Aliens and UFOs

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[soul_assassin 1723]

Just like I don't believe in evolution. There is NOT evidence to suggest that we came from apes. Because you can't explain why there are no intermediate species between humans and apes. Nor is there explanation of what happened to the intermediate species, and why there are ONLY the "original" apes and us.

Well thats why it is a theory, because there is no 100% proof. However you are wrong to say that there is NO evidence. Plenty of intermediate species have been found, and I am sure some more will be found eventually. We are just talking about such ancient times, its hard to believe any are being found at all. And its not only evolution of humans, but of all living things. In Russia they even demonstrated that a wild fox evolves (physically, changing color, curled tails, some bones bigger, some smaller, as well as behaviorally, genetic supression of agression, evolution of communication) after just 9 generations in domestic conditions. Noone said that the apes living now are the same as the "original" apes, simply that we have a common ancestor. The modern ape is just a separate branch of evolution.

This "Starchild" is just an attempt by the Ancient Astronaut group to support their point when they really have no support for their theory at all. Oh, by the way, Starchild:

NOT aliens, although these HUMAN babies have severe genetic problems.

well your Hydrocephalus theory also absolutely holds no truth as it does in no way explain the chemical composition of the scull, its thickness, presence of unidentified materials and most importantly the unidentified sequence of 342 base pairs in its DNA. Or maybe you don't believe in DNA as well? The basic Ancient Alien theory is sound, I mean all they are trying to do is really call to attention very peculiar similarities in world mythologies, architecture and civilizations and in most cases they do present compelling case. Yes of course you can counter-argue with some non-alien theory as well, but by same argument of lack of evidence, this new theory would be just as invalid as the alien one.

[lo0se 10]

Just like I don't believe in evolution. There is NOT evidence to suggest that we came from apes. Because you can't explain why there are no intermediate species between humans and apes. Nor is there explanation of what happened to the intermediate species, and why there are ONLY the "original" apes and us.

Sorry bud, but your understanding of evolution is flawed. The hypothesis isn't that we came from apes, the hypothesis is that apes and humans came from a common ancestor. We know that we had a common ancestor because of genetic similarities. When I say genetic similarity i'm not only talking about physical characteristics, i'm talking about how the majority of our genes are similar, similarities that can only be there if we shared them at one point in time. Much like how you have genetic similarities to your birth parents that could only come from them.

The theory of evolution is that all life on earth had a common ancestor. Evolution is also referred to as "Decent with Modification." That explains why our genes are similar, but not the same.

The easiest example would be dog breeding.

Back in the 1800's German Sheppards then were very different from the ones today. Breeders wanted to improve them to make them a better working dog so they crossed those German Sheppards with other dogs that were more intelligent, physically stronger, more agile, etc. After generations of dog breeding they got a dog that had favorable mix of traits from previous dogs, and thus today's German Sheppard was born. Today's German Sheppards have all those characteristics, being extremely intelligent, agile, and strong, and are often called the perfect working dog, which is why the military and law enforcement love them. The breeding process can be called evolution, but some will argue that evolution can only occur in nature. Semantics, as both processes are very similar.

Our evolution may not be as direct as the German Sheppards, since we know that Homo Sapiens (anatomically modern humans) and Neanderthals (Extinct Subspecies of Homo Sapiens) came from a common ancestor (Australopithecus Garhi) that looked nothing like an ape and neither did their ancestor. In fact, there are probably a dozen different species, and hundreds of thousands of years between the species that humans and apes shared. But it's there.

If you wish, I can go into more detail about the different kinds of evolution like natural selection, mutation, etc.

Edited February 1, 2012 by lo0se

[max power 21]

Don't feed the trolls.

[PuFu 4591]

Don't feed the trolls.

feed the aliens.. ;)

[NoRailgunner 0]

...steal the UFO's! :cylon:

[Mark1028 10]

To evrybody: I am not a troll. I am serious and say seriously, that the aliens visited us.

And i believe that, the dinosaurs continued their evolution and reached the intelligent phase.

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I saw deformed skulls, but those elongated skull are clearly looks like aliens.

http://reinep.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/anunnaki-skulls-naturally-elongated.jpg

The left skull is a deformed, elongated human skull but the right skull is clearly the remain of one alien.

[maddogx 13]

It's okay, we totally believe you.

I occasionally go out cow-probing with my alien buddies. Those bubble-headed bastards really dig that shit.

[Tonci87 163]

It's okay, we totally believe you.

I occasionally go out cow-probing with my alien buddies. Those bubble-headed bastards really dig that shit.

LMAO :D

Well I guess there is life on some other planet, and maybe we will be the first to visit their planet and destroy everything (mankind has a tradition of doing stuff like that. Just ask the american natives).

[Nicholas 5]

Who says aliens even have skulls? As I said before, "aliens" or other life forms may come in ways that we cannot even imagine.

