids are brainwashed and prepared to die as martyrs in the future, playing in some sort of postapocalyptic zoo. It also shows the fate of prisoners in the war (where everybody is fighting for God...jihad vs jihad vs jihad...), and how Assad troops are sometimes abandoned by the regime.

The race divide between studying children is pretty interesting.

 

/Wow that 30:40. That's just crazy. Well I bet the kid will wear the belt/vest in the future then if he has decided that already that young.

[altis 12]

WARNING: RANT AHEAD

 

This war on terror or more specifically the Islamic State is interesting, these obviously are not some freedom fighting rag tag insurgents fighting foreign invaders, they are foreign backed invaders themselves whom are close to, if not indeed, a professional army who seem to obviously have the backing of some very big players, where does the money flow to and from? its hard to believe that these transactions are not traceable, also how are these mercenaries able to enter Syria with such ease? what borders do they flow through? if the world was righteous then who should we really bomb? also is it not against international law to arm and support a (foreign) militia fighting against a sovereign government in its own country or something along those lines, how has this war been able to continue for so long?

 

Im currently fascinated with the media, or both the media and governments reactions to terror, its a tragedy at what has happened in Paris, but the same thing also just happened in Beirut (a day or two before?), but as reported by western media it was a "Hezbollah strong hold" so seemingly a legitimate target, no matter that all who were killed and injured were civilians, and what about Syrians, they have faced and lived through horrifying terror for four fukn years, beheadings were the norm, but we in the west were are like 'eeeww thats horrible... so ahh, whens the new iPhone coming out' as if we had just seen some holloween movie, but as soon as a Westerner gets beheaded... "Lets go to war", suicide bombings and murder also happen in Africa seemingly every other day but we dont mourn that, because its true that Arab and African and other indigenous lives do not matter in the 'west', its just the way it is, and im sure the same would happen if the roles were reversed.

 

When i was young i really looked up to America and believed they were "the good guys" who helped beat "the bad guys" i wanted to be a cowboy and marine, now im old and fucken jaded and understand ive simply been brainwashed by hollywood... i look at the presidential race and find it hard to distinguish between that and Americas got talent, the same one liners, the same speeches every year, every decade but you just know that its all about the war at the end of the day :(

 

Speaking about the end of the day... out of all this mess and all who are fighting in it i respect the Syrian army, they have fought and continue to fight every foreign terrorist on the planet it seems, they are fighting for their homeland, respect and honor to them.. i know that the 'International media' are disgusted with "BARREL BOMBS" but lets consider, how different is that to say the IDF bombing schools and hospitals as a 'method' to turning the populace against its fighting force? (heard on Aljazeera, sorry if wrong but happy to discuss civilian casualties from any conflict) i dont think the SAA are simply targeting there own civilians, more they target the terrorists who hide among them, anyway they, the soldiers on the ground are the true heroes of this tragic story imho.

 

I admit ive had a couple of beers and simply ranting i guess, but i think as humans we are completely fucked lol, we dont have communities any more where anything is verified, we have online communities were nothing is verified except our passwords, we dont follow leaders anymore, now we are led by money hungry wolves, theres no turning back, its too big, theres no revolution, only conquer(the populace) or collapse... its the dollar man, thats what defines us, even in church right?

[spooky lynx 73]

There are hundreds of photos showing so-called Free Syrian army rebels preparing positions or firing from civilian houses that were left by inhabitants with all the stuff (clothes, furniture, household appliances etc.). So it's not surprise that some civilians were killed after retaliation strikes from govt troops. Common way of 'fighting' among pro-western rebels, during first Chechen war there were many cases of rebels putting mortars, heavy MGs or AA guns on the roof or in the yard of schools, kindergartens or block houses. They made a couple of shots and ran away. Army returned fire, and then 'free press' and 'civil activists' arrived and moaned about evil army troops destroying civil houses and killing innocents.

[altis 12]

So who arms these guys, who buys their oil?? where does the supply line lead? they are not terrorists but a professional proxy army, proxy to whom?  

