Black Shark 2 Upgrade/Patch is out!

[Beagle 684]

^this

There are so many annoying bugs in BS1 that should have been fixed for free!

Example: Left engine Sound isn´t played when right engine Sound plays.

Search light and other Lights don´t illuminate the terrain above a certain heigh, and many more

I found even more ;)

There ar emore than 20 and even not the half got fixed in BS2. Well BS2 has new bugs instead...namely A-10 bugs.

[Tonci87 163]

I found even more ;)

There ar emore than 20 and even not the half got fixed in BS2. Well BS2 has new bugs instead...namely A-10 bugs.

Oh really? I´m not surprised.....

[bangtail 0]

Yep with the announcement that they are going to be charging for FC3 (essentially the same game for a 3rd time), I am now done with Eagle Dynamics.

If they feel they aren't making enough money, they should charge more for the initial product but support should be free.

Despite their attempts at justifying their actions, putting a different number at the end of a title (when you are repackaging the previous game) is dishonest and implies that it is an entirely new game. I gave them the benefit of the doubt with BS 2.0 but that was the last product I will be buying from them.

Too many devs are overstepping the line in pursuit of the almighty [insert your currency here]. I'm all for these people being properly compensated for their work but ED is taking this too far IMHO and I'll be voting with my wallet.

What would happen if 'ArmA 2' was rebadged 'ArmA 3' just because they added grass (assuming it wasn't there already), graphical enhancements, bug fixes etc. It's a rhetorical question as we all know what would happen :rolleyes:

Edited November 23, 2011 by BangTail

[Tonci87 163]

BIS would loose most of its customers in no time. I also wont buy new products from ED until they change their behaviour.

[4 IN 1 0]

Doesn't matter, ED still have enough mindless sheep to greed on.

[nodunit 397]

Oh thats easy, the forums would become a battleground of mobs with torches and pitch forks, I mean when we gripe and such while we LIKE the product and devs just imagine what would happen when all that turns sour..a busy time for the moderators indeed.

[max power 21]

Yes. I rue the day when general forum unrest turns a fun thing like banning into a chore. :(

[IanLobo 10]

There are alternatives. Flaming Cliffs 2 and the compatible DCS:Blackshark are still running pretty well.

For the online crowd the "update" is indeed only grass Layer and overdone HDR bloom...and new bugs.

I think I will have a Look at Cliffs of Dover too...give it a one or two patches and it will be playable too.

Here is a discussion excerpt from ED Forums that summarized why the BS2 sucks...With BS2 any support for BS1 stops.

Hi guys, just found this thread after joining up to speak about Take on Helicopters, however can I just say something.

I am Cowboy10uk over at the DCS forums as well as many others, sadly this forum wouldn't let me register hat name for some reason.

I see you have used my question as a example of why BS2 sucks, nothing could be further from the truth, yes I was disappointed at first that BS1 wouldn't get all the bugs fixed, however to be realistic they hadnt realised how hard it would be to intergrate, BS1 with A10.

Now I did purchase and upgrade to BS2, and I for one Do Not feel for one moment I have been conned. BS2 is a great edition to the DCS hanger and flying it with A10 is stunning.

While I agree the way it was announced to us all, could have one with some work, it is certainly worth the money. In this day and age, we have to appreciate that sometimes we will have to pay extra for continued support, it's the only way to keep our niche sim makers going.

I will also be purchasing combined arms when it comes out.

Likewise I purchase all ROF aircraft, not because I fly them all but because I support the genre.

[Insanatrix 0]

The biggest thing that bugged me about it is that for the A-10C and all the upgrades they started with the base working engine for Black Shark meaning that all the systems were in place. It just seems to me that the compatibility would still be there IF they wanted to keep it there. It's there now isn't it and it was there before right?

To me it was like halfway through they thought " Why are we going to give our customers something for free when we can just charge them for the same thing over and over again". It also wouldn't have been quite as bad if they had been up front about it. It's like one day there's a post from Wags about Black Shark 2 and I'm like wtf is BS2? I've experienced lots of bugs in BS1 and I actually had to get a refund for it because it stopped working and would constantly crash with my newer video card. Now I need to pay to get it to work?

I would be happy sticking with BS1, IF it would have ran, because you can put all the HDR in the world, sharp textures and models that you never see when you are actually flying and not swapping around in F2 and it doesn't make up for the horrible tree, building, ground textures and tiling. The only useful thing to me in BS2 is the sharper cockpit and the cockpit shadows. I would much rather have a more immersive ground environment.

Then you have this battlefield commander mode that is supposedly comming out. It was there in the beta and then was supposedly taken out due to contractual agreements. Now it's coming back as a pay for addon, Nevada as well. I'm sure they figured people would rage about Nevada being pay for when it was in the beta because it was a big selling point so they decided to give pre orders free access to it.

I don't think anyone has really said that ED doesn't need to be paid for their work as is the common misconception over this. The question really is what is worth it and what is not and what has been sold to you or licensed to you for use and what has not been.