It's just stereotypical I guess. Everyone believes that aliens would have big heads and eyes. But says who? There is no genuine proof except some photo's, which anybody could have easily faked.

[-martin- 10]

And i believe that, the dinosaurs continued their evolution and reached the intelligent phase.

I saw some dinosaur skeletons in a museum and they were HUGE. If they did evolve in to the intelligent phase, where are they hiding? ;)

[Mark1028 10]

I think they left the Earth. Some scients speculated about the intelligent dinosaurs / reptoids.

What about the abductions? What do you think about the story of Barney an Betty hill?

[walker 0]

Hi all

BALLS!

:eek:

In fact to be precise blue balls.

Kind regards walker

[froggyluv 2130]

Hehe, aliens...kind of a funny story.

I have an Aunt who claims to have seen one plain as day in rural Pennsylvania back in the 50's being chased by US jets until it made an abrupt vertical ascent at 90 degrees. She became pretty much consumed by what she claims to have seen and convinced me to do a report on then for my 7th grade required 10 page report -it turned into 72 pages!! Funnier still is that with my little tape recorder and microphone I interviewed and recorded 'close encounter witnesses' at the local AA meeting house; thats Alcoholics Anoynomous... When my expert failed to show for our last interview, all agreed either the Men in Black had finally nabbed him OR full scale abduction had occurred...

Note to future seventh graders following in my path -don't try to impress your friends/girls with your expert knowledge of alien spacecraft magentic propulsion systems.

Edit: sorry for the odd paragraphing -cant seem to fix.

[-martin- 10]

What about the abductions?

Hmm it’s difficult to trust anyone in this world about legitimate matters yet alone abductions by aliens. To tell you the truth I can't say that a person didn't see them/get abducted but I can’t accept it too because it never happened to me and there is not enough proof to prove that this ever happened to anyone else, it’s a lot like religion. I think most of the people say stories like that for attention/ to get paid, some of them might be a bit disturbed in the head... Most of this was probably a cold war political game too. I really don't know.

Hi all

BALLS!

:eek:

In fact to be precise blue balls.

Kind regards walker

Hmm that's very interesting and I would sure like to experience that or see the blue balls myself. But I think that the explanation isn't UFO's, but rather some kind of chemical that transformed in to this jelly substance in the right conditions, flew with the clouds and rained down... The article talks about this theory too at the end.

"I thought it could have been some kind of atmospheric pollution like a chemical that has been released into the atmosphere, got sucked into a storm cloud and solidified and then released in droplets with the hail stones. Ideally I'd like to get them chemically analysed to find out what they consist of."

My friend told me a couple of days ago that apparently it rained baby fish somewhere in Australia and that this phenomenon is caused by eggs or little fish getting sucked up in a tornado and then falling down to the ground, or something like that… So maybe a similar thing happened with these blue balls. The only way to know is to check out what they're made out of.

[-Snafu- 77]

Absolutely the biggest expert on aliens :D

for those that dont know that is Giorgio A. Tsoukalos from a History channel show called Ancient Aliens which is a very interesting watch (a bit cooky sometimes) both historically and intellectually (raises a lot of very interesting points). Be warned: only for open-minded people :)

It's a show that's meant to be funny, amusing and entertaining - nothing more. The History Channel stopped being a channel about History years ago, now, it's just another entertainment channel.

Edited February 1, 2012 by Snafu

[STALKERGB 6]

It's a show that's meant to be funny, amusing and entertaining - nothing more. The History Channel stopped being a channel about History years ago, now, it's just another entertainment channel.

Saying that, I love UFO Hunters, not because the show revealed anything, but it was an enjoyable watch! :)

As SA says, Ancient Aliens is quite interesting if you sift through the BS that is in there.

Gotta love Gorgio though! Oh that HAIR!

[vilas 473]

hmmm...

i remind myself one sentence from one noblist (physics or math)

guy said:

what is possibility that there is life in the space ?

what is possibility that there is similar solar system ? maybe 1 per bilion

what is possibility that there is similar planet in such solar system ? maybe 1 per bilion

what is possibility that on such planet there is life , maybe 1 per bilion

but now let's count/multiply it by number of stars

so ? what will be mathematical probability if you will count for example 1^10e-30 by 1^10e+31 ? ;)

hehe

it is mathematical point of view

another funny sentence:

if aliens are really more intelligent than people than now we know why they do not want to meet us :D

but if aliens not exist, than we have to be ... created by god ?

so god must exist ? also heaven and hell? in this at least i doubt looking at evil unpunished on earth and dying children on cancer while some gangsters live in wealth,

cause it is highly impossible that we appeared just like that if there was no other life in space

i would not want to meet any alien (unless it is shaped like beauty woman and is sex-obsessed) but ...

as engineer i believe in math and physics and ... probability, otherwise i would have to believe in god , which should had to be sadist looking at suffering on earth

if god existed, our life would look like porno movie without any work and duties (just have fun, take all easy, no hurry, no competition, Paris Hilton-like kids may believe in gods ;) )

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Edited February 2, 2012 by vilas

[max power 21]

but if aliens not exist, than we have to be ... created by god ?

