Saudi Arabia threatens to 'go nuclear' if Iran gets the bomb.

[eble 3]

Interesting or not, Saudi's to buy nukes off the shelf....

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/saudi-arabia-threatens-to-go-nuclear-in-weeks-if-iran-gets-bomb/story-e6frfku0-1226267920647

[Tonci87 163]

And thats how shit beginns

[ProfTournesol 956]

And thats how shit beginns

Well, yes and no. "Saudi Arabia threatens to go nuclear 'in weeks' if Iran gets bomb". But IF Iran gets the bomb, Israel will take care of them before.

[Dwarden 1125]

actually if they all get the bombs, stalemate will occur and everyone lives in peace in the region

in other words no-one want to be extinct specie :)

[ProfTournesol 956]

actually if they all get the bombs, stalemate will occur and everyone lives in peace in the region

in other words no-one want to be extinct specie :)

Moreover, nuking the Gulf region would mean nuking the world main oil reserves and bring back everybody to the stone age (well, pre-20th century state).

[PELHAM 10]

Hmmm Pakistan spreading nuclear weapons technology again? That's how Iran got started on a weapons program in the first place along with Iraq, Libya and North Korea. Oh well at least someone will be getting rich out of all this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan#North_Korea_and_Iran

[Tonci87 163]

actually if they all get the bombs, stalemate will occur and everyone lives in peace in the region

in other words no-one want to be extinct specie :)

Possible, but I bet that even then Oil Companys will take this as an excuse to introduce higher gas prices...

[gammadust 12]

"Politically, it would be completely unacceptable to have Iran with a nuclear capability and not the kingdom."

This is how grown ups compare peens...

[PELHAM 10]

It's deeper than that, with nuclear weapons Iran could successfully blockade the Gulf. If Saudi also has nuclear weapons they could push back conventionally with less fear of a nuclear attack as they could respond in a similar way. Nothing about it is good for oil prices. It's not just Israel that is troubled about the Iranian nuclear weapons program, it affects everyone in the region. When Iran was threatening to blockade the Straits of Hormuz last month, King Fahd looked most unhappy about it. You may remember there was a round of state visits at the time, it was cover for policy and war planning.

Edited February 10, 2012 by PELHAM

[gammadust 12]

"Politically" being the keyword when one is talking about going bomb nuclear.

Not so sure it is required to be "nuclear" for Iran to be able to shut Homuz out, though.

I have to give in though... when I played chess, whenever pushing pieces for a stalemate... always most of the time found myself victor.

[walker 0]

Hi all

Pakistan has been a vassal state of Saudi Arabia for some time that was always part of the Wahhabi Al Qaeda plan. I pointed it out many times in several threads, today I get to say I told you so.

Kind regards walker

[VanhA-ICON 11]

Sabre rattling, eh?

Maybe they've just watched too many action films?

Tomorrow they announce "going apeshit all over the area" or "going bananas with Iran"

[mrcash2009 0]

Dont worry this will just effect oil and supplies and crash economy for the west, then we can all hate who we get told did this via TV and have wars with them and join up, which in turn will help the economy again, plus it will give jobless youngsters employment.

Fun times.

[Nicholas 5]

Dont worry this will just effect oil and supplies and crash economy for the west, then we can all hate who we get told did this via TV and have wars with them and join up, which in turn will help the economy again, plus it will give jobless youngsters employment.

Fun times.

Oil isn't used for just gasoline and engine oil. Oil is also used in making plastics and various synthetic items. It will effect the whole damn world if our supply of oil runs low.

Synthetic shoes are made from a petroleum product. Many rubber soles are also made from petroleum. Natural rubber becomes sticky when hot and stiff when cold, but man-made rubber stays much more flexible. Car tires are made from synthetic rubber, which makes them much safer to drive on. Today, the demand for synthetic rubber is four-times greater than for natural rubber.

Fertilizers increase crop yields, as well as make the plants in your windowsill look nice. Some of the chemicals in this fertilizer came from petroleum products.

Pesticides are among the many chemicals that my be used to protect crops. Much like fertilizers, oil is an important ingredient in many pesticides. Some people think that our food production would only be half of what it is today if pesticides were not used. Without the use of pesticides, food would cost much more than at present, and many people would have to pay more to eat nutritious meals.

The plastic of the bandage is made from oil. Also, the non-stick pad that covers the wound is man-made cloth which is manufactured from petrochemicals. The medical industry relies heavily on oil-based products to improve much of their equipment and medicine.

Compact discs and casette tapes ae made using petroleum products. All plastic products (many of the materials used to make the clothes you wear, or the carpet you walk on, plus hundreds of the other products we take for granted) are made from petrochemicals. As the name implies, a main ingredient in petrocehmicals is oil.

The color of most pen ink is the result of dyes. These dyes are made from petrochemicals.

Through refining, petroleum can be turned into many types of petrochemicals. One of these is synthetic (man-made) fibers, which can be woven into curtains and carpets. Man-made fibers are often wrinkle-free, so they look better. Many also do not absorb water, so mold and mildew are much less of a nuisance.

Some medicines, such as penicillin, are made by organisms, but most are manufactured from chemicals, and many of these are made from petroleum products. Acetylsalicylic acid, or ASA, is the active ingredient in many of the well-known, over-the-counter pain relievers. ASA is manufactured from petrochemicals. One of the first uses of oil, dating back thousands of years, was as medicine. Other early uses included illumination and as a boat resin to help keep ships sea-worthy.