I'm also tired of hearing this whole niche sim market as a justification for a companies actions. Just the sheer fact that you need to justify their actions in the first place says there is something wrong. I wouldn't exactly call BI's market mainstream yet they still keep their support strong and their ties with the community strong. Hell they released a patch for OFP and that game is years old. We get like 2-3 patches for DCS Black Shark and there's still tons of bugs and problems and then we have to pay to upgrade to the "New" Black Shark. I don't have much trust in their statement that they will find a better solution because their solutions have been downhill so far.

[Tonci87 163]

The biggest thing that bugged me about it is that for the A-10C and all the upgrades they started with the base working engine for Black Shark meaning that all the systems were in place. It just seems to me that the compatibility would still be there IF they wanted to keep it there. It's there now isn't it and it was there before right?

To me it was like halfway through they thought " Why are we going to give our customers something for free when we can just charge them for the same thing over and over again". It also wouldn't have been quite as bad if they had been up front about it. It's like one day there's a post from Wags about Black Shark 2 and I'm like wtf is BS2? I've experienced lots of bugs in BS1 and I actually had to get a refund for it because it stopped working and would constantly crash with my newer video card. Now I need to pay to get it to work?

I would be happy sticking with BS1, IF it would have ran, because you can put all the HDR in the world, sharp textures and models that you never see when you are actually flying and not swapping around in F2 and it doesn't make up for the horrible tree, building, ground textures and tiling. The only useful thing to me in BS2 is the sharper cockpit and the cockpit shadows. I would much rather have a more immersive ground environment.

Then you have this battlefield commander mode that is supposedly comming out. It was there in the beta and then was supposedly taken out due to contractual agreements. Now it's coming back as a pay for addon, Nevada as well. I'm sure they figured people would rage about Nevada being pay for when it was in the beta because it was a big selling point so they decided to give pre orders free access to it.

I don't think anyone has really said that ED doesn't need to be paid for their work as is the common misconception over this. The question really is what is worth it and what is not and what has been sold to you or licensed to you for use and what has not been.

I'm also tired of hearing this whole niche sim market as a justification for a companies actions. Just the sheer fact that you need to justify their actions in the first place says there is something wrong. I wouldn't exactly call BI's market mainstream yet they still keep their support strong and their ties with the community strong. Hell they released a patch for OFP and that game is years old. We get like 2-3 patches for DCS Black Shark and there's still tons of bugs and problems and then we have to pay to upgrade to the "New" Black Shark. I don't have much trust in their statement that they will find a better solution because their solutions have been downhill so far.

This. Why didn´t they patch out some of the very annoying bugs they introduced in BS 1.2? Like the right engine sound always having priority over the left one?

[onlyrazor 11]

You know what they say... When developers charge for patches, burn their house down. With the videogames.

[raynor 0]

Doesn't matter, ED still have enough mindless sheep to greed on.

So did Codemasters series of products. Once enough people get sick of it the sheep do not outweigh the individuals who want value for money. And they have the benefit of a multi-platform release.

Hi guys, just found this thread after joining up to speak about Take on Helicopters, however can I just say something.

I am Cowboy10uk over at the DCS forums as well as many others, sadly this forum wouldn't let me register hat name for some reason.

I see you have used my question as a example of why BS2 sucks, nothing could be further from the truth, yes I was disappointed at first that BS1 wouldn't get all the bugs fixed, however to be realistic they hadnt realised how hard it would be to intergrate, BS1 with A10.

Now I did purchase and upgrade to BS2, and I for one Do Not feel for one moment I have been conned. BS2 is a great edition to the DCS hanger and flying it with A10 is stunning.

While I agree the way it was announced to us all, could have one with some work, it is certainly worth the money. In this day and age, we have to appreciate that sometimes we will have to pay extra for continued support, it's the only way to keep our niche sim makers going.

I will also be purchasing combined arms when it comes out.

Likewise I purchase all ROF aircraft, not because I fly them all but because I support the genre.

I see how you can react nonchalantly to having support dropped for Blackshark as you have Blackshark 2 but for the rest of us that won't be paying money to get patch support it's equivalent to buying a beta DCS product and never getting an update again until the full version comes out which has to be paid for again to access the full product.

In that way BS2 really doesn't suck. ED does and if they continue down the path they are started on they will continue to lose an otherwise loyal customer base.

[Tonci87 163]

So did Codemasters series of products. Once enough people get sick of it the sheep do not outweigh the individuals who want value for money. And they have the benefit of a multi-platform release.

I see how you can react nonchalantly to having support dropped for Blackshark as you have Blackshark 2 but for the rest of us that won't be paying money to get patch support it's equivalent to buying a beta DCS product and never getting an update again until the full version comes out which has to be paid for again to access the full product.

In that way BS2 really doesn't suck. ED does and if they continue down the path they are started on they will continue to lose an otherwise loyal customer base.

And this!

You have choosen the right words, its not BS or BS2 that suck, its ED

[frederf 0]

We all should have gotten the hint big time when the first DCS "module" came out that wasn't a separate install for the DCS world and the first aircraft module. That should have been red flags and ringing alarm bells. "They don't understand modular architecture, or don't care, or won't ever try."

How you make a modular system is have a standalone environment, probably release it for free to maximize your mission-making base, and then sell the aircraft modules, even maps.

But you continue to support the core environment, releasing it as the tech improves.