China's Aircraft Carrier starts Sea Trials

[eble 3]

Found this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-14470882

The 300m (990ft) carrier has been one of China's worst-kept secrets, analysts say

The Chinese navy's first aircraft carrier has begun its sea trials, the state-run Xinhua news agency has said.

It quoted military sources as saying that the refitted former Soviet warship left its shipyard in the north-east and the trial "would not take a long time".

The move is likely to raise fresh concerns over China's rapid military build-up.

[slatts 1978]

what planes are they going to use? home made or imports?

[da12thMonkey 1943]

I believe they plan on using the Shenyang J-15, an unlicensed Chinese copy of the Sukhoi Su-33 (Flanker-D).

[FKPLACE 10]

I don't believe something which I don't know well. Even PLA is still making trials to see what would be suitable for their future aircraft carriers. Nothing could be taken for certain now. But one thing could be definite. PLA will use their own aircrafts instead of imported one.

[Prydain 1]

Maybe we could sell them our two useless carriers and ask the French if they want to sell theirs in the same deal? Three CVF for our Sino friends would solve the hole we have in our procurement so we can get more frigates.

[rangerpl 13]

Cute.

The Varyag was bought from Ukraine under the agreement that it wouldn't be converted to military use.

[SWAT_BigBear 0]

If theirs fails, they can repo a few of ours. :butbut:

ofcourse this is a joke, so don't start

[dysta 10]

Well, who knows that Varvag used for, since military is all about secrets, don't we all? (even they did leak some of the info to the internet, doesn't mean it's official until the government had announced about it.)

Anyway, about this AC, there's a player already re-textured Gnat's Kuznetsov and Su-33 as PLA Navy's in ARMA2. Not sure if he'll going to release it or not, but I'm sure someone will up for it for the gaming community or something.

[FKPLACE 10]

Maybe we could sell them our two useless carriers and ask the French if they want to sell theirs in the same deal? Three CVF for our Sino friends would solve the hole we have in our procurement so we can get more frigates.

No one needs such rubbish in China. Definitely, PLA would be able to make their own real carriers very soon. Now the second-hand vessel is only used for training and trials before the new one comes in.

[dmarkwick 261]

Cute.

The Varyag was bought from Ukraine under the agreement that it wouldn't be converted to military use.

I might suggest there's something wrong with the process that tries to sell an aircraft carrier for non-military purposes, to a country known for rapidly building up it's military abilities :)

As if that process didn't have "fail" written all over it right from the very beginning. :D

[icebreakr 3101]

Varyag got to China under pretention that they will use it as a floating casino @ Macao :)

[dmarkwick 261]

Varyag got to China under pretention that they will use it as a floating casino @ Macao :)

Got to hand it to the Chinese, they're great poker players.

[Prydain 1]

No one needs such rubbish in China. Definitely, PLA would be able to make their own real carriers very soon. Now the second-hand vessel is only used for training and trials before the new one comes in.

What? You do know that the CVF are under construction right?

[rangerpl 13]

I might suggest there's something wrong with the process that tries to sell an aircraft carrier for non-military purposes, to a country known for rapidly building up it's military abilities :)

As if that process didn't have "fail" written all over it right from the very beginning. :D

Well, Ukraine was strapped for cash then so they weren't really in a position to deny China that sale.

[FKPLACE 10]

Not only Ukraine but also USA, Russia, France,... all of them need cash for their crap economy. They sell weapon all around the world.

[rangerpl 13]

Not only Ukraine but also USA, Russia, France,... all of them need cash for their crap economy. They sell weapon all around the world.

The US's economy doesn't even come close to what Ukraine had experienced in the 1990s. The Ukrainian army for example, had only enough funding on hand to feed its soldiers from January to October. They were left with an 800,000 man military (remember that Ukraine was a staging area for Soviet forces in Europe), the carrier Varyag, the third largest nuclear arsenal in the world (which they disarmed and handed over to Russia), several thousand tanks, hundreds of fighters, a dozen Tu-160 bombers and all the unfinished ships like Varyag.

They couldn't maintain it all and had to sell it.

Oh, and a $2 billion carrier doesn't even come close to solving the US's economic problems. It's not that simple.

[Spokesperson 0]

So what's the benefit of "independence" ?

[dysta 10]

So what's the benefit of "independence" ?

Smaller than "alliance", but bigger than "separation". I don't think it's all about the financial, military, technology nor tactical resource benefits to maintain the government, but the very basic things like farming, social and cultural developments.

[FKPLACE 10]

So what's the benefit of "independence" ?

Maybe US got more benefits than Ukrain itself. At least, it doesn't need to worry the former big bear any more. Now the shape of bear just missing in the map.

[dysta 10]

Maybe US got more benefits than Ukrain itself. At least, it doesn't need to worry the former big bear any more. Now the shape of bear just missing in the map.

But the "paper tiger" is still exists. :j:

[FKPLACE 10]

'Paper Tiger', and the largest debtor as well, will be stepped down by orient dragon.

[Baff1 0]

Not this year it won't be.

[dysta 10]

Varyag is just like research ships from Japan, but for the Naval Aircraft instead of whales.