Sounds like black and white thinking. I think there are a lot of possibilities and those two possibilities themselves are no mutually exclusive. I often wonder if those percent chances of life on other worlds is really representative of any actual situation.

[maddogx 13]

what is possibility that there is similar solar system ? maybe 1 per bilion

what is possibility that there is similar planet in such solar system ? maybe 1 per bilion

Considering the latest discoveries of extrasolar planets, these "guesses" seem way off. Even with our limited technology we have discovered quite a few rocky planets, several of which are estimated to be in or around their parent star's habitable zone.

So it seems that Earth may not be so unique after all.

what is possibility that on such planet there is life , maybe 1 per bilion

This is debatable. On the one hand, the conditions for life as we know it to come into being seem very specific and unlikely, but on the other hand life always seems to find ways to adapt. Just look at some of the extremophiles on Earth, like bacteria living in tiny water bubbles in frozen ice, or animals that have adapted to live without needing light or even oxygen.

[vilas 473]

just seen this:

Well it can go both ways really, either really primitive or miles ahead of us. We have achieved extraordinary things in the last 100 years, imagine what we could do in a 1000. Just imagine how our world would be like today if religion didnt exist. Perhaps we could have been to the moon a 1000 years ago.

i can imagine how would like , one word: horrible

why ?

people need religions, to have morality

without religions how our world would look like ?

mix of sparta and XIX century capitalism and Hitler and work-camp like USSR had

religions make rules like "don't kill, don't steal, don't lie"

but stealing and killing and lying is first activity of those who have profits and "rule the world" and first rule of "progress"

i am against progress if there is too much suffering (or slave-like work)

i'd rather live in ultra-religious in society in which "criminal is punished" (not free because he had good lawyer and judge took bribe ) than in world of "robots which are obey to work and can be killed any moment if not efficient enough"

thanx to religions our life is "worthy" cause religion believes in dignity of life

not in "economical efficiency"

i am human, not robot

i work cause i have to pay for food, electricity, goods

i don't live to work,

efficiency and religions are in conflict, so i choose religion instead of soulless economy ;]

economy would shoot people who are "to expensive" like some disabled people who "do not make profits"

morality was born in human history thax to religions , animals do not have it

Edited February 2, 2012 by vilas

[maddogx 13]

Bullshit. I'm an atheist to the core and would not consider myself amoral at all, thank you very much.

It is entirely possible for society to develop morals and codes of conduct without religion.

Not to forget that some of the darkest periods in history were caused by religious fanaticism and superstition.

Edited February 2, 2012 by MadDogX

[ArmAriffic 10]

Bullshit. I'm an atheist to the core and would not consider myself amoral at all, thank you very much.

+1 I'm atheist and there is nothing wrong with me

[vilas 473]

not bullshit

if "profit" becomes to be "god" than people (majority) do anything to get profit bigger

have you looked at number of immoral acts in society (so called usual people) when religion level falls down ?

cause i can observe it in my country very well

economic efficiency and profit makes people:

- lie much more,

- steal, cheat much more,

because society do not feel "that they do something wrong, what's wrong if i have more money on bank account"

but do they think "how i get more money than neighbor?"

It is entirely possible for society to develop morals and codes of conduct without religion.

how society who wants progress in economy will develop following rules:

- do not lie (how it is in area of marketing, sales, commercial breaks, advocates) ?

- do not kill (wars for oil ? sending troops cause in other country won candidate who want to quit "our" companies)

- help weak (deadly ill people, disabled people, cancer treatment, expensive surgery operations)

???

it is not economically profitable, so how you want such rules to be set by society who believe in "gold" ?

for many liberals "what is not giving profit is bad, let's kill all disabled, let's kill all weak, let's kill all not able to work" - sounds like Sparta or Hitler , USSR also had "work camps" and many things built by forced to work slaves

do you believe that humans without religion would built world without killing weak ? or similar to animals where weak is killed , in our Christian morality weak must be helped (and it born socialist ideas)

remember that society is not only you, but also some group of not too wise people, who live "mainstream" "following leaders" etc.

for them religion is necessary, cause they will do anything bad for profit (if they not afraid of hell, without promise of heaven they will not be good, cause "what for, it not gives economical profit" )

to rule people you need religions, otherwise they won't obey and they will take away your goods when you will be weak or ill

Edited February 2, 2012 by vilas

[walker 0]

Hi all

Anyone who bases their argument on an imaginary friend can not be reasoned with and by the same reason cannot understand science.

Kind regards walker