[St. Jimmy 272]

So who arms these guys, who buys their oil?? where does the supply line lead? they are not terrorists but a professional proxy army, proxy to whom?  

Well the money supply comes likely from the middle east. So many rich people and countries in there. Everyone buys their oil. NATO and Russia has supplied weapons either directly (before they were "bad") or indirectly (captured from the backed troops or Iraq). ISIS has some Syria and Iraq border controlled so they can flow through that way in either country. Both of the countries likely has many fighters who like ISIS and neighbor countries can supply more same minded troops. Just like Ukraine, rebels had people all around the world and so does ISIS. Some people have no choice other than die or live under the control.

 

https://news.vice.com/video/the-islamic-state-full-length

[oxmox 73]

U.S. Warplanes Strike ISIS Oil Trucks in Syria (NYT; Nov 16)

 

Intensifying pressure on the Islamic State, United States warplanes for the first time attacked hundreds of trucks on Monday that the extremist group has been using to smuggle the crude oil it has been producing in Syria, American officials said.

 

Until Monday, the United States refrained from striking the fleet used to transport oil, believed to include more than 1,000 tanker trucks, because of concerns about causing civilian casualties. As a result, the Islamic State’s distribution system for exporting oil had remained largely intact.

 

 

According to an initial assessment, 116 trucks were destroyed in the attack, which took place near Deir al-Zour, an area in eastern Syria that is controlled by the Islamic State.

American officials have long been frustrated by the ability of the Islamic State to generate tens of million of dollars a month by producing and exporting oil.

 

To disrupt that revenue source, American officials said last week that the United States had sharply stepped up its airstrikes against infrastructure that allows the Islamic State to pump oil in Syria.

 

To reduce the risk of harming civilians, two F-15 warplanes dropped leaflets about an hour before the attack warning drivers to abandon their vehicles, and strafing runs were conducted to reinforce the message.

 

The area where the trucks assemble in Syria has been closely monitored by reconnaissance drones. As many as 1,000 trucks have been observed there, waiting to receive their cargo of illicit oil.

 

The strike came just days after Kurdish and Yazidi fighters, backed by American airstrikes, cut an important road, Highway 47, that the Islamic State has used to move supplies and fighters between Syria and Mosul, Iraq’s second-largest city, which was captured by the militant group last year.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/world/middleeast/us-strikes-syria-oil.html?_r=0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@ Why did they wait more than a year with taking out the supply route of the Islamic State.

    What about the money transfers, why cant banks not stop it ?

 

 

 

So who arms these guys, who buys their oil?? where does the supply line lead? they are not terrorists but a professional proxy army, proxy to whom?

 

 

The Guardian did report last year about IS Oil routes from Syria.

 

The Guardian Report (Nov. 2014):

 

Coalition air strikes have not stopped the militant group from earning millions of dollars a week from its Iraqi oil operations

 

Islamic State has consolidated its grip on oil supplies in Iraq and now presides over a sophisticated smuggling empire with illegal exports going to Turkey, Jordan and Iran, according to smugglers and Iraqi officials.

 

Coalition air strikes against tankers and refineries controlled by Isis have merely dented – rather than halted – these exports, it adds.

 

From early July until late October, most of this oil went to Iraqi Kurdistan. The self-proclaimed Islamic caliphate sold oil to Kurdish traders at a major discount. From Kurdistan, the oil was resold to Turkish and Iranian traders. These profits helped Isis pay its burgeoning wages bill: $500 (£320) a month for a fighter, and about $1,200 for a military commander.

 

But oil is still finding its way to Turkey via Syria, with Islamic State deftly switching from one market to another, smugglers say, with cheap crude channelled to Jordan instead.

 

On Monday, a UN panel urged countries neighbouring Iraq and Syria to seize oil trucks that continue to flow out from jihadist-occupied territory.

 

 

 

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/19/-sp-islamic-state-oil-empire-iraq-isis