America only first on the moon because of foreign help?

[Tonci87 163]

Well I stumbled upon a newspaper article that also reffered to this:

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If this is true, then it would explain A LOT of things regarding the friendship between America and the SFRJ.

I would also explain why Tito was gifted a stone from the moon by the Apollo Astronauts.

[onlyrazor 11]

Yeah, I saw a documentary a couple of weeks ago about the US buying the Yugoslav space program. Interesting stuff.

[soul_assassin 1750]

Eeerrrr, all of the US space program was foreign. USA had no home grown minds in the field whatsoever. Americans went to the moon foremost because of Nazis, that they let get away with their crimes.

[rye1 22]

It was actually the Australians that helped them. We got over 1,000 kangaroo's jump in a scientific lab which harvested their energies and put it into putting the rocket up there.

[PELHAM 10]

Hmmmm docudrama? Operational Space program? Saturn 5 rockets and command modules built in Yugoslavia?

Well it all makes sense to me. I guess that is why Yugoslavia is still the best in space technology today and are well known for it. New footage has emerged of a secret test of their space shuttle:

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Yes typical of the Americans to rely on so many foreigners in their space program, it's well known that they did not have the manufacturing capability or any scientists of the right calibre. Looking on the internet I have found evidence that Neil Armstrong's real name is Nili Aremovic a former Major in the Yugoslav airforce. In contrast, the space program of the USSR was completely indigenous and did not include help from any captured german scientists or technical documents at all.

Edited January 15, 2012 by PELHAM

[maturin 12]

I was going along with the video in the OP until the end. They claim that Yugoslavia gave the U.S. the key to our space program, which is one thing, and then they act like in return the U.S. drafted policies that underpinned the Yugoslav economy. Well, that's not the reason Tito went from partisan to wealthy head of state, and the video starts to smack of oversimplification. And that sort of docu-drama thrives of intimating more than it actually proves, teasing with exaggerated stories and inflating the importance of details.

I'm sure it's a fascinating and accurate look at the Yugoslavian space program, though.

[Tonci87 163]

LOL I would like to see that Top Gear episode!

OT:

Was there any other Socialist country that got so much help from america?

Why was Tito invited several times to the US and had the chance to get a guided tour of the US Space programm?

And why the heck did those astronauts gift him a stone from the moon?

Regarding Object 505:

Object 505 was a secret underground air force base that could withstand a nuclear impact. It was almost completely destroyed when the JNA detonated 56 tonns of explosives in the tunnels during their retreat in the last balkan war. Object 505 is located at the croatian-bosnian border near Bihac. It is the most expensive object that was destroyed during the war.

I also don´t like how the author of the movie oversimplifies everything but maybe there is still some truth in this story.

BTW: Croatians invented many things:

Nikola Tesla: Invented too much to list here

Croatian mercenaries: The Tie

Penkala invented the fountain pen, the ballpoint pen and the thermos bottle

Double Entry Bookkeeping

The parachute

Forensic medicine

The Blimp

The Torpedo

National health insurance

Maglite Lamps

MP3

The electric bulb

Vegeta Spice (Seriously, best spice mixture ever!)

and many more.

Small country but big inventions.

Seriously, we are awesome :p

Edited January 15, 2012 by Tonci87

[PELHAM 10]

The US gave around 250 samples of moon rock as gifts to many countries and heads of state, including many socialist nations. There was a close link between Tito and the west because we all fought on the same side during WW2 and he was portrayed as a hero in the western press. I think the close relationship started there and continued to lessen Soviet military influence in that part of Europe.

I would speculate that the Yugoslavs may have given the US some scientific research papers that may or may not have been helpfull. The rest is probably nonsense. Convenient that 505 is nothing but rubble now isn't it?

[soul_assassin 1750]

Hmmmm docudrama? Operational Space program? Saturn 5 rockets and command modules built in Yugoslavia?

Have you seen the movie? Do you have some kind of degree in space history? You shouldnt dismiss something just as you shouldnt accept it at face value.

Your further argument is just one big fallacy.

Well it all makes sense to me. I guess that is why Yugoslavia is still the best in space technology today and are well known for it. New footage has emerged of a secret test of their space shuttle:

Yes typical of the Americans to rely on so many foreigners in their space program, it's well known that they did not have the manufacturing capability or any scientists of the right calibre. Looking on the internet I have found evidence that Neil Armstrong's real name is Nili Aremovic a former Major in the Yugoslav airforce.