Detergents are substances that act as cleansing agents when mixed with water. There are two main types of detergents: soapy and soapless. Most soapless detergents are made from oil products. The soapless detergents include powders and liquids used to wash clothes and dishes in a dishwasher. Some are made using petrochemicals, while others are made using alcohols and ethylene oxide that are petrochemical products.

Ethylene is one of the byproducts of distilling oil. (Distilling simply means heating. Since oil is made of various substances, these substances will boil off at different temperatures as oil is heated). It can be made softer and used for film and garbage bags, or harder to make milk crates.

A candle is made from wax. Wax is a raw petroleum product. It is used to make candles, milk cartons and polishes.

You will probably be surprised to know that a plastic bottle is made from the same petrochemical as the fiber we call polyester!

All plastic products, many of the materials used to make the clothes you wear, or the carpet you walk on, plus hundreds of the other products we take for granted, are made from petrochemicals. As the name implies, a main ingredient in petrochemicals is oil.

[Dwarden 1125]

actually we can now make plastic out of non-fosil resources too (organic for example) so it would not be end of world as we know it

the problem is that world relies too much on the oil and coal ... there is no balance (nuclear energy not used enough hence no cheap electricity)

[Nicholas 5]

actually we can now make plastic out of non-fosil resources too (organic for example) so it would not be end of world as we know it

the problem is that world relies too much on the oil and coal ... there is no balance (nuclear energy not used enough hence no cheap electricity)

Not many companies are using organic plastics yet. I know the water I like to buy in bottles is made 100% from organic materials. Yet, I do not see many other bottle companies following the lead. I wonder if using organic materials may be more expensive, but I'm not sure.

The problem is no one has yet come up with a logical, inexpensive solution in the event that our oil completely runs out.

Edited February 10, 2012 by Nicholas

[onlyrazor 11]

Shit, about time I get to work on that fallout shelter.

[Nicholas 5]

Shit, about time I get to work on that fallout shelter.

The Ballistic Missile Defense System

[onlyrazor 11]

The Ballistic Missile Defense System

Still, it's a sensible investment. Better safe than SORRYIATETHELASTWAFFLE.

[soul_assassin 1750]

so everyone believed the very assumption hearsay and missed the main line of the article:

Both Saudi Arabia and Pakistan have denied the existence of any such agreement.

[Nicholas 5]

so everyone believed the very assumption hearsay and missed the main line of the article:

Read through the posts....you'll see a lot of "If".

[onlyrazor 11]

so everyone believed the very assumption hearsay and missed the main line of the article:

Stalin denied performing purges. He still did it.

[spec_ops_sniper 0]

LOL, I spent most of my childhood in Saudi Arabia, they can't even run a functioning airforce how are they supposed to run a nuclear weapons program?

[walker 0]

LOL, I spent most of my childhood in Saudi Arabia, they can't even run a functioning airforce how are they supposed to run a nuclear weapons program?

Hi all

In reply to Spec_Ops_Sniper, educational and motivational failure are what one would expect of a society based on a religion like Wahhabism, a feudal political system, and an overabundance of cash from a single source economy.

That the Wahhabis' think they sufficiently control Pakistan that they can unveil the threat is somewhat disturbing. The fact that they had Bin Laden protected in Abbottabad Pakistan's equivalent of Sandhurst or West Point is certainly an indicator but perhaps the control ofi Pakistan the Wahhabis' have is not as much as they think.

The psychology of the Wahhabi state also makes them the one nation that is certain to use the bomb.

That single source economy is already dying. That is why other sources of energy are increasingly matching it. Oil as an energy source will be in a terminal spiral of decline within five years. Do the math, technical analysis, on the price of alternative energy source prices, hint you will need to use a logarithmic scale.

Even when they realise the implications and try to drop the price to sell as much as they can to slow the take up of cleaner competitors, the maximum they will gain is another year and that assumes they are totaly cut throat about it and that the speculators get fooled for sufficient time for some of the excess to be dumped with them before they realise the strategy, that last is very doubtful.

The country is a bunch of lotus eaters who have been gobbling oil profits for the past century or so and who have not put a penny in to any other industry in all that time. Unlike Iran one has to say, which has a very educated workforce and masses of it own industry right up to and including its own space and satellite program, but also robotics, computers and materials science companies, vehicles and even aircraft companies.

When the oil money runs out the imaginary friend types will will take over in Saudi Arabia and shortly after one of the most strident of them will come to the conclusion that the imaginary friend told them to rain down fire on the unbelievers in the imaginary friend.

Disturbing announcement Walker

Edited February 12, 2012 by walker

[PELHAM 10]

LOL, I spent most of my childhood in Saudi Arabia, they can't even run a functioning airforce how are they supposed to run a nuclear weapons program?

That is something that crossed my mind but I didn't want to suggest it first. Nuclear weapons obviously need a specific kind of knowledge regarding safe storage, handling and maintenance. Doubly so when attached to a missile that needs very specific care of it's own and Plutonium itself is Pyrophoric, (spontaneously combusts in air).

I was reminded of a tale from Gulf War 1 where Saudi Tanks went rushing up towards the Iraqi border and promptly broke down and wouldn't start. Some US armoured troops happened to be passing and eventually discovered the engine air filters were completely clogged with dust and sand. The filters had never been changed and the troops didn't know how, lack of training. I don't know if things are still that bad but lets hope Saudi nuclear technicians will have better training.

Nuclear accidents are a fascinating read BTW:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SL-1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoli_Bugorski

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokaimura_nuclear_accident

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Thule_Air_Base_B-52_crash

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_Disaster

Edited February 11, 2012 by PELHAM