God

[IsthatyouJohnWayne 0]

Denoir- i still maintain that i was right

but i cant be bothered

Bah-

Tim Henman just lost at Wimbledon (tennis)

the last English mens singles finalist at Wimbledon was over 50 years ago

Well if you want something done properly......

i guess ill have to add winning Wimbledon as well as coaching England in the next World Cup and negotiating peace in the middle east to my list of things to do

[EveronVetsAgainstTheWar 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hardliner @ July 05 2002,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe Hitler was on to something I don't know<span id='postcolor'>

A timeless quote.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ July 05 2002,18:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hardliner @ July 05 2002,12:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Maybe Hitler was on to something I don't know<span id='postcolor'>

A  timeless quote.<span id='postcolor'>

And a statement that could get Hardliner banned.

Hardliner: watch what you are posting

Edit: Make that a 24h posting restriction for Hardliner. To say that a man who killed 6 milion people of a nation might have been right is if not racist at least very bad taste.

[Sadico 1]

Saying that Hitler was right is way too much, but some israelis like Sharon seem to think that because they have been victims of the nazis they can behave like nazis to defend themselves.

[EveronVetsAgainstTheWar 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sadico @ July 05 2002,13:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Saying that Hitler was right is way too much, but some israelis like Sharon seem to think that because they have been victims of the nazis they can behave like nazis to defend themselves.<span id='postcolor'>

Indeed.

[Tracker 0]

BUT!... no differerent WHAT SO EVER to what duke of ray posted about "GOD" granting the permission to kill all arabs.. and regreting that they had not.. your comments where a little one sided dont you think? give it a year, and the US leadership will be no different, having forfilled what is told in that book of firelighter

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

God told the Hebrews to kill the people becuase they did not believe in Him. Why do I care which God you believe in? I care becuase I do not want anybody to go to Hell, I want too see you all in Heaven. The Isrealies do not act like Nazi, the Isralies are defending themselves.

[EveronVetsAgainstTheWar 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Duke_of_Ray @ July 05 2002,16:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">God told the Hebrews to kill the people becuase they did not believe in Him.<span id='postcolor'>

This from the same guy who said:

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Read the Bible, Christianity is actually a peaceful religon.<span id='postcolor'>

The inherent hypocrisy is very clear at this point.

[Sadico 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Isrealies do not act like Nazi, the Isralies are defending themselves.<span id='postcolor'>

Yes, Sharon is acting like a nazi. That punk should be in The Hague being judged like Milosevic, because the massacre he provoked in Lebanom in 1982 (i think it was that year, not sure), and because of what he is doing right now. Suicide bomber kills one person, so the israeli Army goes into Palestina and kills 10-20? That's not even "an eye for an eye", that's "if you hit me in the eye i break your legs with a baseball bat and then put a hand grenade through your ass and kill your family and neighbours"!

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Read the Bible, Christianity is actually a peaceful religon.

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The inherent hypocrisy is very clear at this point.

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Yep

[Guest]

Keep the mid east topics in the mid east thread or this thread will be closed.

[Sadico 1]

ok

[WKK Gimbal 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ July 05 2002,19:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sadico @ July 05 2002,13:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Saying that Hitler was right is way too much, but some israelis like Sharon seem to think that because they have been victims of the nazis they can behave like nazis to defend themselves.<span id='postcolor'>

Indeed.<span id='postcolor'>

Yeah. Their "Innocense Mandate" is running out fast.

Edit: Doh, didn't see Denoir's post before posting this.

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (WKK Gimbal @ July 05 2002,23:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Edit: Doh, didn't see Denoir's post before posting this.<span id='postcolor'>

Are you disrespecting my authori-tah?!?

[ale2999 0]

Well, I would like to say sometin as I notice that majority of the people doesnt know. Duke or I never said that religion is right so its worthless that guys point to the mistakes made by religion (crusades, persecutions etc), becuz religious is made from earthly ppl. I could stay in my house the whole life and still get to heaven (if I believe Jesus notwithstanding). I have questions too that I will ask God when I will see him , many concepts are ungraspable for humans, so in those cases I just use faith. I dont know if war its right, but I think I would defend my country even thoe that implies taking away another human being. God is unprovable by human means so there is really no point. U either believe in Him or not. Those who do have sometin called faith, those who dont are called unbelievers, lost, etc. So we can argue till we get to page 999 but we will not come to an agreement LOL

[EveronVetsAgainstTheWar 1]

Ale, I encourage you to actually read the posts in this thread, not just scimming or completely ignoring which it seems you are doing. ALL Duke has done is say how right Christianity is. Do you really not see that?