Straw man anyone?

In contrast, the space program of the USSR was completely indigenous and did not include help from any captured german scientists or technical documents at all.

Or a little Tu quoque for breakfast?

[Nicholas 5]

Does it matter how the United States accomplished it's mission? We were still first on the moon!

It doesn't matter how you accomplish your task, as long as you successfully complete it.

Edited January 15, 2012 by Nicholas

[jagheterjan 10]

Britain won the race to the moon, end of story.

[Nicholas 5]

Britain won the race to the moon, end of story.

Ohhh, it's been so long since I visited Uncyclopedia. I'm not really a fan of it, most of it is disgusting crap, but some of the stuff is funny.

Scene 62: The Lunar Surface

The landing module of 'Heart of Oak' collided with the moon's surface with a jolt. Clouds of dust filled the viewing screen. Its two inhabitants breathed heavily and unfastened their safety harness.

Lambert-Simnel - "Well, this is it, Tubs. I'm going to open the door."

Warbeck - "Yes. Did you bring the cricket ball, Duckie? I rather fancy being the first man to bowl a chinaman on the moon."

Lambert-Simnel - "Capital idea. Now, who goes first?"

Warbeck - "After you, Ducks, you're the ranking officer."

Lambert-Simnel - "That's decent of you, Tubs. Do you suppose Heaven will look like this?"

Warbeck - "I don't know but don't forget the flag. If this is Heaven at least we know God will be pleased to see us. He is an Englishman, after all."

[PELHAM 10]

Have you seen the movie? Do you have some kind of degree in space history? You shouldnt dismiss something just as you shouldnt accept it at face value.

Your further argument is just one big fallacy.

Straw man anyone?

Or a little Tu quoque for breakfast?

It's a joke son! PS that Yugoslavian space shuttle isn't real either (Top Gear UK).

They allege that the Saturn 5 and Apollo command module were mainly manufactured in Yugoslavia whilst showing pictures of Soyuz rockets? It's yet more viral internet hoaxery and it's easily dismissed because it's obviously utter nonsense.

Here is a picture of some technicians from the well known Yugoslav company Boeing working on Saturn 5 assembly:

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/apolloprogram/images/32961/boeing-techinicians-work-on-saturn-v-rocket.jpg

Here is the Saturn 5 under construction at the Michoud Assembly Facility in New Orleans (Could be a suburb of Dubrovnic I'm not sure about that one):

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/apolloprogram/images/32964/46-acre-michoud-assembley-plant.jpg

Command module construction at North American Aviations Downey Plant in California:

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/media/apolloprogram/images/32956/shield-installation-preparation.jpg

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America also bought the Zambian Space Program!

In this video Zambian Astronaughts can be seen in training and working on initial assembly of Saturn 5 parts purchased from Yugoslavia.

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[STALKERGB 6]

Does it matter how the United States accomplished it's mission? We were still first on the moon!

May be an idealist on the issue but I prefer to view it as "Man" having visited the moon, the fact they were from the US is neither here nor there when the cold war macho-ness is taken out of it.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Straw man anyone?

We should make a drinking game out of this.

[soul_assassin 1750]

Does it matter how the United States accomplished it's mission? We were still first on the moon!

whenever i hear this, the following image always comes to mind:

:D

[jblackrupert 14]

Eeerrrr, all of the US space program was foreign. USA had no home grown minds in the field whatsoever. Americans went to the moon foremost because of Nazis, that they let get away with their crimes.

This

Same with the Stealth fighter/Bomber programs.

German scientists/Engineers were given a choice between jail or a paycheck from the US Government.

Edited January 15, 2012 by jblackrupert

[Hans Ludwig 0]

This

Same with the Stealth fighter/Bomber programs.

German scientists/Engineers were given a choice between jail or a paycheck from the US Government.

I'm glade they took the paycheck. Whatever von Braun supposedly did is of no concern to me.

[Nicholas 5]

Haha, I was just kidding. People only seem to see the bad, never the good.

Edited January 16, 2012 by Nicholas

[Beagle 684]

Wernher von Braun went to the same school on Spikeroog as I did 60 years later, he got kicked premature from school for playing with exlosives a bit too often ;) later it was said he was granted the matura premature because of good performance, but that not the full truth.

Edited January 15, 2012 by Beagle

[rangerpl 13]

As much as I like Yugoslavia, this simply can't be true. There is evidence that Saturn rockets were built in the United States. There's evidence that the CSM/LM was built in the United States. Perhaps some Yugoslavian technology was used in the program, but it's extremely improbable that a country devastated by war, lacking significant economic resources could have done all of this so easily.

Apollo cost the American taxpayers the equivalent of $135 billion in today's dollars. That's an expense that would be hard to make in the US even today, and yet it is expected that Yugoslavia could have done the same in secrecy.

It's possible that Herman PotoÄnik had an influence on Robert Goddard, Vernher Von Braun and Sergei Korolev but it's impossible that Yugoslavia "sold" its whole space program to the Americans.

Edited January 16, 2012 by RangerPL

[dmarkwick 261]

As much as I like Yugoslavia, this simply can't be true. There is evidence that Saturn rockets were built in the United States. There's evidence that the CSM/LM was built in the United States. Perhaps some Yugoslavian technology was used in the program, but it's extremely improbable that a country devastated by war, lacking significant economic resources could have done all of this so easily.

Apollo cost the American taxpayers the equivalent of $135 billion in today's dollars. That's an expense that would be hard to make in the US even today, and yet it is expected that Yugoslavia could have done the same in secrecy.

It's possible that Herman PotoÄnik had an influence on Robert Goddard, Vernher Von Braun and Sergei Korolev but it's impossible that Yugoslavia "sold" its whole space program to the Americans.

I don't think the idea is that Yugoslavia paid their way through their role. IMO the space race as performed by the USA is akin to a department manager saying his department won X race. That department can be made up of any resource, including outside resource. But I guess the core facts are: US money, US territory, US astronauts, US flag.

[Tonci87 163]

whenever i hear this, the following image always comes to mind:

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/3209/1689520700b.th.jpg

:d

^this

[rangerpl 13]

^this

Except the US did a lot more than the Soviets. In fact, the Soviet space station and other things were developed BECAUSE the Russians knew they weren't going to be first to land on the moon.

Other US achievements:

-First space rendezvous (Gemini VII/Gemini VI)

-First space docking (Gemini VIII)

-First three-man crew (Apollo 7)

-First flight of a manned vehicle which could not reenter the atmosphere (Apollo 9)

-First time humans left the Earth's gravitational Sphere of Influence (Apollo 8)

-First time humans orbited another celestial body (Apollo 8)

And, since apparently post-1970s achievements count:

-Largest spacecraft crew (STS-61-A)

-Largest manned spacecraft (Space Shuttle)

-First untethered spacewalk using a jetpack (STS-41-B)

-First fully reusable spacecraft (Shuttle)

The Russians were good at picking up "firsts" but could do little else. Korolev's untimely death mean that they couldn't go the distance.

Not to mention the fact that they couldn't even launch N1 successfully.

And if you think the Russians didn't get caught up in the space race competition, think again. Days before Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, the Russian Luna 15 probe mission was used to attempt to be the first to return samples from the moon. It failed.

Edited January 16, 2012 by RangerPL

[b101_uk 10]

-First flight of a manned vehicle which could not reenter the atmosphere (Apollo 9)

-First time humans left the Earth's gravitational Sphere of Influence (Apollo 8)

-Largest spacecraft crew (STS-61-A)

-Largest manned spacecraft (Space Shuttle)

so how did they renter the atmosphere then!!!!!!!!!!! :p

Earth's gravitational Sphere of Influence extends well beyond the orbit of the moon, as it’s what helps keep the moon where it is or the moon would have gone flying off into space long before life was on earth.

Largest spacecraft crew was Mir + STS-71, as Mir was still in space both before and after STS-71 arrived/left you would have to put Mir first. (was also at the time the largest effective spacecraft by docking the two together) or ISS, Soyuz TMA-14, Soyuz TMA-15, STS-127 with 13 people on 17 July 2009

The largest manned spacecraft is the ISS and NOT the Space Shuttle.

i hardly think e.g. the "First three-man crew" can be held as anything like the first man/woman in space or the first men on the moon etc etc etc etc etc, what next are you going to claim the USA had the first man in space to fart.

Edited January 16, 2012 by b101_uk