[Frisbee 0]

well,if religion has ever done something good it has served its purpose,only good thing i can think of is setting moral standards

but censorship,crusades,corruptness at the top,religious wars.... so much negative stuff

religion has(is) keeping people dumb and blind,keeping them to be good by promises of the eternal afterlife of bliss which will follow if you smile,nod and do everything they tel you,so they can sit in their palaces enjoying an orgy of some kind,it's ridiculous

'ni dieu, ni maitre'

[Guest]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ July 06 2002,00:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">God is unprovable by human means so there is really no point. U either believe in Him or not. Those who do have sometin called faith, those who dont are called unbelievers, lost, etc. So we can argue till we get to page 999 but we will not come to an agreement LOL<span id='postcolor'>

I salute you for that statement ale. A very good conclusion.

My suggestion is that we leave that topic alone and let the thread fade away in dignity...

[Frisbee 0]

i agree,i've had this discussion with all of my morals teachers,and a lot of people besides of that

well put ale

[Duke_of_Ray 0]

I guess it would be better just to let this thread fade out. I have told ya about Jesus, so I have done my job. Oh yea Christianity is a peaceful religon, the penalty of sin is death, and those people would not belive in God so He had them killed. Well maybe this shall end soon.

[ale2999 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ July 06 2002,01:03)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ale, I encourage you to actually read the posts in this thread, not just scimming or completely ignoring which it seems you are doing.  ALL Duke has done is say how right Christianity is.  Do you really not see that?<span id='postcolor'>

I read all of it and I am not scimming duke, I would never. I agree totally with him, I think u misread my post. We as Christian have done our job telling u the truth, now its up to u guys to grasp it..... I was just trying to go back into the unbeliever logic and tell them what the deal is about proofing the existence of God. I believe in God and I am His son

[Shabadu 0]

I think ale's statement is both true and obvious. If you beleive in god you have to appreciate that those who do not, don't wish to be convinced that S/he/it does.

The only reason most of these religions involve convincing others to beleive is so that they are easier to control. This was the simplest way of taking over a population. I mean just look at that famous pagan festival held around the winter solstice, what's it called again, oh yeah Christmas.

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (denoir @ July 06 2002,01:38)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ale2999 @ July 06 2002,00:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">God is unprovable by human means so there is really no point. U either believe in Him or not. Those who do have sometin called faith, those who dont are called unbelievers, lost, etc. So we can argue till we get to page 999 but we will not come to an agreement LOL<span id='postcolor'>

I salute you for that statement ale. A very good conclusion.

My suggestion is that we leave that topic alone and let the thread fade away in dignity...<span id='postcolor'>

That seemed like a good idea to me.

[EveronVetsAgainstTheWar 1]

They have said without budging that Christianity is a peaceful religion, I have posted exerpts that disprove that. An argument is about proving and disproving. It's not about saying "I'm right, you're wrong, I don't need proof, I believe I'm right. You're going to hell!"

[Paratrooper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ July 08 2002,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They have said without budging that Christianity is a peaceful religion, I have posted exerpts that disprove that.  An argument is about proving and disproving.  It's not about saying "I'm right, you're wrong, I don't need proof, I believe I'm right.  You're going to hell!"<span id='postcolor'>

Christianity is a religion of peace, if Christians do violent things this doesn't change their religion. Man is violent, Christ is not.

[Shabadu 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Paratrooper @ July 08 2002,16:18)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (residuum @ July 08 2002,16:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">They have said without budging that Christianity is a peaceful religion, I have posted exerpts that disprove that.  An argument is about proving and disproving.  It's not about saying "I'm right, you're wrong, I don't need proof, I believe I'm right.  You're going to hell!"<span id='postcolor'>

Christianity is a religion of peace, if Christians do violent things this doesn't change their religion. Man is violent, Christ is not.<span id='postcolor'>

How can you(general) claim to be christian and yet do violent things? There are very few people that follow the fullest extent of their religion, which in my opinion is hypocritical( if that's a word), I think the only people that truly take the full extent of their belief seriously are the likes of tibetan monks.